[New: openFATE 313151] opensuse 12.2: kde update conflicts - there needs to be only one!
Feature added by: Jedi Beeftrix (Jedibeeftrix) Feature #313151, revision 1 Title: opensuse 12.2: kde update conflicts - there needs to be only one! openSUSE Distribution: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: not a technical person so only a limited ability to explain this, but here goes: back in the day we used YAST, it found updates and installed them, all was good in the world. then we needed desktop notifiers to inform the user that new updates were available, and all was good in the world. then we decided that the notifier ought to be able to install updates, and two parallel systems were born, and was conflict brought into the world. then we had kpackagekit which promised to return the user to the blessed lands of all, but the dream was not realised. then apper arrived promising to correct the flaws of kpackagekit, but still we get conflicts were one service is blocked by the (invisible) operation of the other. ---------------------------- We need a simpler system: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-kde/2012-01/msg00144.html for 12.2, can we make apper call YAST to install updates, or YAST use packagekit as the 'backend', but not have two parallel systems of updates that invariably tie themselves in knots? kind regards JBT -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/313151
Feature changed by: Jedi Beeftrix (Jedibeeftrix) Feature #313151, revision 2 Title: opensuse 12.2: kde update conflicts - there needs to be only one! openSUSE Distribution: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: not a technical person so only a limited ability to explain this, but here goes: back in the day we used YAST, it found updates and installed - them, all was good in the world. then we needed desktop notifiers to + them, all was ok in the world. then we needed desktop notifiers to inform the user that new updates were available, and all was good in the world. then we decided that the notifier ought to be able to - install updates, and two parallel systems were born, and was conflict - brought into the world. then we had kpackagekit which promised to - return the user to the blessed lands of all, but the dream was not - realised. then apper arrived promising to correct the flaws of - kpackagekit, but still we get conflicts were one service is blocked by - the (invisible) operation of the other. ---------------------------- We - need a simpler system: - http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-kde/2012-01/msg00144.html for 12.2, - can we make apper call YAST to install updates, or YAST use packagekit - as the 'backend', but not have two parallel systems of updates that - invariably tie themselves in knots? kind regards + install updates, and two parallel systems were born, and thus was + conflict brought into the world. then we had kpackagekit which promised + to return the user to the blessed lands of update + management+notification nirvana, but the dream was not realised. then + apper arrived promising to correct the flaws of kpackagekit, but still + we get conflicts were one service is blocked by the (invisible) + operation of the other. ---------------------------- We need a simpler + system: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-kde/2012-01/msg00144.html + for 12.2, can we make apper call YAST to install updates, or YAST use + packagekit as the 'backend', but not have two parallel systems of + updates that invariably tie themselves in knots? + kind regards JBT -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/313151
Feature changed by: Jedi Beeftrix (Jedibeeftrix) Feature #313151, revision 3 - Title: opensuse 12.2: kde update conflicts - there needs to be only + Title: Opensuse 12.2 - kde update conflicts - there needs to be only one! openSUSE Distribution: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: not a technical person so only a limited ability to explain this, but here goes: back in the day we used YAST, it found updates and installed them, all was ok in the world. then we needed desktop notifiers to inform the user that new updates were available, and all was good in the world. then we decided that the notifier ought to be able to install updates, and two parallel systems were born, and thus was conflict brought into the world. then we had kpackagekit which promised to return the user to the blessed lands of update management+notification nirvana, but the dream was not realised. then apper arrived promising to correct the flaws of kpackagekit, but still we get conflicts were one service is blocked by the (invisible) operation of the other. ---------------------------- We need a simpler system: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-kde/2012-01/msg00144.html for 12.2, can we make apper call YAST to install updates, or YAST use packagekit as the 'backend', but not have two parallel systems of updates that invariably tie themselves in knots? kind regards JBT -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/313151
