Feature changed by: Jon Nelson (jnelson-suse) Feature #310327, revision 3 Title: use systemd session manager instead of SysVinit/upstart openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Vicenç Juan Tomàs Monserrat (vtomasr5) Description: systemd (http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd) is a system and session manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. systemd provides aggressive parallelization capabilities, uses socket and D-Bus activation for starting services, offers on-demand starting of daemons, keeps track of processes using Linux cgroups, supports snapshotting and restoring of the system state, maintains mount and automount points and implements an elaborate transactional dependency-based service control logic. It can work as a drop-in replacement for sysvinit. Thanks. + Discussion: + #1: Jon Nelson (jnelson-suse) (2010-08-15 00:05:47) + sysvinit works and it works very well. While some other distros are + going to Upstart, honestly I don't really see any significant advantage + Upstart has over sysvinit, or even the Makefile-based parallel task + startup. However, systemd seems like it actually rethinks the entire + process, and for the better. I would like to see more + supervise/runit/freedt-like functionality in systemd, but if one is to + choose from among sysvinit, upstart, and systemd - it seems that there + is no compelling reason to choose upstart instead of sysvinit (except + for considerably smaller init scripts) but systemd has a far greater + architectural technological advantage. +   -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310327

Feature changed by: Denny Beyer (lumnis) Feature #310327, revision 7 Title: use systemd session manager instead of SysVinit/upstart openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Vicenç Juan Tomàs Monserrat (vtomasr5) Description: systemd (http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd) is a system and session manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. systemd provides aggressive parallelization capabilities, uses socket and D-Bus activation for starting services, offers on-demand starting of daemons, keeps track of processes using Linux cgroups, supports snapshotting and restoring of the system state, maintains mount and automount points and implements an elaborate transactional dependency-based service control logic. It can work as a drop-in replacement for sysvinit. Thanks. Discussion: #1: Jon Nelson (jnelson-suse) (2010-08-15 00:05:47) sysvinit works and it works very well. While some other distros are going to Upstart, honestly I don't really see any significant advantage Upstart has over sysvinit, or even the Makefile-based parallel task startup. However, systemd seems like it actually rethinks the entire process, and for the better. I would like to see more supervise/runit/freedt-like functionality in systemd, but if one is to choose from among sysvinit, upstart, and systemd - it seems that there is no compelling reason to choose upstart instead of sysvinit (except for considerably smaller init scripts) but systemd has a far greater architectural technological advantage.   #2: Jose Ricardo De Leon Solis (derhundchen) (2010-08-15 07:50:39) I've looked at systemd's git repo and there are already seven releases tagged in it. Also, Kay Sievers has pushed several suse-specific patches, so it should work on openSUSE. The only thing we miss is input on its stability and reliability. If it is, I think it's worth packaging it and offer it as an option, just like we do it for upstart. Whether to make it the default or not, I think it's imperative to have Kay Sievers opinion and ultimately leave the decision to coolo. + #3: Denny Beyer (lumnis) (2010-08-23 21:22:36) + Now, that fedora uses systemd as default system, I hope systemd will + make it as default into openSUSE 11.4. Any objections? -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310327

