[opensuse-gnome] Some features to implement for 11.3
Hi, Here's a list of features that I think we should try to implement for 11.3; those are mostly not-too-big tasks, so I think anybody could step up and help. This list is in no way the complete stuff. There are three categories in this list: + removing old stuff and migrating to the new "solutions" + trying to not install unneeded packages by default (that should help with the livecd size too, and so we could add more useful apps) + offering a better user experience by tweaking various small things Note that this list doesn't contain any very ambitious goal, and I'd love if people would want to work on such goals (like improving the login performance, or really solving the "install codecs in a legal way" issue). So we can discuss other goals too :-) Switch from beagle to tracker https://features.opensuse.org/307899 => Luis was working on this Empathy as default IM client https://features.opensuse.org/308281 => again :-) Can we finally just do it? archive mounter https://features.opensuse.org/308344 => really easy to implement. You can do it today, with a submission in the build service. at-spi2 by default https://features.opensuse.org/308451 => I think this is mostly implemented now, but this needs testing. Any volunteer? New notification theme https://features.opensuse.org/308457 => might be solved with the new notification-daemon release that will be out at some point: there's a new theme there (slider) that we could possibly use. Someone should investigate. Only install a recommended subset of screensavers by default https://features.opensuse.org/308474 => the hardest part is that someone needs to decide which subset to install. This doesn't require any technical knowledge. Optimize preselection of games on GNOME livecd https://features.opensuse.org/308477 => this is similar to the screensaver thing. No technical knowledge required. (Also, we can install games that are not part of gnome-games!) Drop glib/gtk/gnome 1.x stack https://features.opensuse.org/308601 => I was working on it at the beginning of January. It's nearly ready, but there are 2 or 3 packages left to handle, and help would be appreciated there. Ping me if you want to help. GNOME LiveCD: look if we can remove qt https://features.opensuse.org/308826 => I had taken a look at this for 11.2, but this wasn't possible at that time. It should be doable for 11.3, though. The first part is some analysis that anybody can do by just launching the livecd. I can help people start if needed. Remove Hal by default on opensuse 11.3 https://features.opensuse.org/308762 => I'd love to at least not have hal on the livecd I'm publishing this list here so that people who were wondering what to do can start actively working on something :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 07:38, Vincent Untz
Hi,
Here's a list of features that I think we should try to implement for 11.3; those are mostly not-too-big tasks, so I think anybody could step up and help. This list is in no way the complete stuff.
There are three categories in this list: + removing old stuff and migrating to the new "solutions" + trying to not install unneeded packages by default (that should help with the livecd size too, and so we could add more useful apps) + offering a better user experience by tweaking various small things
Note that this list doesn't contain any very ambitious goal, and I'd love if people would want to work on such goals (like improving the login performance, or really solving the "install codecs in a legal way" issue). So we can discuss other goals too :-)
at-spi2 by default https://features.opensuse.org/308451 => I think this is mostly implemented now, but this needs testing. Any volunteer?
The mono-uia team is working on this to an extent. Our stuff will require it and we are spending developer resources on it. If you want to help out there are a few channels that you could join. They are all on irc.gimp.net. #a11y - general gnome accessibility stuff, #atspidbus - the main at-spi2 channel, and our team channel is #mono-a11y Cheers, Stephen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
There are three categories in this list: + removing old stuff and migrating to the new "solutions" I think we should really try to remove some deprecated GNOME libraries
On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 15:38 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: like gnome-vfs, HAL and libbonobo at least from the livecd.
+ trying to not install unneeded packages by default (that should help with the livecd size too, and so we could add more useful apps) + offering a better user experience by tweaking various small things
Note that this list doesn't contain any very ambitious goal, and I'd love if people would want to work on such goals (like improving the login performance, or really solving the "install codecs in a legal way" issue). So we can discuss other goals too :-)
I think this should be interesting to do on Packagekit but it might be not an easy task.
Switch from beagle to tracker https://features.opensuse.org/307899 => Luis was working on this
This should be done in the next weeks, i'm waiting for a new Vala and Tracker release that fixes some of the bugs i've spotted when i packaged tracker. Libgee (tracker dependency) is already done.
Empathy as default IM client https://features.opensuse.org/308281 => again :-) Can we finally just do it?
I think we already got this by default on 11.3 but still some of the review i've seen for 11.2 people liked we still shipped pidgin by default but i expect empathy got in a much better state atm.
archive mounter https://features.opensuse.org/308344 => really easy to implement. You can do it today, with a submission in the build service.
Interesting feature.
New notification theme https://features.opensuse.org/308457 => might be solved with the new notification-daemon release that will be out at some point: there's a new theme there (slider) that we could possibly use. Someone should investigate.