Feature changed by: Mário Castanheira (SpeccyMan) Feature #313151, revision 4 Title: Opensuse 12.2 - kde update conflicts - there needs to be only one! openSUSE Distribution: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: not a technical person so only a limited ability to explain this, but here goes: back in the day we used YAST, it found updates and installed them, all was ok in the world. then we needed desktop notifiers to inform the user that new updates were available, and all was good in the world. then we decided that the notifier ought to be able to install updates, and two parallel systems were born, and thus was conflict brought into the world. then we had kpackagekit which promised to return the user to the blessed lands of update management+notification nirvana, but the dream was not realised. then apper arrived promising to correct the flaws of kpackagekit, but still we get conflicts were one service is blocked by the (invisible) operation of the other. ---------------------------- We need a simpler system: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-kde/2012-01/msg00144.html for 12.2, can we make apper call YAST to install updates, or YAST use packagekit as the 'backend', but not have two parallel systems of updates that invariably tie themselves in knots? kind regards JBT + Discussion: + #1: Mário Castanheira (speccyman) (2012-01-31 16:30:09) + Totally agree!!! I really don't know what to use anymore. :( + Apper seems a nice idea... But it's just that: a nice idea! Because it + does not work properly. For newbies, however, yast creates fear because + users are looking for apps and not packages. + Now, a nice update notifier and something like this: + https://features.opensuse.org/312489 (312489) - Add a SHOW ONLY + APPLICATIONS option in YaST's Software Management could make Apper, + kpackagekit and things like that unneeded. + Why not put all efforts on YaST and make it more pleasant to user's + view and remove all the redundant software. + Really, as far as i understand we have YOU and Software Management, + both on top of Zypper and then we have Apper on top of PackageKit which + then is also on top of Zypper. And all of this are tools for software + management that basically all do the same thing... Do this seem like a + mess?! Did i miss to understand something?! Or is this actually a very + BIG mess?! + Software Management module should take care of ALL that is related to + software: Installations, removes, Updates, upgrades and so on... All in + one place, all easy to use, yet keeping all the power that experts need + and use now. + i'm all for it! -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/313151
Feature changed by: Jedi Beeftrix (Jedibeeftrix) Feature #313151, revision 5 Title: Opensuse 12.2 - kde update conflicts - there needs to be only one! openSUSE Distribution: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: not a technical person so only a limited ability to explain this, but here goes: back in the day we used YAST, it found updates and installed them, all was ok in the world. then we needed desktop notifiers to inform the user that new updates were available, and all was good in the world. then we decided that the notifier ought to be able to install updates, and two parallel systems were born, and thus was conflict brought into the world. then we had kpackagekit which promised to return the user to the blessed lands of update management+notification nirvana, but the dream was not realised. then apper arrived promising to correct the flaws of kpackagekit, but still we get conflicts were one service is blocked by the (invisible) operation of the other. ---------------------------- We need a simpler system: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-kde/2012-01/msg00144.html for 12.2, can we make apper call YAST to install updates, or YAST use packagekit as the 'backend', but not have two parallel systems of updates that invariably tie themselves in knots? kind regards JBT Discussion: #1: Mário Castanheira (speccyman) (2012-01-31 16:30:09) Totally agree!!! I really don't know what to use anymore. :( Apper seems a nice idea... But it's just that: a nice idea! Because it does not work properly. For newbies, however, yast creates fear because users are looking for apps and not packages. Now, a nice update notifier and something like this: https://features.opensuse.org/312489 (312489) - Add a SHOW ONLY APPLICATIONS option in YaST's Software Management could make Apper, kpackagekit and things like that unneeded. Why not put all efforts on YaST and make it more pleasant to user's view and remove all the redundant software. Really, as far as i understand we have YOU and Software Management, both on top of Zypper and then we have Apper on top of PackageKit which then is also on top of Zypper. And all of this are tools for software management that basically all do the same thing... Do this seem like a mess?! Did i miss to understand something?! Or is this actually a very BIG mess?! Software Management module should take care of ALL that is related to software: Installations, removes, Updates, upgrades and so on... All in one place, all easy to use, yet keeping all the power that experts need and use now. i'm all for it! + #2: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) (2012-02-03 13:26:01) (reply to #1) + you put it better than i could, thanks. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/313151
Feature changed by: Jedi Beeftrix (Jedibeeftrix) Feature #313151, revision 7 Title: Opensuse 12.2 - kde update conflicts - there needs to be only one! openSUSE Distribution: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: not a technical person so only a limited ability to explain this, but here goes: back in the day we used YAST, it found updates and installed them, all was ok in the world. then we needed desktop notifiers to inform the user that new updates were available, and all was good in the world. then we decided that the notifier ought to be able to install updates, and two parallel systems were born, and thus was conflict brought into the world. then we had kpackagekit which promised to return the user to the blessed lands of update management+notification nirvana, but the dream was not realised. then apper arrived promising to correct the flaws of kpackagekit, but still we get conflicts were one service is blocked by the (invisible) operation of the