Feature changed by: Thorsten Kukuk (kukuk) Feature #314594, revision 3 Title: Drop ISDN support Requested by: Thorsten Kukuk (kukuk) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: ISDN package still depends on SuSEconfig, there is nobody who is able - to adjust the code, ISDN is getting less and less important. + to adjust the code, ISDN is getting less and less important. We need a + decission very fast, since this either blocks work for SLE12 or we + would need to waste quite some not available resources. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: Porting ISDN code to SLE12/current openSUSE release and integrate it in the planned new installer would bind a lot of resources and made some code very complicated. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/314594

Feature changed by: Joachim Werner (joachimwerner) Feature #314594, revision 6 Title: Drop ISDN support Requested by: Thorsten Kukuk (kukuk) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: ISDN package still depends on SuSEconfig, there is nobody who is able to adjust the code, ISDN is getting less and less important. We need a decission very fast, since this either blocks work for SLE12 or we would need to waste quite some not available resources. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: Porting ISDN code to SLE12/current openSUSE release and integrate it in the planned new installer would bind a lot of resources and made some code very complicated. Discussion: #1: Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) (2012-11-07 08:50:23) i4l-base does not use SuSEconfig directly any more: Thu Oct 18 16:28:46 UTC 2012 - max@suse.com - Make SuSEconfig.isdn a standalone script and rename/move it to /etc/sysconfig/isdn/scripts/postprocess.isdn . + #2: Joachim Werner (joachimwerner) (2013-07-31 12:28:32) + Thorsten, this request is about dropping all ISDN support on SLE 12, + not just the YaST configuration, right? + Before deciding on this we need to understand whether there is a + business case for SLES-based software-defined ISDN phone exchanges that + would need built-in ISDN support (vs. ISDN support being added by the + partner shipping the phone exchange server) and that can not be covered + by SLES 11 for the remainder of ISDN's lifecycle. + Do we have any supporting facts? -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/314594

Feature changed by: Reinhard Max (rmax) Feature #314594, revision 11 Title: Drop ISDN support Requested by: Thorsten Kukuk (kukuk) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: ISDN package still depends on SuSEconfig, there is nobody who is able to adjust the code, ISDN is getting less and less important. We need a decission very fast, since this either blocks work for SLE12 or we would need to waste quite some not available resources. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: Porting ISDN code to SLE12/current openSUSE release and integrate it in the planned new installer would bind a lot of resources and made some code very complicated. Discussion: #1: Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) (2012-11-07 08:50:23) i4l-base does not use SuSEconfig directly any more: Thu Oct 18 16:28:46 UTC 2012 - max@suse.com - Make SuSEconfig.isdn a standalone script and rename/move it to /etc/sysconfig/isdn/scripts/postprocess.isdn . #2: Joachim Werner (joachimwerner) (2013-07-31 12:28:32) Thorsten, this request is about dropping all ISDN support on SLE 12, not just the YaST configuration, right? Before deciding on this we need to understand whether there is a business case for SLES-based software-defined ISDN phone exchanges that would need built-in ISDN support (vs. ISDN support being added by the partner shipping the phone exchange server) and that can not be covered by SLES 11 for the remainder of ISDN's lifecycle. Do we have any supporting facts? #5: Ludwig Nussel (lnussel) (2013-08-07 10:42:19) What's the status of this? i4l-base is still in Factory + #7: Reinhard Max (rmax) (2013-08-07 13:08:08) (reply to #5) + I thought this is only about excluding it from the SLE12 media, so that + we don't have to support it for a long time, but I wouldn't drop it + from Factory as long as it works and doesn't need much effort to keep + it that way. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/314594

