June 2008 - openSUSE GNOME - openSUSE Mailing Lists

[opensuse-gnome] [Fwd: [GNOME Maint.] Gnome in OBS setup]
by JP Rosevear 19 Jun '08

19 Jun '08

-JP -- JP Rosevear <jpr(a)novell.com> Novell, Inc.

2 2

Re: [opensuse-gnome] [Fwd: [GNOME Maint.] Gnome in OBS setup]
by James Ogley 18 Jun '08

18 Jun '08

> Yes, I feared as well that all others switching to :Update as well so I was a > bit concerned and wrote you. All done now. :) -- James Ogley, openSUSE Member: GNOME Team and Planet SUSE. riggwelter(a)opensuse.org http://opensuse.org/GNOME http://planetsuse.org openSUSE: Get It, Discover It, Create It at http://www.opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

1 0

Re: [opensuse-gnome] [Fwd: [GNOME Maint.] Gnome in OBS setup]
by JP Rosevear 18 Jun '08

18 Jun '08

On Wed, 2008-06-18 at 19:32 +0200, Adrian Schröter wrote: > > On Wednesday 18 June 2008 18:43:58 James Ogley wrote: > > > Then can't you get bin incompats the other way? Ie without updates. > > > > And in fact it's more likely since the vast majority of users will be > > using the update repo. > > If this is the case, it does mean the developer providing the fix has ignored > our policies or did not understand the code, maintenance / project manager has > not seen the problem and QA checking has failed all together. I think in practice this is basically non-existent, but I disagree with the assertion that if binary incompatible updates go into the updates its not a problem for users on GNOME:STABLE not using updates. Largely irrelevant though i think. > It would be really a big issue when such a thing happens. If you see such a > thing happen report it and we need to revert such an update immediatly. > > On the other hand you cause only problems by using the Update repo, especially > with large project. You cause significant more build load, more load to the > mirrors and unneeded updates for the users. > We might need to add a penalty to the gnome project for situations where we > need to release updates of base packages for all distributions (what happens > regulary). Ok, this seems somewhat key, James, Maw? -JP -- JP Rosevear <jpr(a)novell.com> Novell, Inc. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

2 1

Re: [opensuse-gnome] [Fwd: [GNOME Maint.] Gnome in OBS setup]
by JP Rosevear 18 Jun '08

18 Jun '08

On Wed, 2008-06-18 at 17:59 +0200, Adrian Schröter wrote: > > On Wednesday 18 June 2008 15:20:48 JP Rosevear wrote: > > On Wed, 2008-06-18 at 09:08 -0400, JP Rosevear wrote: > > > -JP > > > email message attachment, "Forwarded message - [GNOME Maint.] Gnome in > > > OBS setup" > > > > > > > -------- Forwarded Message -------- > > > > From: Adrian Schröter <adrian(a)suse.de> > > > > To: gnome-maintainers(a)suse.de > > > > Subject: [GNOME Maint.] Gnome in OBS setup > > > > Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:04:05 +0200 > > > > Mailer: KMail/1.9.51 (Linux/2.6.25.4-10-default; KDE/4.0.82; > > > > x86_64; ; ) > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > I was told that Gnome projects does now build against the :Update repos > > > > instead of the plain base distros which provide the GA version. > > > > > > > > This is usually a bad idea because > > > > > > > > 1. It does trigger unneeded build load and force users to download more > > > > packages without need. > > > > 2. It can create incompatibilities, since a build on a updated system > > > > might not work on a GA version. While a compile on GA should always > > > > work on a updated system. The only exception are kernel modules here > > > > (and libzypp on 10.1) > > > > > > > > Can you tell me a reason why you need to compile against the :Update > > > > projects ? > > > > We don't need to, but we discussed it as a) good to encourage updating > > b) more common now that its default to get updates. > > I do not see how you encourage people via that. You just possibly introduce > binary incompatibilities if people just add the Gnome repo without the Update > repo. Then can't you get bin incompats the other way? Ie without updates. -JP -- JP Rosevear <jpr(a)novell.com> Novell, Inc. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

2 1

[opensuse-gnome] Upcoming #opensuse-gnome Meeting 2008/06/19 16:00 UTC ( please check times for your location thoroughly )
by Casual J. Programmer 18 Jun '08

