[openFate 305144] [Feature-request] Yast as a Linux learning tool
Feature added by: Arvin Schnell
Feature changed by: Matthias Eckermann
Feature changed by: Federico Lucifredi
Feature changed by: Matthias Eckermann
Feature changed by: Michael Loeffler
Feature changed by: Stanislav Visnovsky
Feature changed by: Federico Lucifredi
Feature changed by: Martin Schmidkunz
Feature changed by: Christoph Thiel (cthiel1) Feature #305144, revision 18 Title: Yast as a Linux learning tool openSUSE-11.1: Rejected by Stanislav Visnovsky (visnov) reject date: 2008-09-11 11:59:56 reject reason: Postponing. Priority Requester: Desirable openSUSE-11.2: Evaluation Priority Requester: Desirable + Projectmanager: Desirable Requested by: Alexey Eremenko (fenixnbk) Requested by: Matthias Eckermann (mge1512) Description: Hi All ! I Have very good new idea: converting Yast into a Linux learning tool. This is very simple to achieve: Yast must show the commands it executes and files it modifies, in a nice GUI dialog. It will allow all kinds of Linux users understand how things really work. Enable learn new things or remind how old-but-forgotten things work for seasoned people. Great, isn't it ? P.S. Jay Vollmer recommends, that among the commands that Yast shows as it executing, it should also recommend "man pages" for the relevant underlying commands. -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov", 29.jul.2008. Relations: - [Feature-request] Yast as a Linux learning tool (novell/bugzilla/id: 412933) https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=412933 Discussion: #1: Alexey Eremenko (fenixnbk) (2008-07-29 12:09:11) Rajko M. wrote: If one wants to see what is gong on in background, than look at logs in realtime. There is console (Konsole) and command tail. Run as root: tail -f /var/log/YaST2/y2log and then start YaST and play with. -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov", 29.jul.2008. #2: Jerry Houston (effjay) (2008-07-29 15:41:34) Sounds like a great way for new users to learn more about what's under the hood. Or, what's under the bonnet, for the Brits. #3: Cyril Hrubis (metan) (2008-07-31 07:11:21) Moving to maintainers to decide. #7: Federico Lucifredi (flucifredi) (2008-08-01 19:35:40) It is kinda late for 11.1, but it is an idea worth pursuing. #8: Michael Löffler (michl19) (2008-08-15 16:32:56) agreeing with Federico this might be to late for 11.1 but should be accomplished with 11.2 #9: Stanislav Visnovsky (visnov) (2008-09-11 11:59:01) What we will have for 11.1 is the infrastructure for YaST modules to write this information into /var/log/YaST2/y2changes log file. So far, no YaST module has support for this, but it can be added gradually. Thus, postponing for 11.2. #10: Federico Lucifredi (flucifredi) (2009-01-07 19:45:36) At engineering's discretion, we can start working on this. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/305144
Feature changed by: Christoph Thiel (cthiel1) Feature #305144, revision 21 Title: Yast as a Linux learning tool openSUSE-11.1: Rejected by Stanislav Visnovsky (visnov) reject date: 2008-09-11 11:59:56 reject reason: Postponing. Priority Requester: Desirable - openSUSE-11.2: Evaluation + openSUSE-11.2: Rejected by Christoph Thiel (cthiel1) + reject date: 2009-07-16 17:56:25 + reject reason: out of resources for 11.2. Priority Requester: Desirable Projectmanager: Desirable + openSUSE-11.3: New + Priority + Requester: Desirable Requested by: Alexey Eremenko (fenixnbk) Requested by: Matthias Eckermann (mge1512) Description: Hi All ! I Have very good new idea: converting Yast into a Linux learning tool. This is very simple to achieve: Yast must show the commands it executes and files it modifies, in a nice GUI dialog. It will allow all kinds of Linux users understand how things really work. Enable learn new things or remind how old-but-forgotten things work for seasoned people. Great, isn't it ? P.S. Jay Vollmer recommends, that among the commands that Yast shows as it executing, it should also recommend "man pages" for the relevant underlying commands. -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov", 29.jul.2008. Relations: - [Feature-request] Yast as a Linux learning tool (novell/bugzilla/id: 412933) https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=412933 Discussion: #1: Alexey Eremenko (fenixnbk) (2008-07-29 12:09:11) Rajko M. wrote: If one wants to see what is gong on in background, than look at logs in realtime. There is console (Konsole) and command tail. Run as root: tail -f /var/log/YaST2/y2log and then start YaST and play with. -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov", 29.jul.2008. #2: Jerry Houston (effjay) (2008-07-29 15:41:34) Sounds like a great way for new users to learn more about what's under the hood. Or, what's under the bonnet, for the Brits. #3: Cyril Hrubis (metan) (2008-07-31 07:11:21) Moving to maintainers to decide. #7: Federico Lucifredi (flucifredi) (2008-08-01 19:35:40) It is kinda late for 11.1, but it is an idea worth pursuing. #8: Michael Löffler (michl19) (2008-08-15 16:32:56) agreeing with Federico this might be to late for 11.1 but should be accomplished with 11.2 #9: Stanislav Visnovsky (visnov) (2008-09-11 11:59:01) What we will have for 11.1 is the infrastructure for YaST modules to write this information into /var/log/YaST2/y2changes log file. So far, no YaST module has support for this, but it can be added gradually. Thus, postponing for 11.2. #10: Federico Lucifredi (flucifredi) (2009-01-07 19:45:36) At engineering's discretion, we can start working on this. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/305144
