[opensuse-gnome] GNOME Live CD trimming
I went through the list of packages from rpm -qa on the Live CD looking for things that can be removed. Unfortunately, it's already cut pretty close to the bone. Mono really hurts us, since its bindings libs bring in a lot of dependencies. I did find some candidates for removal, though: bug-buddy - 1985624 bytes * We have no debuginfo anyway, so it's next to useless. * The google breakpad part is huge. * It also installs a static version of the breakpad lib (?!). xterm - 1989755 bytes * I don't think we need two terminal programs, especially not when one is so huge. gnome-terminal doesn't have any serious technical shortcomings, and xterm is pretty much hidden from the user as it is. icewm - 1017076 bytes icewm-lite - 643576 bytes * Superfluous window manager. * Is this needed for the installer or yast somehow? tasque - 677049 bytes * I don't think this is mature enough to warrant the space on the Live CD. * Evolution has task support. * Requires Inet connectivity? * Currently crashes on start due to missing Mono dep NDesk.DBus.GLib. xournal - 330731 bytes * It's a note-taking app that looks like a real journal with margins and guide lines. Lets you doodle. * Too specialized for the Live CD? * We're shipping Tomboy notes. bc - 228015 bytes * Too exotic for the Live CD? gcalctool sufficient? * Only important dependent seems to be openssl, but I don't think it's needed for openssl consuming programs (removed it from my main computer with seemingly no ill effects). PackageKit - 1381964 bytes gnome-packagekit - 1449137 bytes * It's huge. * You can't modify the software selection on the Live CD anyway. Then there's X-Chat vs. Pidgin, but I guess we should keep both since you're stuck with what you've got on the Live CD. If we remove all of the suggested packages, we will save 9,702,927 bytes (according to the size field in rpm -qi), or 9,995,776 bytes if you take block padding into account with 512-byte blocks, using the following (cut/paste friendly) script: let total_size=0; for i in $(rpm -ql bug-buddy xterm icewm icewm-lite \ tasque xournal bc PackageKit gnome-packagekit); do if [ -f $i ]; then \ let total_size+=$(stat -c '%b' $i); fi; done; let total_size*=$(stat \ -c '%B' .); echo $total_size You'll get a bigger number for a non-Live-CD install, I guess because the Live CD packages are optimized for size. I left the games alone because they appeal to new users who want to try out the distro, and I left the diagnostics tools (hardware and network) alone since they're so useful on Live CDs. -- Hans Petter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2008-04-24 at 22:56 -0500, Hans Petter Jansson wrote:
I went through the list of packages from rpm -qa on the Live CD looking for things that can be removed. Unfortunately, it's already cut pretty close to the bone. Mono really hurts us, since its bindings libs bring in a lot of dependencies.
I did find some candidates for removal, though:
bug-buddy - 1985624 bytes * We have no debuginfo anyway, so it's next to useless. * The google breakpad part is huge. * It also installs a static version of the breakpad lib (?!).
xterm - 1989755 bytes * I don't think we need two terminal programs, especially not when one is so huge. gnome-terminal doesn't have any serious technical shortcomings, and xterm is pretty much hidden from the user as it is.
Not controlled by GNOME patterns. Need to bring it up on -project or with coolo I guess.
icewm - 1017076 bytes icewm-lite - 643576 bytes * Superfluous window manager. * Is this needed for the installer or yast somehow?
Not controlled by GNOME patterns. Need to bring it up on -project or with coolo I guess.
tasque - 677049 bytes * I don't think this is mature enough to warrant the space on the Live CD. * Evolution has task support. * Requires Inet connectivity? * Currently crashes on start due to missing Mono dep NDesk.DBus.GLib.
xournal - 330731 bytes * It's a note-taking app that looks like a real journal with margins and guide lines. Lets you doodle. * Too specialized for the Live CD? * We're shipping Tomboy notes.
