[opensuse-gnome] openSUSE, Compiz, NOMAD and upstreams
Hey everyone, Not sure if there is a different ML I should be posting this too. I usually see David Reveman hanging out on #opensuse-gnome so I guessed this is the right place to put this. I'm aware that openSUSE is using a branch of Compiz titled 'NOMAD' which is supposed to enhance remote-desktop usage when using compositors. This is a pretty cool project. The compiz developers spoke with David back in January about the future of compiz and merging together all the branches (Compiz 0.9, NOMAD etc). It's been a few months since then and NOMAD has seen almost _no_ development on freedesktop.org since the 30th of January or our own project infrastructure. It also seems that for the 11.2 release of openSUSE they will be planning on using the NOMAD-0.7.8 branch of compiz instead of the 0.8.* stable series with some important bugfixes. Does David, Novell or openSUSE have any intention to try to merge NOMAD upstream? It would be useful functionality to have upstream and we don't bite ;-). A few changes would be required to make it work but overall it should work with the new infrastructure we have in place with the 0.9 development series. In fact, it should be fairly easy to merge it into the 0.8.* series. If not, we don't really have much of a choice than to consider this a fork :<. Kind Regards, Sam -- Sam Spilsbury -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Sam Spilsbury
I'm aware that openSUSE is using a branch of Compiz titled 'NOMAD' which is supposed to enhance remote-desktop usage when using compositors. This is a pretty cool project. The compiz developers spoke with David back in January about the future of compiz and merging together all the branches (Compiz 0.9, NOMAD etc).
Pieces of Nomad such as xrdp, xorg-x11-server-dmx etc are dropped from 11.2 and David seems to have gone missing(again), so it does not make any sense keeping nomad branch packages in openSUSE. For 11.3 KDE4's compositing effects are now much more polished and hopefully gnome's own compositing bits would be in place making compiz redundant. While talking about development, we haven't seen compiz release in almost a year, not even a maintenance release, including new compiz will depend on how good the new release is, we wouldn't want users subjected to alpha quality compiz all over again if the current packages are doing the job well :) Cheers -J -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 12:37 PM, Jigish Gohil
On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Sam Spilsbury
I'm aware that openSUSE is using a branch of Compiz titled 'NOMAD' which is supposed to enhance remote-desktop usage when using compositors. This is a pretty cool project. The compiz developers spoke with David back in January about the future of compiz and merging together all the branches (Compiz 0.9, NOMAD etc).
Pieces of Nomad such as xrdp, xorg-x11-server-dmx etc are dropped from 11.2 and David seems to have gone missing(again), so it does not make any sense keeping nomad branch packages in openSUSE.
For 11.3 KDE4's compositing effects are now much more polished and hopefully gnome's own compositing bits would be in place making compiz redundant.
I won't enter into the gnome compositing subject. Distros are free to do what they want but I would advise that openSUSE look at what other Distros are doing with Mutter for compositing. I've been testing it extensively and while it does show promise, I'm not sure if it will be ready for 10.3
While talking about development, we haven't seen compiz release in almost a year, not even a maintenance release, including new compiz will depend on how good the new release is, we wouldn't want users subjected to alpha quality compiz all over again if the current packages are doing the job well :)
There is a 0.8.2 [1] release already out and a 0.8.4 release in the works 0.9 is the very unstable version and a 0.9.0 is almost complete in terms of the larger scale timeline. Let me know if you can get in contact with David. Kind Regards, Sam [1] http://lists.compiz-fusion.org/pipermail/community/2009-March/000185.html
Cheers
-J
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Le mercredi 07 octobre 2009, à 14:32 +0800, Sam Spilsbury a écrit :
There is a 0.8.2 [1] release already out and a 0.8.4 release in the works
(fwiw, Dominique mentioned the first thing he'd do for 11.3 is drop the nomad patch if nobody steps up and update the package to 0.8.2) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Vincent Untz
Le mercredi 07 octobre 2009, à 14:32 +0800, Sam Spilsbury a écrit :
There is a 0.8.2 [1] release already out and a 0.8.4 release in the works
(fwiw, Dominique mentioned the first thing he'd do for 11.3 is drop the nomad patch if nobody steps up and update the package to 0.8.2)
Thanks Vincent. Upstream will still evaluate nomad anyways if it looks useful, or at least, it looks useful to me. I *might* have time to update nomad to 0.8.2 (there are no api changes that are really significant that would break it in any way) but I am already strained for time. Cheers, Sam
Vincent
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David is not following this mailing list. I got in touch with him directly and, as agreed with David, I'm posting his reply below for reference.
On 10/4/2009 at 7:54, Sam Spilsbury
wrote: Hey everyone, Not sure if there is a different ML I should be posting this too. I usually see David Reveman hanging out on #opensuse-gnome so I guessed this is the right place to put this.
I'm aware that openSUSE is using a branch of Compiz titled 'NOMAD' which is supposed to enhance remote-desktop usage when using compositors. This is a pretty cool project. The compiz developers spoke with David back in January about the future of compiz and merging together all the branches (Compiz 0.9, NOMAD etc).
It's been a few months since then and NOMAD has seen almost _no_ development on freedesktop.org since the 30th of January or our own project infrastructure. It also seems that for the 11.2 release of openSUSE they will be planning on using the NOMAD-0.7.8 branch of compiz instead of the 0.8.* stable series with some important bugfixes.
Does David, Novell or openSUSE have any intention to try to merge NOMAD upstream? It would be useful functionality to have upstream and we don't bite ;-). A few changes would be required to make it work but overall it should work with the new infrastructure we have in place with the 0.9 development series. In fact, it should be fairly easy to merge it into the 0.8.* series.
If not, we don't really have much of a choice than to consider this a fork
<quote who="David Reveman"> I never got the time to merge the nomad work upstream as planned. opensuse is best to use the upstream version of compiz and abandon the nomad work for the time being. I might be able to find some time to at least merge some of the X server parts upstream soon but the compiz parts are unlikely to get my attention anytime soon. I'll start a wiki page at freedesktop.org asap with details for how all the nomad work is best merged upstream. - david </quote> Cheers, Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
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Dominique Leuenberger
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Jigish Gohil
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Sam Spilsbury
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Vincent Untz