Feature changed by: Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) Feature #305144, revision 26 Title: Yast as a Linux learning tool openSUSE-11.1: Rejected by Stanislav Visnovsky (visnov) reject date: 2008-09-11 11:59:56 reject reason: Postponing. Priority Requester: Desirable openSUSE-11.2: Rejected by Christoph Thiel (cthiel1) reject date: 2009-07-16 17:56:25 reject reason: out of resources for 11.2. Priority Requester: Desirable Projectmanager: Desirable - openSUSE-11.3: New + openSUSE-11.3: Evaluation Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Alexey Eremenko (fenixnbk) Requested by: Matthias Eckermann (mge1512) Description: Hi All ! I Have very good new idea: converting Yast into a Linux learning tool. This is very simple to achieve: Yast must show the commands it executes and files it modifies, in a nice GUI dialog. It will allow all kinds of Linux users understand how things really work. Enable learn new things or remind how old-but-forgotten things work for seasoned people. Great, isn't it ? P.S. Jay Vollmer recommends, that among the commands that Yast shows as it executing, it should also recommend "man pages" for the relevant underlying commands. -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov", 29.jul.2008. Relations: - [Feature-request] Yast as a Linux learning tool (novell/bugzilla/id: 412933) https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=412933 Discussion: #1: Alexey Eremenko (fenixnbk) (2008-07-29 12:09:11) Rajko M. wrote: If one wants to see what is gong on in background, than look at logs in realtime. There is console (Konsole) and command tail. Run as root: tail -f /var/log/YaST2/y2log and then start YaST and play with. -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov", 29.jul.2008. #2: Jerry Houston (effjay) (2008-07-29 15:41:34) Sounds like a great way for new users to learn more about what's under the hood. Or, what's under the bonnet, for the Brits. #3: Cyril Hrubis (metan) (2008-07-31 07:11:21) Moving to maintainers to decide. #7: Federico Lucifredi (flucifredi) (2008-08-01 19:35:40) It is kinda late for 11.1, but it is an idea worth pursuing. #8: Michael Löffler (michl19) (2008-08-15 16:32:56) agreeing with Federico this might be to late for 11.1 but should be accomplished with 11.2 #9: Stanislav Visnovsky (visnov) (2008-09-11 11:59:01) What we will have for 11.1 is the infrastructure for YaST modules to write this information into /var/log/YaST2/y2changes log file. So far, no YaST module has support for this, but it can be added gradually. Thus, postponing for 11.2. #10: Federico Lucifredi (flucifredi) (2009-01-07 19:45:36) At engineering's discretion, we can start working on this. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/305144
Feature changed by: Barry Nichols (Barry_Nichols) Feature #305144, revision 27 Title: Yast as a Linux learning tool openSUSE-11.1: Rejected by Stanislav Visnovsky (visnov) reject date: 2008-09-11 11:59:56 reject reason: Postponing. Priority Requester: Desirable openSUSE-11.2: Rejected by Christoph Thiel (cthiel1) reject date: 2009-07-16 17:56:25 reject reason: out of resources for 11.2. Priority Requester: Desirable Projectmanager: Desirable openSUSE-11.3: Evaluation Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Alexey Eremenko (fenixnbk) Requested by: Matthias Eckermann (mge1512) Description: Hi All ! I Have very good new idea: converting Yast into a Linux learning tool. This is very simple to achieve: Yast must show the commands it executes and files it modifies, in a nice GUI dialog. It will allow all kinds of Linux users understand how things really work. Enable learn new things or remind how old-but-forgotten things work for seasoned people. Great, isn't it ? P.S. Jay Vollmer recommends, that among the commands that Yast shows as it executing, it should also recommend "man pages" for the relevant underlying commands. -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov", 29.jul.2008. Relations: - [Feature-request] Yast as a Linux learning tool (novell/bugzilla/id: 412933) https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=412933 Discussion: #1: Alexey Eremenko (fenixnbk) (2008-07-29 12:09:11) Rajko M. wrote: If one wants to see what is gong on in background, than look at logs in realtime. There is console (Konsole) and command tail. Run as root: tail -f /var/log/YaST2/y2log and then start YaST and play with. -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov", 29.jul.2008. #2: Jerry Houston (effjay) (2008-07-29 15:41:34) Sounds like a great way for new users to learn more about what's under the hood. Or, what's