On 3 September 2013 15:39, Marco Calistri wrote:

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Il 03/09/2013 00:25, Michael Catanzaro ha scritto:

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Hey GNOMEers,

I've got some suggested changes to the applications we install by default:

Proposed additions: bijiben, deja-dup

Bijiben ("Notes"): The new GNOME notes app. Alternatively we could add Gnote, which is almost the same as Tomboy. Both can import Tomboy notes.

+1 from me

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DejaDup: See Atri's email [1]. This app is great. Ubuntu patches it into GNOME Control Center (we don't need to do that).

+1 from me

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Proposed to drop: alacarte, gbrainy, tomboy

alacarte - GNOME 2 menu editor, no longer makes sense since GNOME has no menus. Or separators. Or categories (in GNOME 3.8). It doesn't even seem to be capable of hiding/showing apps anymore (the only feature that worked in 12.2).

-0.5 from me - I'm still partial to alacarte as it's an easy way of creating/managing application shortcuts even if it doesn't fully mesh with GNOME 3.8's way of doing things

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gbrainy - Nothing functionally wrong here, but I'd like to move to mostly GNOME 3 apps by default, and gbrainy is clearly not planning to do so.

+0 from me - don't mind either way

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tomboy - Inferior to its fork, Gnote. Gnote has been updated for GNOME 3; Tomboy hasn't.

+1 but only if Bijiben or Gnote get added

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Additionally, I really want to get rid of XTerm and "Linux 32-bit Terminal," since I suspect almost everyone uses GNOME Terminal. But these are dependencies of LightWM, which is in one of the base patterns....

I've used XTerm to save the day when I've had GNOME in a very messy state in the past. Yes, I know I'm crazy, but I dont see the harm in letting this one slide. Thanks for the ideas!

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[1] http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-gnome/2013-08/msg00009.html

Hello Michael,

IMHO, if you think to drop alacarte then you should take care of alternative way to set programs especially the ones you are not installing with openSUSE packages, in order you can set them properly.

One of most annoying aspect in new Gnome concept (to my eyes) is the apparent lack of configuration settings, as well as too many "hidden functions" which need too much time to be discovered.

Cheers,

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On Tue, 2013-09-03 at 19:28 -0500, Rajko wrote:

On Tue, 3 Sep 2013 15:47:22 +0100 Richard Brown wrote:

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I've used XTerm to save the day when I've had GNOME in a very messy state in the past. Yes, I know I'm crazy, but I dont see the harm in letting this one slide.

Then you are not alone :)

The Xterm is necessary, as it doesn't save only GNOME, when time comes, but any desktop.

Surely in the dire eventuality that you somehow manage to destroy your terminal emulator, you can Ctrl+Alt+F2? (Actually I think I've heard of gsettings corruption borking gnome-terminal in 12.3 or maybe 12.2.) But this was more of an idle complaint, though that didn't come out properly in my original email. Xterm is part of the X11 pattern, not the GNOME pattern.

Seems there's a clear consensus to keep alacarte. Although I personally don't think it's a sane default for 13.1, it's true there's no replacement app yet, and none is currently in the works. On Tue, 2013-09-03 at 16:51 +0200, Dominique Leuenberger a.k.a. Dimstar wrote:

I'm not sure upstream sees it entirely the same way, considering that there was just an alacarte 3.9.x release :) Released ten hours after my email... certainly awkward timing for that argument! (It was dropped from the modulesets, though.)