I found this theme a little bit too dark but it might fit sonar theme well the problem is that creating these themes isn't really an easy task it requires some programming knowledge.
Drop glib/gtk/gnome 1.x stack https://features.opensuse.org/308601 => I was working on it at the beginning of January. It's nearly ready, but there are 2 or 3 packages left to handle, and help would be appreciated there. Ping me if you want to help.
Good to know gtk1.x will be removed good job!
GNOME LiveCD: look if we can remove qt https://features.opensuse.org/308826 => I had taken a look at this for 11.2, but this wasn't possible at that time. It should be doable for 11.3, though. The first part is some analysis that anybody can do by just launching the livecd. I can help people start if needed.
Why qt is needed after all ? If it's because of Sax it's going to be removed so qt shouldn't be installed anymore.
Remove Hal by default on opensuse 11.3 https://features.opensuse.org/308762 => I'd love to at least not have hal on the livecd
Yes this one is really important since it could speed up the boot process a bit. For the GNOME stack i think we just need a new release of Xorg-server (hal removed on git master) and see if we can have gnome-vfs without HAL (i'm thinking in Firefox).
I'm publishing this list here so that people who were wondering what to do can start actively working on something :-)
Thanks for this report if people want some more packages for 11.3 please add your wishlist on the WIKI or comment here. I remember we need a video editor piviti ? Luis -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Luis Medinas ha scritto:
On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 15:38 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote:
Note that this list doesn't contain any very ambitious goal, and I'd love if people would want to work on such goals (like improving the login performance, or really solving the "install codecs in a legal way" issue). So we can discuss other goals too :-)
I think this should be interesting to do on Packagekit but it might be not an easy task.
IMHO1: (without taking away nothing to zypper or Packagekit), the best package-manager I've seen so far, is the one of Ubuntu, it is straightforward and looks very stable and reliable
GNOME LiveCD: look if we can remove qt https://features.opensuse.org/308826 => I had taken a look at this for 11.2, but this wasn't possible at that time. It should be doable for 11.3, though. The first part is some analysis that anybody can do by just launching the livecd. I can help people start if needed.
Why qt is needed after all ? If it's because of Sax it's going to be removed so qt shouldn't be installed anymore.
IMHO2 Yast2, without qt support, is very crude; if you plan to remove this library support, then you should think to improve Yast2 interface for Gnome -- Marco Calistri http://mcalistri.blogspot.com
I'm publishing this list here so that people who were wondering what to do can start actively working on something :-)
Thanks for this report if people want some more packages for 11.3 please add your wishlist on the WIKI or comment here. I remember we need a video editor piviti ?
Luis
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Le jeudi 11 février 2010, à 10:26 -0200, Marco Calistri a écrit :
Luis Medinas ha scritto:
On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 15:38 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote:
Note that this list doesn't contain any very ambitious goal, and I'd love if people would want to work on such goals (like improving the login performance, or really solving the "install codecs in a legal way" issue). So we can discuss other goals too :-)
I think this should be interesting to do on Packagekit but it might be not an easy task.
IMHO1: (without taking away nothing to zypper or Packagekit), the best package-manager I've seen so far, is the one of Ubuntu, it is straightforward and looks very stable and reliable
We're really not talking about package manager here, but about how to install codecs :-) Improving the package manager is another discussion, and it's something we can discuss (I agree we don't have the best user experience there), but let's not mix the two topics.
GNOME LiveCD: look if we can remove qt https://features.opensuse.org/308826 => I had taken a look at this for 11.2, but this wasn't possible at that time. It should be doable for 11.3, though. The first part is some analysis that anybody can do by just launching the livecd. I can help people start if needed.
Why qt is needed after all ? If it's because of Sax it's going to be removed so qt shouldn't be installed anymore.
IMHO2 Yast2, without qt support, is very crude; if you plan to remove this library support, then you should think to improve Yast2 interface for Gnome
Can you tell us the issues you see so that people can look at them? :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Vincent Untz ha scritto:
Le jeudi 11 février 2010, à 10:26 -0200, Marco Calistri a écrit :
Luis Medinas ha scritto:
On Tue, 2010-02-02 at 15:38 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote:
Note that this list doesn't contain any very ambitious goal, and I'd love if people would want to work on such goals (like improving the login performance, or really solving the "install codecs in a legal way" issue). So we can discuss other goals too :-)
I think this should be interesting to do on Packagekit but it might be not an easy task.
IMHO1: (without taking away nothing to zypper or Packagekit), the best package-manager I've seen so far, is the one of Ubuntu, it is straightforward and looks very stable and reliable
We're really not talking about package manager here, but about how to install codecs :-) Improving the package manager is another discussion, and it's something we can discuss (I agree we don't have the best user experience there), but let's not mix the two topics.