other. ---------------------------- We need a simpler system: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-kde/2012-01/msg00144.html for 12.2, can we make apper call YAST to install updates, or YAST use packagekit as the 'backend', but not have two parallel systems of updates that invariably tie themselves in knots? kind regards JBT Discussion: #1: Mário Castanheira (speccyman) (2012-01-31 16:30:09) Totally agree!!! I really don't know what to use anymore. :( Apper seems a nice idea... But it's just that: a nice idea! Because it does not work properly. For newbies, however, yast creates fear because users are looking for apps and not packages. Now, a nice update notifier and something like this: https://features.opensuse.org/312489 (312489) - Add a SHOW ONLY APPLICATIONS option in YaST's Software Management could make Apper, kpackagekit and things like that unneeded. Why not put all efforts on YaST and make it more pleasant to user's view and remove all the redundant software. Really, as far as i understand we have YOU and Software Management, both on top of Zypper and then we have Apper on top of PackageKit which then is also on top of Zypper. And all of this are tools for software management that basically all do the same thing... Do this seem like a mess?! Did i miss to understand something?! Or is this actually a very BIG mess?! Software Management module should take care of ALL that is related to software: Installations, removes, Updates, upgrades and so on... All in one place, all easy to use, yet keeping all the power that experts need and use now. i'm all for it! #2: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) (2012-02-03 13:26:01) (reply to #1) you put it better than i could, thanks. + #3: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) (2012-03-23 13:35:17) + and so it continues: + http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2012-03/msg00338.html -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/313151
Feature changed by: Jedi Beeftrix (Jedibeeftrix) Feature #313151, revision 8 Title: Opensuse 12.2 - kde update conflicts - there needs to be only one! openSUSE Distribution: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: not a technical person so only a limited ability to explain this, but here goes: back in the day we used YAST, it found updates and installed them, all was ok in the world. then we needed desktop notifiers to inform the user that new updates were available, and all was good in the world. then we decided that the notifier ought to be able to install updates, and two parallel systems were born, and thus was conflict brought into the world. then we had kpackagekit which promised to return the user to the blessed lands of update management+notification nirvana, but the dream was not realised. then apper arrived promising to correct the flaws of kpackagekit, but still we get conflicts were one service is blocked by the (invisible) operation of the other. ---------------------------- We need a simpler system: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-kde/2012-01/msg00144.html + http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2012-03/msg00338.html for 12.2, can we make apper call YAST to install updates, or YAST use packagekit as the 'backend', but not have two parallel systems of updates that invariably tie themselves in knots? kind regards JBT Discussion: #1: Mário Castanheira (speccyman) (2012-01-31 16:30:09) Totally agree!!! I really don't know what to use anymore. :( Apper seems a nice idea... But it's just that: a nice idea! Because it does not work properly. For newbies, however, yast creates fear because users are looking for apps and not packages. Now, a nice update notifier and something like this: https://features.opensuse.org/312489 (312489) - Add a SHOW ONLY APPLICATIONS option in YaST's Software Management could make Apper, kpackagekit and things like that unneeded. Why not put all efforts on YaST and make it more pleasant to user's view and remove all the redundant software. Really, as far as i understand we have YOU and Software Management, both on top of Zypper and then we have Apper on top of PackageKit which then is also on top of Zypper. And all of this are tools for software management that basically all do the same thing... Do this seem like a mess?! Did i miss to understand something?! Or is this actually a very BIG mess?! Software Management module should take care of ALL that is related to software: Installations, removes, Updates, upgrades and so on... All in one place, all easy to use, yet keeping all the power that experts need and use now. i'm all for it! #2: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) (2012-02-03 13:26:01) (reply to #1) you put it better than i could, thanks. #3: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) (2012-03-23 13:35:17) and so it continues: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2012-03/msg00338.html -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/313151