Feature changed by: Jiri Srain (jsrain) Feature #314594, revision 13 Title: Drop ISDN support Requested by: Thorsten Kukuk (kukuk) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: ISDN package still depends on SuSEconfig, there is nobody who is able to adjust the code, ISDN is getting less and less important. We need a decission very fast, since this either blocks work for SLE12 or we would need to waste quite some not available resources. Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: Porting ISDN code to SLE12/current openSUSE release and integrate it in the planned new installer would bind a lot of resources and made some code very complicated. Discussion: #1: Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) (2012-11-07 08:50:23) i4l-base does not use SuSEconfig directly any more: Thu Oct 18 16:28:46 UTC 2012 - max@suse.com - Make SuSEconfig.isdn a standalone script and rename/move it to /etc/sysconfig/isdn/scripts/postprocess.isdn . #2: Joachim Werner (joachimwerner) (2013-07-31 12:28:32) Thorsten, this request is about dropping all ISDN support on SLE 12, not just the YaST configuration, right? Before deciding on this we need to understand whether there is a business case for SLES-based software-defined ISDN phone exchanges that would need built-in ISDN support (vs. ISDN support being added by the partner shipping the phone exchange server) and that can not be covered by SLES 11 for the remainder of ISDN's lifecycle. Do we have any supporting facts? #5: Ludwig Nussel (lnussel) (2013-08-07 10:42:19) What's the status of this? i4l-base is still in Factory #7: Reinhard Max (rmax) (2013-08-07 13:08:08) (reply to #5) I thought this is only about excluding it from the SLE12 media, so that we don't have to support it for a long time, but I wouldn't drop it from Factory as long as it works and doesn't need much effort to keep it that way. #9: Stefan Behlert (sbehlert) (2013-08-13 12:59:45) Lukas, assigning to you as Eng.Mgr. as yast2-network at least is affected. There might be more yast-dependencies, but I hope not. + #10: Jiri Srain (jsrain) (2013-08-13 13:11:23) (reply to #9) + Stefan, we have a separate feature for dropping ISDN support from YaST + (I think we have even two). -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/314594

Feature changed by: Antoine Ginies (aginies) Feature #314594, revision 15 Title: Drop ISDN support Requested by: Thorsten Kukuk (kukuk) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: ISDN package still depends on SuSEconfig, there is nobody who is able to adjust the code, ISDN is getting less and less important. We need a decission very fast, since this either blocks work for SLE12 or we would need to waste quite some not available resources. Relations: - Drop ISDN configuration from yast2-network (feature/id: 308681) - Get rid of SuSEconfig.isdn (feature/id: 313543) + Documentation Impact: + RN and documentation Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: Porting ISDN code to SLE12/current openSUSE release and integrate it in the planned new installer would bind a lot of resources and made some code very complicated. Discussion: #1: Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) (2012-11-07 08:50:23) i4l-base does not use SuSEconfig directly any more: Thu Oct 18 16:28:46 UTC 2012 - max@suse.com - Make SuSEconfig.isdn a standalone script and rename/move it to /etc/sysconfig/isdn/scripts/postprocess.isdn . #2: Joachim Werner (joachimwerner) (2013-07-31 12:28:32) Thorsten, this request is about dropping all ISDN support on SLE 12, not just the YaST configuration, right? Before deciding on this we need to understand whether there is a business case for SLES-based software-defined ISDN phone exchanges that would need built-in ISDN support (vs. ISDN support being added by the partner shipping the phone exchange server) and that can not be covered by SLES 11 for the remainder of ISDN's lifecycle. Do we have any supporting facts? #5: Ludwig Nussel (lnussel) (2013-08-07 10:42:19) What's the status of this? i4l-base is still in Factory #7: Reinhard Max (rmax) (2013-08-07 13:08:08) (reply to #5) I thought this is only about excluding it from the SLE12 media, so that we don't have to support it for a long time, but I wouldn't drop it from Factory as long as it works and doesn't need much effort to keep it that way. #9: Stefan Behlert (sbehlert) (2013-08-13 12:59:45) Lukas, assigning to you as Eng.Mgr. as yast2-network at least is affected. There might be more yast-dependencies, but I hope not. #10: Jiri Srain (jsrain) (2013-08-13 13:11:23) (reply to #9) Stefan, we have a separate feature for dropping ISDN support from YaST (I think we have even two). #11: Stefan Behlert (sbehlert) (2013-08-13 13:24:15) (reply to #10) Argh. ok, then I'll move that back to me fro the droping part. Thanks, missed that. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/314594