Sorry Vincent: I am reading the ML at work and I was very in hurry, I didn't paid enough attention to the topic; my sincere apologies!!
GNOME LiveCD: look if we can remove qt https://features.opensuse.org/308826 => I had taken a look at this for 11.2, but this wasn't possible at that time. It should be doable for 11.3, though. The first part is some analysis that anybody can do by just launching the livecd. I can help people start if needed.
Why qt is needed after all ? If it's because of Sax it's going to be removed so qt shouldn't be installed anymore.
IMHO2 Yast2, without qt support, is very crude; if you plan to remove this library support, then you should think to improve Yast2 interface for Gnome
Can you tell us the issues you see so that people can look at them? :-)
Vincent
This is not matter of issues Vincent, but I remember to have switched to yast2--qt since my very first use of opensuse (if I am not wrong, since openSUSE 10.3) due the fact that yast2--default, has not the same flexibility as qt flavour(IMHHO) :-) Marco -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Le jeudi 11 février 2010, à 10:59 -0200, Marco Calistri a écrit :
Vincent Untz ha scritto:
Le jeudi 11 février 2010, à 10:26 -0200, Marco Calistri a écrit :
IMHO1: (without taking away nothing to zypper or Packagekit), the best package-manager I've seen so far, is the one of Ubuntu, it is straightforward and looks very stable and reliable
We're really not talking about package manager here, but about how to install codecs :-) Improving the package manager is another discussion, and it's something we can discuss (I agree we don't have the best user experience there), but let's not mix the two topics.
Sorry Vincent: I am reading the ML at work and I was very in hurry, I didn't paid enough attention to the topic; my sincere apologies!!
That's fine :-) And improving the package manager is definitely something we should work on... [...]
IMHO2 Yast2, without qt support, is very crude; if you plan to remove this library support, then you should think to improve Yast2 interface for Gnome
Can you tell us the issues you see so that people can look at them? :-)
Vincent
This is not matter of issues Vincent, but I remember to have switched to yast2--qt since my very first use of opensuse (if I am not wrong, since openSUSE 10.3) due the fact that yast2--default, has not the same flexibility as qt flavour(IMHHO) :-)
Well, I believe this has changed quite a bit since 10.3 ;-) But seriously, it's hard to improve the gtk+ interface without knowing what's wrong. Can you try to use it again for a bit? Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Well, I believe this has changed quite a bit since 10.3 ;-) But seriously, it's hard to improve the gtk+ interface without knowing what's wrong. Can you try to use it again for a bit?
Vincent
There is a discussion already going on about fixing the gtk+ interface for at least the package manager. http://groups.google.com/group/yast2-gtk Cheers, Stephen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Vincent Untz ha scritto:
Le jeudi 11 février 2010, à 10:59 -0200, Marco Calistri a écrit :
Vincent Untz ha scritto:
Le jeudi 11 février 2010, à 10:26 -0200, Marco Calistri a écrit :
IMHO1: (without taking away nothing to zypper or Packagekit), the best package-manager I've seen so far, is the one of Ubuntu, it is straightforward and looks very stable and reliable
We're really not talking about package manager here, but about how to install codecs :-) Improving the package manager is another discussion, and it's something we can discuss (I agree we don't have the best user experience there), but let's not mix the two topics.
Sorry Vincent: I am reading the ML at work and I was very in hurry, I didn't paid enough attention to the topic; my sincere apologies!!
That's fine :-) And improving the package manager is definitely something we should work on...
[...]
IMHO2 Yast2, without qt support, is very crude; if you plan to remove this library support, then you should think to improve Yast2 interface for Gnome
Can you tell us the issues you see so that people can look at them? :-)
Vincent
This is not matter of issues Vincent, but I remember to have switched to yast2--qt since my very first use of opensuse (if I am not wrong, since openSUSE 10.3) due the fact that yast2--default, has not the same flexibility as qt flavour(IMHHO) :-)
Well, I believe this has changed quite a bit since 10.3 ;-) But seriously, it's hard to improve the gtk+ interface without knowing what's wrong. Can you try to use it again for a bit?
Vincent
Sincerely, I never found nothing wrong on gtk+ interface, but I remember it was not so rich in options and nice in look, as the qt version. I promise: I will try to use it again. ;-) Cheers, Marco -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Sincerely, I never found nothing wrong on gtk+ interface, but I remember it was not so rich in options and nice in look, as the qt version. I promise: I will try to use it again. ;-)
Cheers,
Marco
Not sure you hurt anyone's feelings. The first couple iterations of it, at least the software manager, truly sucked both in stability and feature set. This group (yast2-gtk) is working on getting better feature parity at least in the software manager. Cheers, Stephen -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
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