under the bonnet, for the Brits. #3: Cyril Hrubis (metan) (2008-07-31 07:11:21) Moving to maintainers to decide. #7: Federico Lucifredi (flucifredi) (2008-08-01 19:35:40) It is kinda late for 11.1, but it is an idea worth pursuing. #8: Michael Löffler (michl19) (2008-08-15 16:32:56) agreeing with Federico this might be to late for 11.1 but should be accomplished with 11.2 #9: Stanislav Visnovsky (visnov) (2008-09-11 11:59:01) What we will have for 11.1 is the infrastructure for YaST modules to write this information into /var/log/YaST2/y2changes log file. So far, no YaST module has support for this, but it can be added gradually. Thus, postponing for 11.2. #10: Federico Lucifredi (flucifredi) (2009-01-07 19:45:36) At engineering's discretion, we can start working on this. + #13: Barry Nichols (barry_nichols) (2010-07-08 07:26:38) + I believe that YaST is a great tool to provide a level of abstraction + between a user who doesn't care what files need to be edited to change + things; however, a user wishing to become more knowledgeable about how + GNU/Linux works would do better to read about it. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/305144
Feature changed by: jpxviii jpxviii (jpxviii) Feature #305144, revision 28 Title: Yast as a Linux learning tool openSUSE-11.1: Rejected by Stanislav Visnovsky (visnov) reject date: 2008-09-11 11:59:56 reject reason: Postponing. Priority Requester: Desirable openSUSE-11.2: Rejected by Christoph Thiel (cthiel1) reject date: 2009-07-16 17:56:25 reject reason: out of resources for 11.2. Priority Requester: Desirable Projectmanager: Desirable openSUSE-11.3: Evaluation Priority Requester: Desirable + openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed + Priority + Requester: Important Requested by: Alexey Eremenko (fenixnbk) Requested by: Matthias Eckermann (mge1512) Description: Hi All ! I Have very good new idea: converting Yast into a Linux learning tool. This is very simple to achieve: Yast must show the commands it executes and files it modifies, in a nice GUI dialog. It will allow all kinds of Linux users understand how things really work. Enable learn new things or remind how old-but-forgotten things work for seasoned people. Great, isn't it ? P.S. Jay Vollmer recommends, that among the commands that Yast shows as it executing, it should also recommend "man pages" for the relevant underlying commands. -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov", 29.jul.2008. Relations: - [Feature-request] Yast as a Linux learning tool (novell/bugzilla/id: 412933) https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=412933 Discussion: #1: Alexey Eremenko (fenixnbk) (2008-07-29 12:09:11) Rajko M. wrote: If one wants to see what is gong on in background, than look at logs in realtime. There is console (Konsole) and command tail. Run as root: tail -f /var/log/YaST2/y2log and then start YaST and play with. -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov", 29.jul.2008. #2: Jerry Houston (effjay) (2008-07-29 15:41:34) Sounds like a great way for new users to learn more about what's under the hood. Or, what's under the bonnet, for the Brits. #3: Cyril Hrubis (metan) (2008-07-31 07:11:21) Moving to maintainers to decide. #7: Federico Lucifredi (flucifredi) (2008-08-01 19:35:40) It is kinda late for 11.1, but it is an idea worth pursuing. #8: Michael Löffler (michl19) (2008-08-15 16:32:56) agreeing with Federico this might be to late for 11.1 but should be accomplished with 11.2 #9: Stanislav Visnovsky (visnov) (2008-09-11 11:59:01) What we will have for 11.1 is the infrastructure for YaST modules to write this information into /var/log/YaST2/y2changes log file. So far, no YaST module has support for this, but it can be added gradually. Thus, postponing for 11.2. #10: Federico Lucifredi (flucifredi) (2009-01-07 19:45:36) At engineering's discretion, we can start working on this. #13: Barry Nichols (barry_nichols) (2010-07-08 07:26:38) I believe that YaST is a great tool to provide a level of abstraction between a user who doesn't care what files need to be edited to change things; however, a user wishing to become more knowledgeable about how GNU/Linux works would do better to read about it. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/305144
Feature changed by: jpxviii jpxviii (jpxviii) Feature #305144, revision 29 Title: Yast as a Linux learning tool + Hackweek V: Unconfirmed + Priority + Requester: Important openSUSE-11.1: Rejected by Stanislav Visnovsky (visnov) reject date: 2008-09-11 11:59:56 reject reason: Postponing. Priority Requester: Desirable openSUSE-11.2: Rejected by Christoph Thiel (cthiel1) reject date: 2009-07-16 17:56:25 reject reason: out of resources for 11.2. Priority Requester: Desirable Projectmanager: Desirable openSUSE-11.3: Evaluation Priority Requester: Desirable openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Alexey Eremenko (fenixnbk) Requested by: Matthias Eckermann (mge1512) Description: Hi All ! I Have very good new idea: converting Yast into a Linux learning tool. This is very simple to achieve: Yast must show the commands it executes