Feature changed by: Denny Beyer (lumnis) Feature #310327, revision 12 Title: use systemd session manager instead of SysVinit/upstart openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Vicenç Juan Tomàs Monserrat (vtomasr5) Description: systemd (http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd) is a system and session manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. systemd provides aggressive parallelization capabilities, uses socket and D-Bus activation for starting services, offers on-demand starting of daemons, keeps track of processes using Linux cgroups, supports snapshotting and restoring of the system state, maintains mount and automount points and implements an elaborate transactional dependency-based service control logic. It can work as a drop-in replacement for sysvinit. Thanks. Discussion: #1: Jon Nelson (jnelson-suse) (2010-08-15 00:05:47) sysvinit works and it works very well. While some other distros are going to Upstart, honestly I don't really see any significant advantage Upstart has over sysvinit, or even the Makefile-based parallel task startup. However, systemd seems like it actually rethinks the entire process, and for the better. I would like to see more supervise/runit/freedt-like functionality in systemd, but if one is to choose from among sysvinit, upstart, and systemd - it seems that there is no compelling reason to choose upstart instead of sysvinit (except for considerably smaller init scripts) but systemd has a far greater architectural technological advantage.   #2: Jose Ricardo De Leon Solis (derhundchen) (2010-08-15 07:50:39) I've looked at systemd's git repo and there are already seven releases tagged in it. Also, Kay Sievers has pushed several suse-specific patches, so it should work on openSUSE. The only thing we miss is input on its stability and reliability. If it is, I think it's worth packaging it and offer it as an option, just like we do it for upstart. Whether to make it the default or not, I think it's imperative to have Kay Sievers opinion and ultimately leave the decision to coolo. #3: Denny Beyer (lumnis) (2010-08-23 21:22:36) Now, that fedora uses systemd as default system, I hope systemd will make it as default into openSUSE 11.4. Any objections? #4: Jose Ricardo De Leon Solis (derhundchen) (2010-09-15 05:58:42) Apparently systemd won't be the default init system in Fedora 14. There are sitll concerns about its stability and has been deferred to Fedora 15. I think it would be wise to do the same for openSUSE. Lets make it the default for the next version. + #5: Denny Beyer (lumnis) (2010-09-16 11:41:26) (reply to #4) + I have seen those news as well. Maybe good to make it default in the + next version, any chance to get it as an option in 11.4 - for people + interested? -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310327

Feature changed by: Bill Pye (phoenix911uk) Feature #310327, revision 14 Title: use systemd session manager instead of SysVinit/upstart openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Vicenç Juan Tomàs Monserrat (vtomasr5) Description: systemd (http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd) is a system and session manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. systemd provides aggressive parallelization capabilities, uses socket and D-Bus activation for starting services, offers on-demand starting of daemons, keeps track of processes using Linux cgroups, supports snapshotting and restoring of the system state, maintains mount and automount points and implements an elaborate transactional dependency-based service control logic. It can work as a drop-in replacement for sysvinit. Thanks. Discussion: #1: Jon Nelson (jnelson-suse) (2010-08-15 00:05:47) sysvinit works and it works very well. While some other distros are going to Upstart, honestly I don't really see any significant advantage Upstart has over sysvinit, or even the Makefile-based parallel task startup. However, systemd seems like it actually rethinks the entire process, and for the better. I would like to see more supervise/runit/freedt-like functionality in systemd, but if one is to choose from among sysvinit, upstart, and systemd - it seems that there is no compelling reason to choose upstart instead of sysvinit (except for considerably smaller init scripts) but systemd has a far greater architectural technological advantage.   #2: Jose Ricardo De Leon Solis (derhundchen) (2010-08-15 07:50:39) I've looked at systemd's git repo and there are already seven releases tagged in it. Also, Kay Sievers has pushed several suse-specific patches, so it should work on openSUSE. The only thing we miss is input on its stability and reliability. If it is, I think it's worth packaging it and offer it as an option, just like we do it for upstart. Whether to make it the default or not, I think it's imperative to have Kay Sievers opinion and ultimately leave the decision to coolo. #3: Denny Beyer (lumnis) (2010-08-23 21:22:36) Now, that fedora uses systemd as default system, I hope systemd will make it as default into openSUSE 11.4. Any objections? #4: Jose Ricardo De Leon Solis (derhundchen) (2010-09-15 05:58:42) Apparently systemd won't be the default init system in Fedora 14. There are sitll concerns about its stability and has been deferred to Fedora 15. I think it would be wise to do the same for openSUSE. Lets make it the default for the next version. #5: Denny Beyer (lumnis) (2010-09-16 11:41:26) (reply to #4) I have seen those news as well. Maybe good to make it default in the next version, any chance to get it as an option in 11.4 - for people interested? #6: Stephen Shaw (decriptor) (2010-09-16 17:26:31) (reply to #5) I was asking coolo about this the other day... I think it is built in OBS somewhere, so that doesn't seem unrealistic if not already the case.  