Feature changed by: Kjetil Kilhavn (kjetil_kilhavn) Feature #310263, revision 3 Title: By default use a functioning version of Java openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Andrew Joakimsen (joak0) Description: The "OpenJDK" version of Java is installed by default in openSUSE. This version of Java does not enjoy widespread compatibility. I have yet to find a site that properly works with this Java implemenaton and have promptly replaced it with a working Jave implemenation -- Sun.   The installation of the working Java plugin should be via the same mechanism that is employed to install Flash plugin upon the first update to the system (pullin-flash-player package).   Until the point in time it can be demonstrated that the OpenJDK implementation can work with >= 95% of Java applets encountered in "the real world" it should not be included by default in OpenSUSE. I think it is a way better out-of-box experiance for users to have to install Java (just like in Windows) vs. appear to have Java but "Java is broken in openSUSE" I doubt many non-technical users can understand the difference. Discussion: #1: Vadim Krevs (vkrevs) (2010-08-08 16:03:25) IMHO, the version of Java installed by default should be the latest  supported by the latest released Eclipse SDK. + #2: Kjetil Kilhavn (kjetil_kilhavn) (2010-08-12 09:41:05) + I agree with Andrew - until OpenJDK works flawlessly with solutions + such as secure login to online banking etc it should be replaced by the + original Java implementation. Online banking - as well as online + gambling and other secure online transactions e.g. with the authorities + to deliver tax papers etc - are killer applications for ordinary users. + For those users, it is important that openSUSE.org works out of the + box. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310263

Feature changed by: Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) Feature #310263, revision 6 Title: By default use a functioning version of Java - openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed + openSUSE-11.4: Rejected by Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) + reject date: 2011-12-14 14:21:52 + reject reason: 11.4 is done already. Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Andrew Joakimsen (joak0) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: The "OpenJDK" version of Java is installed by default in openSUSE. This version of Java does not enjoy widespread compatibility. I have yet to find a site that properly works with this Java implemenaton and have promptly replaced it with a working Jave implemenation -- Sun. -   The installation of the working Java plugin should be via the same mechanism that is employed to install Flash plugin upon the first update to the system (pullin-flash-player package). -   Until the point in time it can be demonstrated that the OpenJDK implementation can work with >= 95% of Java applets encountered in "the real world" it should not be included by default in OpenSUSE. I think it is a way better out-of-box experiance for users to have to install Java (just like in Windows) vs. appear to have Java but "Java is broken in openSUSE" I doubt many non-technical users can understand the difference. Discussion: #1: Vadim Krevs (vkrevs) (2010-08-08 16:03:25) IMHO, the version of Java installed by default should be the latest  supported by the latest released Eclipse SDK. #2: Kjetil Kilhavn (kjetil_kilhavn) (2010-08-12 09:41:05) I agree with Andrew - until OpenJDK works flawlessly with solutions such as secure login to online banking etc it should be replaced by the original Java implementation. Online banking - as well as online gambling and other secure online transactions e.g. with the authorities to deliver tax papers etc - are killer applications for ordinary users. For those users, it is important that openSUSE.org works out of the box. #3: Michal Vyskocil (mvyskocil) (2011-12-14 14:05:19) Andreas, as you know the status around java, can you please drop this feature? + #4: Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) (2011-12-14 14:22:57) (reply to #3) + Rejected. Openjdk is the only one we have a license to redistribute. It + has also matured in the meantime. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310263