and files it modifies, in a nice GUI dialog. It will allow all kinds of Linux users understand how things really work. Enable learn new things or remind how old-but-forgotten things work for seasoned people. Great, isn't it ? P.S. Jay Vollmer recommends, that among the commands that Yast shows as it executing, it should also recommend "man pages" for the relevant underlying commands. -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov", 29.jul.2008. Relations: - [Feature-request] Yast as a Linux learning tool (novell/bugzilla/id: 412933) https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=412933 Discussion: #1: Alexey Eremenko (fenixnbk) (2008-07-29 12:09:11) Rajko M. wrote: If one wants to see what is gong on in background, than look at logs in realtime. There is console (Konsole) and command tail. Run as root: tail -f /var/log/YaST2/y2log and then start YaST and play with. -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov", 29.jul.2008. #2: Jerry Houston (effjay) (2008-07-29 15:41:34) Sounds like a great way for new users to learn more about what's under the hood. Or, what's under the bonnet, for the Brits. #3: Cyril Hrubis (metan) (2008-07-31 07:11:21) Moving to maintainers to decide. #7: Federico Lucifredi (flucifredi) (2008-08-01 19:35:40) It is kinda late for 11.1, but it is an idea worth pursuing. #8: Michael Löffler (michl19) (2008-08-15 16:32:56) agreeing with Federico this might be to late for 11.1 but should be accomplished with 11.2 #9: Stanislav Visnovsky (visnov) (2008-09-11 11:59:01) What we will have for 11.1 is the infrastructure for YaST modules to write this information into /var/log/YaST2/y2changes log file. So far, no YaST module has support for this, but it can be added gradually. Thus, postponing for 11.2. #10: Federico Lucifredi (flucifredi) (2009-01-07 19:45:36) At engineering's discretion, we can start working on this. #13: Barry Nichols (barry_nichols) (2010-07-08 07:26:38) I believe that YaST is a great tool to provide a level of abstraction between a user who doesn't care what files need to be edited to change things; however, a user wishing to become more knowledgeable about how GNU/Linux works would do better to read about it. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/305144
Feature changed by: seleko seleko (seleko) Feature #305144, revision 30 Title: Yast as a Linux learning tool Hackweek V: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important openSUSE-11.1: Rejected by Stanislav Visnovsky (visnov) reject date: 2008-09-11 11:59:56 reject reason: Postponing. Priority Requester: Desirable openSUSE-11.2: Rejected by Christoph Thiel (cthiel1) reject date: 2009-07-16 17:56:25 reject reason: out of resources for 11.2. Priority Requester: Desirable Projectmanager: Desirable openSUSE-11.3: Evaluation Priority Requester: Desirable openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Alexey Eremenko (fenixnbk) Requested by: Matthias Eckermann (mge1512) Description: Hi All ! I Have very good new idea: converting Yast into a Linux learning tool. This is very simple to achieve: Yast must show the commands it executes and files it modifies, in a nice GUI dialog. It will allow all kinds of Linux users understand how things really work. Enable learn new things or remind how old-but-forgotten things work for seasoned people. Great, isn't it ? P.S. Jay Vollmer recommends, that among the commands that Yast shows as it executing, it should also recommend "man pages" for the relevant underlying commands. -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov", 29.jul.2008. Relations: - [Feature-request] Yast as a Linux learning tool (novell/bugzilla/id: 412933) https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=412933 Discussion: #1: Alexey Eremenko (fenixnbk) (2008-07-29 12:09:11) Rajko M. wrote: If one wants to see what is gong on in background, than look at logs in realtime. There is console (Konsole) and command tail. Run as root: tail -f /var/log/YaST2/y2log and then start YaST and play with. -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov", 29.jul.2008. #2: Jerry Houston (effjay) (2008-07-29 15:41:34) Sounds like a great way for new users to learn more about what's under the hood. Or, what's under the bonnet, for the Brits. #3: Cyril Hrubis (metan) (2008-07-31 07:11:21) Moving to maintainers to decide. #7: Federico Lucifredi (flucifredi) (2008-08-01 19:35:40) It is kinda late for 11.1, but it is an idea worth pursuing. #8: Michael Löffler (michl19) (2008-08-15 16:32:56) agreeing with Federico this might be to late for 11.1 but should be accomplished with 11.2 #9: Stanislav Visnovsky (visnov) (2008-09-11 11:59:01) What we will have for 11.1 is the infrastructure for YaST modules to write this information into /var/log/YaST2/y2changes log file. So far, no YaST module has support for this, but it can be added gradually. Thus, postponing for 11.2. #10: Federico Lucifredi (flucifredi) (2009-01-07 19:45:36) At engineering's discretion, we can start working on this. #13: Barry Nichols (barry_nichols) (2010-07-08 07:26:38) I believe that YaST is a great tool to provide a level of abstraction between a user who doesn't care what files need to be edited to change things; however, a user wishing to become more knowledgeable about how GNU/Linux works would do better to read about it. + #14: seleko seleko (seleko) (2010-08-20 09:46:36) + Its the way SMIT in AIX works... + Im really not so sure its good idea. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/305144