I'm sure some serious testing and help with this would go a long way to really considering it for openSUSE.  I believe though it also requires at least the 2.6.35 kernel as of right now.  The 2.6.36 rc4 kernel is packaged in Kernel repository (on OBS).  The issue I had with 2.6.36 was that something was deprecated and drivers such as nvidia and virtualbox wouldn't build.  + #7: Bill Pye (phoenix911uk) (2010-09-17 14:10:04) + I'm running systemd on my current 11.3 system and it seems to have no + problems that I've experience and gives a nice quick boot speed to the + desktop. + I'd like to add my support for this being included as an option in the + next (11.4) release of openSUSE. It's easier to test new features if + they're easy to install, not everyone knows their way around the + repository system (that includes me). :) -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310327

Feature changed by: Jose Ricardo De Leon Solis (derhundchen) Feature #310327, revision 16 Title: use systemd session manager instead of SysVinit/upstart openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Vicenç Juan Tomàs Monserrat (vtomasr5) Description: systemd (http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd) is a system and session manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. systemd provides aggressive parallelization capabilities, uses socket and D-Bus activation for starting services, offers on-demand starting of daemons, keeps track of processes using Linux cgroups, supports snapshotting and restoring of the system state, maintains mount and automount points and implements an elaborate transactional dependency-based service control logic. It can work as a drop-in replacement for sysvinit. Thanks. Discussion: #1: Jon Nelson (jnelson-suse) (2010-08-15 00:05:47) sysvinit works and it works very well. While some other distros are going to Upstart, honestly I don't really see any significant advantage Upstart has over sysvinit, or even the Makefile-based parallel task startup. However, systemd seems like it actually rethinks the entire process, and for the better. I would like to see more supervise/runit/freedt-like functionality in systemd, but if one is to choose from among sysvinit, upstart, and systemd - it seems that there is no compelling reason to choose upstart instead of sysvinit (except for considerably smaller init scripts) but systemd has a far greater architectural technological advantage.   #2: Jose Ricardo De Leon Solis (derhundchen) (2010-08-15 07:50:39) I've looked at systemd's git repo and there are already seven releases tagged in it. Also, Kay Sievers has pushed several suse-specific patches, so it should work on openSUSE. The only thing we miss is input on its stability and reliability. If it is, I think it's worth packaging it and offer it as an option, just like we do it for upstart. Whether to make it the default or not, I think it's imperative to have Kay Sievers opinion and ultimately leave the decision to coolo. #3: Denny Beyer (lumnis) (2010-08-23 21:22:36) Now, that fedora uses systemd as default system, I hope systemd will make it as default into openSUSE 11.4. Any objections? #4: Jose Ricardo De Leon Solis (derhundchen) (2010-09-15 05:58:42) Apparently systemd won't be the default init system in Fedora 14. There are sitll concerns about its stability and has been deferred to Fedora 15. I think it would be wise to do the same for openSUSE. Lets make it the default for the next version. #5: Denny Beyer (lumnis) (2010-09-16 11:41:26) (reply to #4) I have seen those news as well. Maybe good to make it default in the next version, any chance to get it as an option in 11.4 - for people interested? #6: Stephen Shaw (decriptor) (2010-09-16 17:26:31) (reply to #5) I was asking coolo about this the other day... I think it is built in OBS somewhere, so that doesn't seem unrealistic if not already the case.  I'm sure some serious testing and help with this would go a long way to really considering it for openSUSE.  