Feature changed by: Narayansamy S (vazhavandan) Feature #313151, revision 9 Title: Opensuse 12.2 - kde update conflicts - there needs to be only one! openSUSE Distribution: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: not a technical person so only a limited ability to explain this, but here goes: back in the day we used YAST, it found updates and installed them, all was ok in the world. then we needed desktop notifiers to inform the user that new updates were available, and all was good in the world. then we decided that the notifier ought to be able to install updates, and two parallel systems were born, and thus was conflict brought into the world. then we had kpackagekit which promised to return the user to the blessed lands of update management+notification nirvana, but the dream was not realised. then apper arrived promising to correct the flaws of kpackagekit, but still we get conflicts were one service is blocked by the (invisible) operation of the other. ---------------------------- We need a simpler system: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-kde/2012-01/msg00144.html http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2012-03/msg00338.html for 12.2, can we make apper call YAST to install updates, or YAST use packagekit as the 'backend', but not have two parallel systems of updates that invariably tie themselves in knots? kind regards JBT Discussion: #1: Mário Castanheira (speccyman) (2012-01-31 16:30:09) Totally agree!!! I really don't know what to use anymore. :( Apper seems a nice idea... But it's just that: a nice idea! Because it does not work properly. For newbies, however, yast creates fear because users are looking for apps and not packages. Now, a nice update notifier and something like this: https://features.opensuse.org/312489 (312489) - Add a SHOW ONLY APPLICATIONS option in YaST's Software Management could make Apper, kpackagekit and things like that unneeded. Why not put all efforts on YaST and make it more pleasant to user's view and remove all the redundant software. Really, as far as i understand we have YOU and Software Management, both on top of Zypper and then we have Apper on top of PackageKit which then is also on top of Zypper. And all of this are tools for software management that basically all do the same thing... Do this seem like a mess?! Did i miss to understand something?! Or is this actually a very BIG mess?! Software Management module should take care of ALL that is related to software: Installations, removes, Updates, upgrades and so on... All in one place, all easy to use, yet keeping all the power that experts need and use now. i'm all for it! #2: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) (2012-02-03 13:26:01) (reply to #1) you put it better than i could, thanks. #3: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) (2012-03-23 13:35:17) and so it continues: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2012-03/msg00338.html + #4: Narayansamy S (vazhavandan) (2012-04-03 18:58:03) + Please do the same for GNOME too,many a time i am not able to update + through the package kit notifications -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/313151
Feature changed by: Jedi Beeftrix (Jedibeeftrix) Feature #313151, revision 10 - Title: Opensuse 12.2 - kde update conflicts - there needs to be only + Title: Opensuse 12.3 - kde update conflicts - there needs to be only one! openSUSE Distribution: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Important Requested by: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: not a technical person so only a limited ability to explain this, but here goes: back in the day we used YAST, it found updates and installed them, all was ok in the world. then we needed desktop notifiers to inform the user that new updates were available, and all was good in the world. then we decided that the notifier ought to be able to install updates, and two parallel systems were born, and thus was conflict brought into the world. then we had kpackagekit which promised to return the user to the blessed lands of update management+notification nirvana, but the dream was not realised. then apper arrived promising to correct the flaws of kpackagekit, but still we get conflicts were one service is blocked by the (invisible) operation of the other. ---------------------------- We need a simpler system: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-kde/2012-01/msg00144.html http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2012-03/msg00338.html for 12.2, can we make apper call YAST to install updates, or YAST use packagekit as the 'backend', but not have two parallel systems of updates that invariably tie themselves in knots? kind regards JBT Discussion: #1: Mário Castanheira (speccyman) (2012-01-31 16:30:09) Totally agree!!! I really don't know what to use anymore. :( Apper seems a nice idea... But it's just that: a nice idea! Because it does not work properly. For newbies, however, yast creates fear because users are looking for apps and not packages. Now, a nice update notifier and something like this: https://features.opensuse.org/312489 (312489) - Add a SHOW ONLY APPLICATIONS option in YaST's Software Management could make Apper, kpackagekit and things like that unneeded. Why not put all efforts on YaST and make it more pleasant to user's view and remove all the redundant software. Really, as far as i understand we have YOU and Software Management, both on top of Zypper and then we have Apper on top of PackageKit which then is also on top of Zypper. And all of this are tools for software management that basically all do the same thing... Do this seem like a mess?! Did i miss to understand something?! Or is this actually a very BIG mess?! Software Management module should take care of ALL that is related to software: Installations, removes, Updates, upgrades and so on... All in one place, all easy to use, yet keeping all the power that experts need and use now. i'm all for it! #2: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) (2012-02-03 13:26:01) (reply to #1) you put it better than i could, thanks. #3: Jedi Beeftrix (jedibeeftrix) (2012-03-23 13:35:17) and so it continues: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2012-03/msg00338.html #4: Narayansamy S (vazhavandan) (2012-04-03 18:58:03) Please do the same for GNOME too,many a time i am not able to update through the package kit notifications -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/313151
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