Feature changed by: Gábor Nyers (gnyers) Feature #305144, revision 32 Title: Yast as a Linux learning tool Hackweek V: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important openSUSE-11.1: Rejected by Stanislav Visnovsky (visnov) reject date: 2008-09-11 11:59:56 reject reason: Postponing. Priority Requester: Desirable openSUSE-11.2: Rejected by Christoph Thiel (cthiel1) reject date: 2009-07-16 17:56:25 reject reason: out of resources for 11.2. Priority Requester: Desirable Projectmanager: Desirable openSUSE-11.3: Evaluation Priority Requester: Desirable openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Alexey Eremenko (fenixnbk) Requested by: Matthias Eckermann (mge1512) Description: Hi All ! I Have very good new idea: converting Yast into a Linux learning tool. This is very simple to achieve: Yast must show the commands it executes and files it modifies, in a nice GUI dialog. It will allow all kinds of Linux users understand how things really work. Enable learn new things or remind how old-but-forgotten things work for seasoned people. Great, isn't it ? P.S. Jay Vollmer recommends, that among the commands that Yast shows as it executing, it should also recommend "man pages" for the relevant underlying commands. -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov", 29.jul.2008. Relations: - [Feature-request] Yast as a Linux learning tool (novell/bugzilla/id: 412933) https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=412933 Discussion: #1: Alexey Eremenko (fenixnbk) (2008-07-29 12:09:11) Rajko M. wrote: If one wants to see what is gong on in background, than look at logs in realtime. There is console (Konsole) and command tail. Run as root: tail -f /var/log/YaST2/y2log and then start YaST and play with. -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov", 29.jul.2008. #2: Jerry Houston (effjay) (2008-07-29 15:41:34) Sounds like a great way for new users to learn more about what's under the hood. Or, what's under the bonnet, for the Brits. #3: Cyril Hrubis (metan) (2008-07-31 07:11:21) Moving to maintainers to decide. #7: Federico Lucifredi (flucifredi) (2008-08-01 19:35:40) It is kinda late for 11.1, but it is an idea worth pursuing. #8: Michael Löffler (michl19) (2008-08-15 16:32:56) agreeing with Federico this might be to late for 11.1 but should be accomplished with 11.2 #9: Stanislav Visnovsky (visnov) (2008-09-11 11:59:01) What we will have for 11.1 is the infrastructure for YaST modules to write this information into /var/log/YaST2/y2changes log file. So far, no YaST module has support for this, but it can be added gradually. Thus, postponing for 11.2. #10: Federico Lucifredi (flucifredi) (2009-01-07 19:45:36) At engineering's discretion, we can start working on this. #13: Barry Nichols (barry_nichols) (2010-07-08 07:26:38) I believe that YaST is a great tool to provide a level of abstraction between a user who doesn't care what files need to be edited to change things; however, a user wishing to become more knowledgeable about how GNU/Linux works would do better to read about it. #14: seleko seleko (seleko) (2010-08-20 09:46:36) Its the way SMIT in AIX works... Im really not so sure its good idea. + #15: Gábor Nyers (gnyers) (2010-08-24 23:16:29) + It seems a useful addition to me... Beside the educational aspect the + trasparancy of it could win a lot of appreciation. Being able to see + what YaST is doing would increase the sense of control, not in the + least for admins who are more familiar with other distro's. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/305144
Feature changed by: Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) Feature #305144, revision 33 Title: Yast as a Linux learning tool - Hackweek V: Unconfirmed + openSUSE-11.1: Rejected Priority - Requester: Important - openSUSE-11.1: Rejected by Stanislav Visnovsky (visnov) - reject date: 2008-09-11 11:59:56 - reject reason: Postponing. - Priority Requester: Desirable openSUSE-11.2: Rejected by Christoph Thiel (cthiel1) reject date: 2009-07-16 17:56:25 reject reason: out of resources for 11.2. Priority Requester: Desirable Projectmanager: Desirable - openSUSE-11.3: Evaluation + openSUSE-11.3: Rejected by Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) + reject date: 2010-11-08 16:25:26 + reject reason: not done. Priority Requester: Desirable openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Alexey Eremenko (fenixnbk) Requested by: Matthias Eckermann (mge1512) Description: Hi All ! I Have very good new idea: converting Yast into a Linux learning tool. This is very simple to achieve: Yast must show the commands it executes and files it modifies, in a nice GUI dialog. It will allow all kinds of Linux users understand how things really