See 'discussion' on http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Pattern_Review
bc - 228015 bytes * Too exotic for the Live CD? gcalctool sufficient? * Only important dependent seems to be openssl, but I don't think it's needed for openssl consuming programs (removed it from my main computer with seemingly no ill effects).
Not controlled by GNOME patterns. Need to bring it up on -project or with coolo I guess.
PackageKit - 1381964 bytes gnome-packagekit - 1449137 bytes * It's huge. * You can't modify the software selection on the Live CD anyway.
What's on the LiveCD is also what will be on your computer after you install it, hence we probably want to keep at least the updater. Not sure about the rest as, if I understood it correctly, only the updater will be officially supported in 11.0.
Then there's X-Chat vs. Pidgin, but I guess we should keep both since you're stuck with what you've got on the Live CD.
Pidgin won the voting on http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Pattern_Review/xchat The problem we're facing now is to associate irc:// with pidgin. Their implementation is broken :-( So yes, we might have to use xchat as default irc client after all.
If we remove all of the suggested packages, we will save 9,702,927 bytes (according to the size field in rpm -qi), or 9,995,776 bytes if you take block padding into account with 512-byte blocks, using the following (cut/paste friendly) script:
let total_size=0; for i in $(rpm -ql bug-buddy xterm icewm icewm-lite \ tasque xournal bc PackageKit gnome-packagekit); do if [ -f $i ]; then \ let total_size+=$(stat -c '%b' $i); fi; done; let total_size*=$(stat \ -c '%B' .); echo $total_size
You'll get a bigger number for a non-Live-CD install, I guess because the Live CD packages are optimized for size.
I left the games alone because they appeal to new users who want to try out the distro, and I left the diagnostics tools (hardware and network) alone since they're so useful on Live CDs.
Yeah, games and other "fun" stuff is probably a good idea to keep.
-- Hans Petter
Cheers, Magnus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2008-04-25 at 14:16 +1000, Magnus Boman wrote:
On Thu, 2008-04-24 at 22:56 -0500, Hans Petter Jansson wrote:
I went through the list of packages from rpm -qa on the Live CD looking for things that can be removed. Unfortunately, it's already cut pretty close to the bone. Mono really hurts us, since its bindings libs bring in a lot of dependencies.
I did find some candidates for removal, though:
bug-buddy - 1985624 bytes * We have no debuginfo anyway, so it's next to useless. * The google breakpad part is huge. * It also installs a static version of the breakpad lib (?!).
crash.gnome.org can become useful soon.
xterm - 1989755 bytes * I don't think we need two terminal programs, especially not when one is so huge. gnome-terminal doesn't have any serious technical shortcomings, and xterm is pretty much hidden from the user as it is.
Not controlled by GNOME patterns. Need to bring it up on -project or with coolo I guess.
Yep.
icewm - 1017076 bytes icewm-lite - 643576 bytes * Superfluous window manager. * Is this needed for the installer or yast somehow?
Not controlled by GNOME patterns. Need to bring it up on -project or with coolo I guess.
Used by sax2 afaik (reduced from fvwm2).
tasque - 677049 bytes * I don't think this is mature enough to warrant the space on the Live CD. * Evolution has task support. * Requires Inet connectivity? * Currently crashes on start due to missing Mono dep NDesk.DBus.GLib.
xournal - 330731 bytes * It's a note-taking app that looks like a real journal with margins and guide lines. Lets you doodle. * Too specialized for the Live CD? * We're shipping Tomboy notes.
See 'discussion' on http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Pattern_Review
Need to check with zoz/behlert, I think this is related to tablet PCs.
bc - 228015 bytes * Too exotic for the Live CD? gcalctool sufficient? * Only important dependent seems to be openssl, but I don't think it's needed for openssl consuming programs (removed it from my main computer with seemingly no ill effects).
Not controlled by GNOME patterns. Need to bring it up on -project or with coolo I guess.
Agreed.
PackageKit - 1381964 bytes gnome-packagekit - 1449137 bytes * It's huge. * You can't modify the software selection on the Live CD anyway.
