Le mercredi 17 juin 2009, à 16:00 +0200, Dominique Leuenberger a écrit :

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On 6/17/2009 at 15:21, Vincent Untz wrote: Hi,

I'd like to discuss using empathy as the default IM client again :-) Last time, we didn't make the switch because it was not totally ready. But lots of work has happened in the meantime and empathy has some cool new features: Limitations that were blocking this in the past were:

+ file transfer (implemented now) + a bit buggy (should work fine now) + (?)

You motivated me to test it again... so $ sudo zypper in empathy

$ empathy

Starts up.. first thing I see: the tray icon is just a square, gray blob... bleh. Let's try to create an account: Edit, Accounts, adding my groupwise messenger account. enabling it... waiting ... waiting...

oh... did I mention waiting?

No connection apparently is happening.. at least it does not do anything.

Did I do anything crucial wrong? So far I have to use kopete as IM. Pidgin crashe{s,d} on incoming GW messages (did not test for a while. so this might be solved). empathy.. well, see above.

Yeah, hrm, so, let's not just use GW as a base to decide ;-) I mean, I don't expect most home users to need GW... FWIW, this could be the same issue as https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=18271 (depends on your server, I guess) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

Le mercredi 17 juin 2009, à 16:27 +0200, Dominique Leuenberger a écrit :

The just gray square as tray icon though should be independent of any used protocol.

This is the icon you have when you're offline. If you're online, you'll have a green round. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

Le mercredi 17 juin 2009, à 10:23 -0400, Mario Carrion a écrit :

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On 6/17/2009 at 15:21, Vincent Untz wrote: Hi,

I'd like to discuss using empathy as the default IM client again :-) Last time, we didn't make the switch because it was not totally ready. But lots of work has happened in the meantime and empathy has some cool new features: Limitations that were blocking this in the past were:

+ file transfer (implemented now) + a bit buggy (should work fine now) + (?)

You motivated me to test it again... so $ sudo zypper in empathy

$ empathy I also got motivated and installed it, played a little bit but seems

On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 16:00 +0200, Dominique Leuenberger wrote: that some features are missing: I just can't add an IRC account even when the import dialog lists my Pidgin's IRC accounts, and the Import dialog isn't working or something because clicking OK does nothing.

sudo zypper in telepathy-idle I'll file a bug about the UI issue for importing the irc account when the backend is not installed. And I'll make empathy recommend or suggst telepathy-idle. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

Le mercredi 17 juin 2009, à 15:27 +0100, Luis Medinas a écrit :

I'm against it since i found msn and irc protocols broken. I mostly use im client for msn and the empathy backend for msn is a lot worse than pidgin.

Seriously, we need bugs if we want this to change. AFAIK, this works fine.

Another feature missing on empathy is plugins that pidgin as a lot.

What plugins are you using? (I've never used a pidgin plugin, I think) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

Le mercredi 17 juin 2009, à 15:57 +0100, Luis Medinas a écrit :

On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 16:47 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:

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What plugins are you using? (I've never used a pidgin plugin, I think)

Personally i use libnotify plugin, so watch msg notifications.

There are notifications in empathy. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 17:24 +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

On Wednesday 17 June 2009 16:27:59 Luis Medinas wrote:

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[...] Another feature missing on empathy is plugins that pidgin as a lot.

Note that I expect that pidgin will still be available for those that do not want to switch from pidgin to empathy. But now we need to know what exactly you would miss to decide on the default for new installations,

I'm currently testing the new empathy (2.27.3) with the only backend i use (msn). I'm trying to figure if offline msgs and send/receive files work as pidgin. The new features for empathy is impressive, also the notifications are supported and work as expected. Maybe facebook users can have a word since empathy doesn't support this protocol. Luis -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 12:54 -0500, Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy wrote:

On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 17:12 +0100, Luis Medinas wrote:

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I'm currently testing the new empathy (2.27.3) with the only backend i use (msn). I'm trying to figure if offline msgs and send/receive files work as pidgin. The new features for empathy is impressive, also the notifications are supported and work as expected. Maybe facebook users can have a word since empathy doesn't support this protocol.

Oh. That could be a blocker for me. I have a FATE request in to install Pidgin's support for Facebook out of the box in 11.2, so if we switch to Empathy I'd like to see the same thing.

I'll give Empathy a try, though. -- Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy openSUSE Member www.twitter.com/KevinDupuy

I haven't played with Empathy in like a year. But doesn't Empathy use the same libpurple pidgin plugins in the background? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org

Dňa Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:21:09 +0200 Jakub 'Livio' Rusinek napísal(a):

On 19.06.2009 17:00, Rastislav Krupanský wrote:

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Pidgin (...) is the one of more matured instant messenger. Why do you want to change something, what simply works? And after my experiences i can say it works better.

Pidgin is not good. It's not even enough stable to be said it's stable. It doesn't even feature basic functionality of each protocol.

Hm, so i´m lucky guy, because Pidgin works for me quite stable ;-)

Only a bit of every protocol but yeah, they say it can replace ICQ, MSN, Gadu-Gadu, AIM and more.

I doubt Linux will get a good and stable IM even in future.

Gaim had a development, slow, but it had. Instead of reaching "higher levels", what we've got? Not fully done software, which is suitable to be flushed in the toilet.

The only chance is now closed source software or multiplatform software or even software compiled using libwine.

Nice, don't you think?

If we need to judge, yes, Pidgin over Empathy, but still both use libpurple which is sadly a piece of crap.

Better would be if Empathy would use some libs directly to gain protocol support.

Galaxium is worth a look. It had few active developers, then development stalled, then new developer started work I think they're going back to work. In future it could be a good choice.

InstantBird would be also interesting, if only it wouldn't use crappy libpurple.

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Well, what about it that Empathy supports VoIP, or video? I don´t care. Nevertheless, the most uses VoIP/video communication service in the world is Skype.

The truth is that open source software is useless when it comes to VoIP. Skype is a choice, regardless the compatibility with PulseAudio and the Linux support.

Okay, I sad enough bad, what needed to be said.

I´m an common user and i want to use working software. And Empathy doesn´t work as i expect nowadays. Honestly, i don´t care, whether it is closed or open source. Just let it works. -- S pozdravom / Best regards, Rasto -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org