work. Enable learn new things or remind how old-but-forgotten things work for seasoned people. Great, isn't it ? P.S. Jay Vollmer recommends, that among the commands that Yast shows as it executing, it should also recommend "man pages" for the relevant underlying commands. -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov", 29.jul.2008. Relations: - [Feature-request] Yast as a Linux learning tool (novell/bugzilla/id: 412933) https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=412933 Discussion: #1: Alexey Eremenko (fenixnbk) (2008-07-29 12:09:11) Rajko M. wrote: If one wants to see what is gong on in background, than look at logs in realtime. There is console (Konsole) and command tail. Run as root: tail -f /var/log/YaST2/y2log and then start YaST and play with. -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov", 29.jul.2008. #2: Jerry Houston (effjay) (2008-07-29 15:41:34) Sounds like a great way for new users to learn more about what's under the hood. Or, what's under the bonnet, for the Brits. #3: Cyril Hrubis (metan) (2008-07-31 07:11:21) Moving to maintainers to decide. #7: Federico Lucifredi (flucifredi) (2008-08-01 19:35:40) It is kinda late for 11.1, but it is an idea worth pursuing. #8: Michael Löffler (michl19) (2008-08-15 16:32:56) agreeing with Federico this might be to late for 11.1 but should be accomplished with 11.2 #9: Stanislav Visnovsky (visnov) (2008-09-11 11:59:01) What we will have for 11.1 is the infrastructure for YaST modules to write this information into /var/log/YaST2/y2changes log file. So far, no YaST module has support for this, but it can be added gradually. Thus, postponing for 11.2. #10: Federico Lucifredi (flucifredi) (2009-01-07 19:45:36) At engineering's discretion, we can start working on this. #13: Barry Nichols (barry_nichols) (2010-07-08 07:26:38) I believe that YaST is a great tool to provide a level of abstraction between a user who doesn't care what files need to be edited to change things; however, a user wishing to become more knowledgeable about how GNU/Linux works would do better to read about it. #14: seleko seleko (seleko) (2010-08-20 09:46:36) Its the way SMIT in AIX works... Im really not so sure its good idea. #15: Gábor Nyers (gnyers) (2010-08-24 23:16:29) It seems a useful addition to me... Beside the educational aspect the trasparancy of it could win a lot of appreciation. Being able to see what YaST is doing would increase the sense of control, not in the least for admins who are more familiar with other distro's. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/305144
Feature changed by: Roger Luedecke (Shadowolf7) Feature #305144, revision 34 Title: Yast as a Linux learning tool openSUSE-11.1: Rejected Priority Requester: Desirable openSUSE-11.2: Rejected by Christoph Thiel (cthiel1) reject date: 2009-07-16 17:56:25 reject reason: out of resources for 11.2. Priority Requester: Desirable Projectmanager: Desirable openSUSE-11.3: Rejected by Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) reject date: 2010-11-08 16:25:26 reject reason: not done. Priority Requester: Desirable openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Alexey Eremenko (fenixnbk) Requested by: Matthias Eckermann (mge1512) Product Manager: (Novell) Project Manager: (Novell) Project Manager: (Novell) Engineering Manager: (Novell) Engineering Manager: (Novell) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Hi All ! I Have very good new idea: converting Yast into a Linux learning tool. This is very simple to achieve: Yast must show the commands it executes and files it modifies, in a nice GUI dialog. It will allow all kinds of Linux users understand how things really work. Enable learn new things or remind how old-but-forgotten things work for seasoned people. Great, isn't it ? P.S. Jay Vollmer recommends, that among the commands that Yast shows as it executing, it should also recommend "man pages" for the relevant underlying commands. -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov", 29.jul.2008. Relations: - [Feature-request] Yast as a Linux learning tool (novell/bugzilla/id: 412933) https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=412933 Discussion: #1: Alexey Eremenko (fenixnbk) (2008-07-29 12:09:11) Rajko M. wrote: If one wants to see what is gong on in background, than look at logs in realtime. There is console (Konsole) and command tail. Run as root: tail -f /var/log/YaST2/y2log and then start YaST and play with. -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov", 29.jul.2008. #2: Jerry Houston (effjay) (2008-07-29 15:41:34) Sounds like a great way for new users to learn more about what's under the hood. Or, what's under the bonnet, for the Brits. #3: Cyril Hrubis (metan) (2008-07-31 07:11:21) Moving to maintainers to decide. #7: Federico Lucifredi (flucifredi) (2008-08-01 19:35:40) It is kinda late for 11.1, but it is an idea worth pursuing. #8: Michael Löffler (michl19) (2008-08-15 16:32:56) agreeing with Federico this might be to late for 11.1 but should be accomplished with 11.2 #9: Stanislav Visnovsky (visnov) (2008-09-11 11:59:01) What we will