18 Jun '08

Hi all GNOME addicts, The next openSUSE-GNOME project meeting will take place at the official #opensuse-gnome IRC channel on freenode (irc://irc.freenode.net/openSUSE-gnome) on upcoming Thursday: 2008/06/12 18:00 CEST (16:00 UTC) For an overview what time this is in different timezones, use: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=19&month=06&year=2… This meeting is meant to discuss the latest developments in and around openSUSE-GNOME. Please review your topics on the meeting wiki page at: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOMEMeetings/20080612 as soon as possible. For general info about our IRC meetings read: http://en.opensuse.org/Meetings/About For a general technical introduction to IRC (Internet Relay Chat) see http://www.irchelp.org/ ;(not affiliated with openSUSE) or enter "IRC help" into your preferred search engine. The network we use is freenode - for more information on this, including how to find a server, visit http://freenode.net/;(not affiliated with openSUSE either). Have a lot of fun .. Casual J. Programmer (on behalf of the openSUSE-GNOME team)

3 4

[opensuse-gnome] openSUSE GNOME meeting (2008/06/12)
by Rodrigo Moya 12 Jun '08

12 Jun '08

* Promoting 11.0 (vuntz / hobbsc) - hobbsc and vuntz started promotion blog entries, we should do all the same - A series of articles about user-friendly specific 11.0 stuff + new features (pulseaudio, randr1.2, zypper, packagekit + more high-level stuff, like 'how to use os as media center', 'business desktop (word processing, etc)', etc + stuff for developers to grow the developers base + what about looking for help with other distros for linux-generic stuff (mostly everything is just linux, not specific to a distro) - Boxed set delivery is free - Someone wants to write a sneak peeks article for 11.0? AI: suseROCKs to create http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/TopicstoWrite * Helping Hands Launch (suseROCKs) - http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/HowTos created, please review - We need people to submit topics and volunteer to be a Helping Hands expert - Suggest ideas & enlist at http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/HowTos/HelpingHandsTopics * Nominating Bug-X for Maintenance Updates (jpr) - Tag potential updates with gnome-update keyword - Developers, ask Anja for a SWAMP-ID * Use bugzilla instead of wiki for AI's (rodrigo / vuntz) - People forget too easily their AIs on the wiki, so why not use bugzilla? - Used for tracking things, so makes sense, would just need a new AI component, eg - We need some AI master to nag constantly people about their AIs, or some automatic application that reminds people before the AIs reach their timeline AI: rodrigo to mail henne for creating products/components AI: captain_magnus to become the AI master * Bug Triage Policy (jpr) - Bug tagging was quite successful for 11.0, helped us focus on user impact rather than technical severity - More aspects to bug handling inconsistent, proposal to fix them: + http://en.opensuse.org/User:Jproseve/TriageProposal + Attempts to better define severities + It moves to priority rather than severity as the first order driver of what gets fixed + It pushes for being better citizens upstream with bug filing in bugzilla.gnome.org and other upstream bugzilla + it attempts to clearly define a triage process some that technical but not necessarily developers can easily perform it in a repeatable manner - Proposal sent to the KDE team also * Start discussing 11.1 features (vuntz) - http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Ideas/11.1 <- please review, still has items already done for 11.0 - We need people to think hard about what they want for 11.1 * Agenda for upcoming meeting (casualprogrammer) - Helping hands update (suseROCKs) - 11.1 features - Bug triage - AI master update -- Rodrigo Moya <rodrigo(a)novell.com> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