Feature changed by: Stefan Behlert (sbehlert) Feature #314594, revision 19 Title: Drop ISDN support Requested by: Thorsten Kukuk (kukuk) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: ISDN package still depends on SuSEconfig, there is nobody who is able to adjust the code, ISDN is getting less and less important. We need a decission very fast, since this either blocks work for SLE12 or we would need to waste quite some not available resources. + References: + Packages: -i4l-base, -i4lfirm, -i4l-isdnlog, -i4l-vbox, -capi4linux, - + susevbox, yast2-network Relations: - Drop ISDN configuration from yast2-network (feature/id: 308681) - Get rid of SuSEconfig.isdn (feature/id: 313543) Documentation Impact: RN and documentation Administration Guide Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: Porting ISDN code to SLE12/current openSUSE release and integrate it in the planned new installer would bind a lot of resources and made some code very complicated. Discussion: #1: Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) (2012-11-07 08:50:23) i4l-base does not use SuSEconfig directly any more: Thu Oct 18 16:28:46 UTC 2012 - max@suse.com - Make SuSEconfig.isdn a standalone script and rename/move it to /etc/sysconfig/isdn/scripts/postprocess.isdn . #2: Joachim Werner (joachimwerner) (2013-07-31 12:28:32) Thorsten, this request is about dropping all ISDN support on SLE 12, not just the YaST configuration, right? Before deciding on this we need to understand whether there is a business case for SLES-based software-defined ISDN phone exchanges that would need built-in ISDN support (vs. ISDN support being added by the partner shipping the phone exchange server) and that can not be covered by SLES 11 for the remainder of ISDN's lifecycle. Do we have any supporting facts? #5: Ludwig Nussel (lnussel) (2013-08-07 10:42:19) What's the status of this? i4l-base is still in Factory #7: Reinhard Max (rmax) (2013-08-07 13:08:08) (reply to #5) I thought this is only about excluding it from the SLE12 media, so that we don't have to support it for a long time, but I wouldn't drop it from Factory as long as it works and doesn't need much effort to keep it that way. #9: Stefan Behlert (sbehlert) (2013-08-13 12:59:45) Lukas, assigning to you as Eng.Mgr. as yast2-network at least is affected. There might be more yast-dependencies, but I hope not. #10: Jiri Srain (jsrain) (2013-08-13 13:11:23) (reply to #9) Stefan, we have a separate feature for dropping ISDN support from YaST (I think we have even two). #11: Stefan Behlert (sbehlert) (2013-08-13 13:24:15) (reply to #10) Argh. ok, then I'll move that back to me fro the droping part. Thanks, missed that. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/314594

Feature changed by: Stefan Behlert (sbehlert) Feature #314594, revision 24 Title: Drop ISDN support Requested by: Thorsten Kukuk (kukuk) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: ISDN package still depends on SuSEconfig, there is nobody who is able to adjust the code, ISDN is getting less and less important. We need a decission very fast, since this either blocks work for SLE12 or we would need to waste quite some not available resources. References: Packages: -i4l-base, -i4lfirm, -i4l-isdnlog, -i4l-vbox, -capi4linux, - susevbox, yast2-network Relations: - Drop ISDN configuration from yast2-network (feature/id: 308681) - Get rid of SuSEconfig.isdn (feature/id: 313543) Documentation Impact: - RN and documentation Administration Guide Test Case: To verify that in SLE-12 there is actually no longer the package i4lbase you could do the following: Install SLES-12 and SLED-12 and then run "zypper -v installi4lbase " and check that it is not available in our official repositories. Checking for that package should be enough Business case (Partner benefit): openSUSE.org: Porting ISDN code to SLE12/current openSUSE release and integrate it in the planned new installer would bind a lot of resources and made some code very complicated. Discussion: #1: Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) (2012-11-07 08:50:23) i4l-base does not use SuSEconfig directly any more: Thu Oct 18 16:28:46 UTC 2012 - max@suse.com - Make SuSEconfig.isdn a standalone script and rename/move it to /etc/sysconfig/isdn/scripts/postprocess.isdn . #2: Joachim Werner (joachimwerner) (2013-07-31 12:28:32) Thorsten, this request is about dropping all ISDN support on SLE 12, not just the YaST configuration, right? Before deciding on this we need to understand whether there is a business case for SLES-based software-defined ISDN phone exchanges that would need built-in ISDN support (vs. ISDN support being added by the partner shipping the phone exchange server) and that can not be covered by SLES 11 for the remainder of ISDN's lifecycle. Do we have any supporting facts? #5: Ludwig Nussel (lnussel) (2013-08-07 10:42:19) What's the status of this? i4l-base is still in Factory #7: Reinhard Max (rmax) (2013-08-07 13:08:08) (reply to #5) I thought this is only about excluding it from the SLE12 media, so that we don't have to support it for a long time, but I wouldn't drop it from Factory as long as it works and doesn't need much effort to keep it that way. #9: Stefan Behlert (sbehlert) (2013-08-13 12:59:45) Lukas, assigning to you as Eng.Mgr. as yast2-network at least is affected. There might be more yast-dependencies, but I hope not. #10: Jiri Srain (jsrain) (2013-08-13 13:11:23) (reply to #9) Stefan, we have a separate feature for dropping ISDN support from YaST (I think we have even two). #11: Stefan Behlert (sbehlert) (2013-08-13 13:24:15) (reply to #10) Argh. ok, then I'll move that back to me fro the droping part. Thanks, missed that. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/314594