have for 11.1 is the infrastructure for YaST modules to write this information into /var/log/YaST2/y2changes log file. So far, no YaST module has support for this, but it can be added gradually. Thus, postponing for 11.2. #10: Federico Lucifredi (flucifredi) (2009-01-07 19:45:36) At engineering's discretion, we can start working on this. #13: Barry Nichols (barry_nichols) (2010-07-08 07:26:38) I believe that YaST is a great tool to provide a level of abstraction between a user who doesn't care what files need to be edited to change things; however, a user wishing to become more knowledgeable about how GNU/Linux works would do better to read about it. #14: seleko seleko (seleko) (2010-08-20 09:46:36) Its the way SMIT in AIX works... Im really not so sure its good idea. #15: Gábor Nyers (gnyers) (2010-08-24 23:16:29) It seems a useful addition to me... Beside the educational aspect the trasparancy of it could win a lot of appreciation. Being able to see what YaST is doing would increase the sense of control, not in the least for admins who are more familiar with other distro's. + #16: Roger Luedecke (shadowolf7) (2011-04-02 22:01:22) + Just add an expandable window to show the console output. Great idea I + think. Man pages aren't necessary since man pages are very simple to + access any way. This would also solve the request for more verbosity. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/305144
Feature changed by: Gábor Nyers (gnyers) Feature #305144, revision 35 Title: Yast as a Linux learning tool openSUSE-11.1: Rejected Priority Requester: Desirable openSUSE-11.2: Rejected by Christoph Thiel (cthiel1) reject date: 2009-07-16 17:56:25 reject reason: out of resources for 11.2. Priority Requester: Desirable Projectmanager: Desirable openSUSE-11.3: Rejected by Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) reject date: 2010-11-08 16:25:26 reject reason: not done. Priority Requester: Desirable openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Alexey Eremenko (fenixnbk) Requested by: Matthias Eckermann (mge1512) Product Manager: Federico Lucifredi (flucifredi) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Hi All ! I Have very good new idea: converting Yast into a Linux learning tool. This is very simple to achieve: Yast must show the commands it executes and files it modifies, in a nice GUI dialog. It will allow all kinds of Linux users understand how things really work. Enable learn new things or remind how old-but-forgotten things work for seasoned people. Great, isn't it ? P.S. Jay Vollmer recommends, that among the commands that Yast shows as it executing, it should also recommend "man pages" for the relevant underlying commands. -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov", 29.jul.2008. Relations: - [Feature-request] Yast as a Linux learning tool (novell/bugzilla/id: 412933) https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=412933 Discussion: #1: Alexey Eremenko (fenixnbk) (2008-07-29 12:09:11) Rajko M. wrote: If one wants to see what is gong on in background, than look at logs in realtime. There is console (Konsole) and command tail. Run as root: tail -f /var/log/YaST2/y2log and then start YaST and play with. -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov", 29.jul.2008. #2: Jerry Houston (effjay) (2008-07-29 15:41:34) Sounds like a great way for new users to learn more about what's under the hood. Or, what's under the bonnet, for the Brits. #3: Cyril Hrubis (metan) (2008-07-31 07:11:21) Moving to maintainers to decide. #7: Federico Lucifredi (flucifredi) (2008-08-01 19:35:40) It is kinda late for 11.1, but it is an idea worth pursuing. #8: Michael Löffler (michl19) (2008-08-15 16:32:56) agreeing with Federico this might be to late for 11.1 but should be accomplished with 11.2 #9: Stanislav Visnovsky (visnov) (2008-09-11 11:59:01) What we will have for 11.1 is the infrastructure for YaST modules to write this information into /var/log/YaST2/y2changes log file. So far, no YaST module has support for this, but it can be added gradually. Thus, postponing for 11.2. #10: Federico Lucifredi (flucifredi) (2009-01-07 19:45:36) At engineering's discretion, we can start working on this. #13: Barry Nichols (barry_nichols) (2010-07-08 07:26:38) I believe that YaST is a great tool to provide a level of abstraction between a user who doesn't care what files need to be edited to change things; however, a user wishing to become more knowledgeable about how GNU/Linux works would do better to read about it. #14: seleko seleko (seleko) (2010-08-20 09:46:36) Its the way SMIT in AIX works... Im really not so sure its good idea. #15: Gábor Nyers (gnyers) (2010-08-24 23:16:29) It seems a useful addition to me... Beside the educational aspect the trasparancy of it could win a lot of appreciation. Being able to see what YaST is doing would increase the sense of control, not in the least for admins who are more familiar with other distro's. #16: Roger Luedecke (shadowolf7) (2011-04-02 22:01:22) Just add an expandable window to show the console output. Great idea I think. Man pages aren't necessary since man pages are very simple to access any way. This would also solve the request for more verbosity. + #17: Gábor Nyers (gnyers) (2011-12-18 01:23:35) + Though only covering the "modified files" aspect of this feature + request, snapper could play a role here. + By making examining of the changes of files and their content initiated + by YaST possible, Snapper would definitely be an aid in helping people + to learn YaST. So, Snapper, besides its other significant merits, + should be also "marketed" as such. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/305144