What's on the LiveCD is also what will be on your computer after you install it, hence we probably want to keep at least the updater. Not sure about the rest as, if I understood it correctly, only the updater will be officially supported in 11.0.
Agreed.
Then there's X-Chat vs. Pidgin, but I guess we should keep both since you're stuck with what you've got on the Live CD.
Pidgin won the voting on http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Pattern_Review/xchat The problem we're facing now is to associate irc:// with pidgin. Their implementation is broken :-( So yes, we might have to use xchat as default irc client after all.
We can fix the greeter however to use a different uri.
If we remove all of the suggested packages, we will save 9,702,927 bytes (according to the size field in rpm -qi), or 9,995,776 bytes if you take block padding into account with 512-byte blocks, using the following (cut/paste friendly) script:
I know meeks had some package splitting suggestions. Also there was the
xulrunner190 port possibilities.
-JP
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On Fri, 2008-04-25 at 00:44 -0400, JP Rosevear wrote:
I know meeks had some package splitting suggestions. Also there was the xulrunner190 port possibilities.
I vaguely remember someone talking about the xulrunner stuff. Was it maw? What does it entail -- patching a couple of apps to run with the newer xulrunner and ditching the old one? -- Hans Petter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
Hans Petter Jansson wrote:
On Fri, 2008-04-25 at 00:44 -0400, JP Rosevear wrote:
I know meeks had some package splitting suggestions. Also there was the xulrunner190 port possibilities.
I vaguely remember someone talking about the xulrunner stuff. Was it maw?
I also talked about it a while ago.
What does it entail -- patching a couple of apps to run with the newer xulrunner and ditching the old one?
Yes. To me it looks like we are late in the game for that. The mechanism to get to the gtkmozembed functions has changed since there is no extra lib for that anymore. And after that the applications should get some good testing since Gecko changed quite a bit. I'm not sure if the "yastbrowser" (for registration) will be used in 11.0 but it also needs at least a minor change and some testing with the new xulrunner. /me should file a bug about that anyway. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2008-04-25 at 00:52 -0500, Hans Petter Jansson wrote:
On Fri, 2008-04-25 at 00:44 -0400, JP Rosevear wrote:
I know meeks had some package splitting suggestions. Also there was the xulrunner190 port possibilities.
I vaguely remember someone talking about the xulrunner stuff. Was it maw? What does it entail -- patching a couple of apps to run with the newer xulrunner and ditching the old one?
Yes. A few weeks ago Vincent pointed me at a few patches that could be applied. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2008-04-24 at 22:56 -0500, Hans Petter Jansson wrote:
I went through the list of packages from rpm -qa on the Live CD looking for things that can be removed. Unfortunately, it's already cut pretty close to the bone. Mono really hurts us, since its bindings libs bring in a lot of dependencies.
I did find some candidates for removal, though:
bug-buddy - 1985624 bytes * We have no debuginfo anyway, so it's next to useless. * The google breakpad part is huge. * It also installs a static version of the breakpad lib (?!).
xterm - 1989755 bytes * I don't think we need two terminal programs, especially not when one is so huge. gnome-terminal doesn't have any serious technical shortcomings, and xterm is pretty much hidden from the user as it is.
icewm - 1017076 bytes icewm-lite - 643576 bytes * Superfluous window manager. * Is this needed for the installer or yast somehow?
These are probably good to go
tasque - 677049 bytes * I don't think this is mature enough to warrant the space on the Live CD. * Evolution has task support. * Requires Inet connectivity? * Currently crashes on start due to missing Mono dep NDesk.DBus.GLib.
xournal - 330731 bytes * It's a note-taking app that looks like a real journal with margins and guide lines. Lets you doodle. * Too specialized for the Live CD? * We're shipping Tomboy notes.
These two can be useful for a lot of people. I'd probably say keep
Tasque (unless it's incredibly buggy) and remove Xournal.
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