1 0

[opensuse-gnome] openSUSE GNOME meeting (2008/06/05)
by Rodrigo Moya 12 Jun '08

12 Jun '08

* Promoting 11.0 (vuntz / hobbsc) - hobbsc and vuntz started promotion blog entries, we should do all the same - A series of articles about user-friendly specific 11.0 stuff + new features (pulseaudio, randr1.2, zypper, packagekit + more high-level stuff, like 'how to use os as media center', 'business desktop (word processing, etc)', etc + stuff for developers to grow the developers base + what about looking for help with other distros for linux-generic stuff (mostly everything is just linux, not specific to a distro) - Boxed set delivery is free - Someone wants to write a sneak peeks article for 11.0? AI: suseROCKs to create http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/TopicstoWrite * Helping Hands Launch (suseROCKs) - http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/HowTos created, please review - We need people to submit topics and volunteer to be a Helping Hands expert - Suggest ideas & enlist at http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/HowTos/HelpingHandsTopics * Nominating Bug-X for Maintenance Updates (jpr) - Tag potential updates with gnome-update keyword - Developers, ask Anja for a SWAMP-ID * Use bugzilla instead of wiki for AI's (rodrigo / vuntz) - People forget too easily their AIs on the wiki, so why not use bugzilla? - Used for tracking things, so makes sense, would just need a new AI component, eg - We need some AI master to nag constantly people about their AIs, or some automatic application that reminds people before the AIs reach their timeline AI: rodrigo to mail henne for creating products/components AI: captain_magnus to become the AI master * Bug Triage Policy (jpr) - Bug tagging was quite successful for 11.0, helped us focus on user impact rather than technical severity - More aspects to bug handling inconsistent, proposal to fix them: + http://en.opensuse.org/User:Jproseve/TriageProposal + Attempts to better define severities + It moves to priority rather than severity as the first order driver of what gets fixed + It pushes for being better citizens upstream with bug filing in bugzilla.gnome.org and other upstream bugzilla + it attempts to clearly define a triage process some that technical but not necessarily developers can easily perform it in a repeatable manner - Proposal sent to the KDE team also * Start discussing 11.1 features (vuntz) - http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Ideas/11.1 <- please review, still has items already done for 11.0 - We need people to think hard about what they want for 11.1 * Agenda for upcoming meeting (casualprogrammer) - Helping hands update (suseROCKs) - 11.1 features - Bug triage - AI master update -- Rodrigo Moya <rodrigo(a)novell.com> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

1 0

[opensuse-gnome] Helping Hands Project
by Bryen 12 Jun '08

12 Jun '08

Fellow GNOMEies... It's time to impart our knowledge to the masses. We'll soon launching the Helping Hands Project. http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/HowTos Our goal is to provide weekly live-discussion meetings on a variety of topics related to GNOME user experience. Users will be able to meet Helping Hand Experts who can answer questions and offer insight on how to make the most of their openSUSE-GNOME experience. The success of this program depends on ... YOU! This is "COMMUNITY" in its most perfect description. Please visit http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/HowTos and suggest topics of interest to users, and volunteer to be a Helping Hands Expert in your area of expertise. Spread the word so others may learn about Helping Hands and stop by to learn more about openSUSE-GNOME. We're hoping to launch our first Helping Hands session in about two weeks, shortly after 11.0 is released and an excellent time to welcome new users into our family. I really need you to overwhelm me with topic ideas and experts' name suggestions. -- ---Bryen--- Let's rejoice a "There are no dumb questions" culture. But I really need you to have a "No dumb answers" policy before I answer your question. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

1 0

[opensuse-gnome] Topics to Write
by Bryen 12 Jun '08

12 Jun '08

As per our meeting this morning, I have created a new wiki page for you all to submit ideas of topics to write about for articles and HowTos. It is also the place for you all to find something to write about. So check it out at http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME?Topics_To_Write -- ---Bryen--- Let's rejoice a "There are no dumb questions" culture. But I really need you to have a "No dumb answers" policy before I answer your question. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

1 0

[opensuse-gnome] BugDay Wrap-up
by Christopher Hobbs 12 Jun '08

12 Jun '08

Thanks to everyone who showed up today. Despite my hardware failures (I lost a fan and baked my processor), we reviewed about 100 bugs today in an 8 hour span. Everyone who turned out worked very hard and I really appreciate the effort! Just for reference, I've posted a quick guide to how I ran the meetings. I've had a few people ask me about it as it's a little different than the normal process. You can read about it here: http://altbit.org/wp/?p=167 You can also review all of the bugs we covered today on the wiki: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/BugDays/20080611/Progress Thanks again to everyone who showed up! We had a great time and got a lot of work done. cmh -- Christopher M. Hobbs, chobbs(a)siloamsprings.com Network Administrator, City of Siloam Springs -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+unsubscribe(a)opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-gnome+help(a)opensuse.org

4 3