Feature changed by: Karl Cheng (qantas94heavy) Feature #305144, revision 36 Title: Yast as a Linux learning tool openSUSE-11.1: Rejected Priority Requester: Desirable openSUSE-11.2: Rejected by Christoph Thiel (cthiel1) reject date: 2009-07-16 17:56:25 reject reason: out of resources for 11.2. Priority Requester: Desirable Projectmanager: Desirable openSUSE-11.3: Rejected by Andreas Jaeger (a_jaeger) reject date: 2010-11-08 16:25:26 reject reason: not done. Priority Requester: Desirable - openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed + openSUSE-11.4: Rejected by Karl Cheng (qantas94heavy) + reject reason: Not done for 11.4. Priority Requester: Important + openSUSE Distribution: Evaluation by engineering manager + Priority + Requester: Desirable Requested by: Alexey Eremenko (fenixnbk) Requested by: Matthias Eckermann (mge1512) Product Manager: Federico Lucifredi (flucifredi) Project Manager: Christoph Thiel (cthiel1) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: Hi All ! I Have very good new idea: converting Yast into a Linux learning tool. This is very simple to achieve: Yast must show the commands it executes and files it modifies, in a nice GUI dialog. It will allow all kinds of Linux users understand how things really work. Enable learn new things or remind how old-but-forgotten things work for seasoned people. Great, isn't it ? P.S. Jay Vollmer recommends, that among the commands that Yast shows as it executing, it should also recommend "man pages" for the relevant underlying commands. -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov", 29.jul.2008. Relations: - [Feature-request] Yast as a Linux learning tool (novell/bugzilla/id: 412933) https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=412933 Discussion: #1: Alexey Eremenko (fenixnbk) (2008-07-29 12:09:11) Rajko M. wrote: If one wants to see what is gong on in background, than look at logs in realtime. There is console (Konsole) and command tail. Run as root: tail -f /var/log/YaST2/y2log and then start YaST and play with. -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov", 29.jul.2008. #2: Jerry Houston (effjay) (2008-07-29 15:41:34) Sounds like a great way for new users to learn more about what's under the hood. Or, what's under the bonnet, for the Brits. #3: Cyril Hrubis (metan) (2008-07-31 07:11:21) Moving to maintainers to decide. #7: Federico Lucifredi (flucifredi) (2008-08-01 19:35:40) It is kinda late for 11.1, but it is an idea worth pursuing. #8: Michael Löffler (michl19) (2008-08-15 16:32:56) agreeing with Federico this might be to late for 11.1 but should be accomplished with 11.2 #9: Stanislav Visnovsky (visnov) (2008-09-11 11:59:01) What we will have for 11.1 is the infrastructure for YaST modules to write this information into /var/log/YaST2/y2changes log file. So far, no YaST module has support for this, but it can be added gradually. Thus, postponing for 11.2. #10: Federico Lucifredi (flucifredi) (2009-01-07 19:45:36) At engineering's discretion, we can start working on this. #13: Barry Nichols (barry_nichols) (2010-07-08 07:26:38) I believe that YaST is a great tool to provide a level of abstraction between a user who doesn't care what files need to be edited to change things; however, a user wishing to become more knowledgeable about how GNU/Linux works would do better to read about it. #14: seleko seleko (seleko) (2010-08-20 09:46:36) Its the way SMIT in AIX works... Im really not so sure its good idea. #15: Gábor Nyers (gnyers) (2010-08-24 23:16:29) It seems a useful addition to me... Beside the educational aspect the trasparancy of it could win a lot of appreciation. Being able to see what YaST is doing would increase the sense of control, not in the least for admins who are more familiar with other distro's. #16: Roger Luedecke (shadowolf7) (2011-04-02 22:01:22) Just add an expandable window to show the console output. Great idea I think. Man pages aren't necessary since man pages are very simple to access any way. This would also solve the request for more verbosity. #17: Gábor Nyers (gnyers) (2011-12-18 01:23:35) Though only covering the "modified files" aspect of this feature request, snapper could play a role here. By making examining of the changes of files and their content initiated by YaST possible, Snapper would definitely be an aid in helping people to learn YaST. So, Snapper, besides its other significant merits, should be also "marketed" as such. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/305144
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