I believe though it also requires at least the 2.6.35 kernel as of right now.  The 2.6.36 rc4 kernel is packaged in Kernel repository (on OBS).  The issue I had with 2.6.36 was that something was deprecated and drivers such as nvidia and virtualbox wouldn't build.  #8: Ralph Ulrich (ulenrich) (2010-09-17 15:46:52) (reply to #4) Sure there are concerns: init is core! Against Fedora 14 decision was made up because of pure feelings (one other important decision holder failed to attend fedoras irc meeting). If this is taken as grounds for openSUSE decision...  :( Reason to defer: Is the interface settled to stable grounds? Chance of openSUSE: We release much later than Fedora14. #7: Bill Pye (phoenix911uk) (2010-09-17 14:10:04) I'm running systemd on my current 11.3 system and it seems to have no problems that I've experience and gives a nice quick boot speed to the desktop. I'd like to add my support for this being included as an option in the next (11.4) release of openSUSE. It's easier to test new features if they're easy to install, not everyone knows their way around the repository system (that includes me). :) + #9: Jose Ricardo De Leon Solis (derhundchen) (2010-09-27 00:48:59) + The community of Fedora had a testing day devoted solely on systemd + testing in order to report problems in it and ultimately to decide + whether to make it the default or not. They also had list of criteria + that systemd had to meet (but the criteria changed at the last minute). + I was just thinking that we could do something similar. We could create + our own list of criteria and test cases for systemd to pass (I think + coolo is the right person). The openSUSE testing team and the community + could provide the feedback and let coolo make the decision. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310327

Feature changed by: Ludwig Nussel (lnussel) Feature #310327, revision 20 Title: use systemd session manager instead of SysVinit/upstart openSUSE-11.4: Evaluation Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Vicenç Juan Tomàs Monserrat (vtomasr5) Developer: (Novell) Developer: (Novell) Description: systemd (http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd) is a system and session manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. systemd provides aggressive parallelization capabilities, uses socket and D-Bus activation for starting services, offers on-demand starting of daemons, keeps track of processes using Linux cgroups, supports snapshotting and restoring of the system state, maintains mount and automount points and implements an elaborate transactional dependency-based service control logic. It can work as a drop-in replacement for sysvinit. - Thanks. + TODO: + - how to have services enabled by default? + - boot.crypto + - have all services of a default install started natively Relations: - Init Systems: To System V, systemd, or upstart? (feature/id: 310421) Discussion: #1: Jon Nelson (jnelson-suse) (2010-08-15 00:05:47) sysvinit works and it works very well. While some other distros are going to Upstart, honestly I don't really see any significant advantage Upstart has over sysvinit, or even the Makefile-based parallel task startup. However, systemd seems like it actually rethinks the entire process, and for the better. I would like to see more supervise/runit/freedt-like functionality in systemd, but if one is to choose from among sysvinit, upstart, and systemd - it seems that there is no compelling reason to choose upstart instead of sysvinit (except for considerably smaller init scripts) but systemd has a far greater architectural technological advantage. #2: Jose Ricardo De Leon Solis (derhundchen) (2010-08-15 07:50:39) I've looked at systemd's git repo and there are already seven releases tagged in it. Also, Kay Sievers has pushed several suse-specific patches, so it should work on openSUSE. The only thing we miss is input on its stability and reliability. If it is, I think it's worth packaging it and offer it as an option, just like we do it for upstart. Whether to make it the default or not, I think it's imperative to have Kay Sievers opinion and ultimately leave the decision to coolo. #3: Denny Beyer (lumnis) (2010-08-23 21:22:36) Now, that fedora uses systemd as default system, I hope systemd will make it as default into openSUSE 11.4. Any objections? #4: Jose Ricardo De Leon Solis (derhundchen) (2010-09-15 05:58:42) Apparently systemd won't be the default init system in Fedora 14. There are sitll concerns about its stability and has been deferred to Fedora 15. I think it would be wise to do the same for openSUSE. Lets make it the default for the next version. #5: Denny Beyer (lumnis) (2010-09-16 11:41:26) (reply to #4) I have seen those news as well. Maybe good to make it default in the next version, any chance to get it as an option in 11.4 - for people interested? #6: Stephen Shaw (decriptor) (2010-09-16 17:26:31) (reply to #5) I was asking coolo about this the other day... I think it is built in OBS somewhere, so that doesn't seem unrealistic if not already the case.  I'm sure some serious testing and help with this would go a long way to really considering it for openSUSE.  I believe though it also requires at least the 2.6.35 kernel as of right now.  The 2.6.36 rc4 kernel is packaged in Kernel repository (on OBS).  The issue I had with 2.6.36 was that something was deprecated and drivers such as nvidia and virtualbox wouldn't build.  #8: Ralph Ulrich (ulenrich) (2010-09-17 15:46:52) (reply to #4) Sure there are concerns: init is core! Against Fedora 14 decision was made up because of pure feelings (one other important decision holder failed to attend fedoras irc meeting). If this is taken as grounds for openSUSE decision...  :( Reason to defer: Is the interface settled to stable grounds? Chance of openSUSE: We release much later than Fedora14. #7: Bill Pye (phoenix911uk) (2010-09-17 14:10:04) I'm running systemd on my current 11.3 system and it seems to have no problems that I've experience and gives a nice quick boot speed to the desktop. I'd like to add my support for this being included as an option in the next (11.4) release of openSUSE. It's easier to test new features if they're easy to install, not everyone knows their way around the repository system (that includes me). :) #9: Jose Ricardo De Leon Solis (derhundchen) (2010-09-27 00:48:59) The community of Fedora had a testing day devoted solely on systemd testing in order to report problems in it and ultimately to decide whether to make it the default or not. They also had list of criteria that systemd had to meet (but the criteria changed at the last minute). I was just thinking that we could do something similar. We could create our own list of criteria and test cases for systemd to pass (I think coolo is the right person). The openSUSE testing team and the community could provide the feedback and let coolo make the decision. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310327

Feature changed by: Konstantinos Koudaras (warlordfff) Feature #310327, revision 29 Title: Use systemd session manager instead of SysVinit/upstart openSUSE-11.4: Evaluation by project manager Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Vicenç Juan Tomàs Monserrat (vtomasr5) Product Manager: (Novell) Project Manager: (Novell) Engineering Manager: (Novell) Developer: (Novell) Developer: (Novell) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: systemd (http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd) is a system and session manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. systemd provides aggressive parallelization capabilities, uses socket and D-Bus activation for starting services, offers on-demand starting of daemons, keeps track of processes using Linux cgroups, supports snapshotting and restoring of the system state, maintains mount and automount points and implements an elaborate transactional dependency-based service control logic. It can work as a drop-in replacement for sysvinit. TODO: - how to have services enabled by default? - boot.crypto - have all services of a default install started natively Relations: - Init Systems: To System V, systemd, or upstart? (feature/id: 310421) Discussion: #1: Jon Nelson (jnelson-suse) (2010-08-15 00:05:47) sysvinit works and it works very well. While some other distros are going to Upstart, honestly I don't really see any significant advantage Upstart has over sysvinit, or even the Makefile-based parallel task startup. However, systemd seems like it actually rethinks the entire process, and for the better. I would like to see more supervise/runit/freedt-like functionality in systemd, but if one is to choose from among sysvinit, upstart, and systemd - it seems that there is no compelling reason to choose upstart instead of sysvinit (except for considerably smaller init scripts) but systemd has a far greater architectural technological advantage. #2: Jose Ricardo De Leon Solis (derhundchen) (2010-08-15 07:50:39) I've looked at systemd's git repo and there are already seven releases tagged in it. Also, Kay Sievers has pushed several suse-specific patches, so it should work on openSUSE. The only thing we miss is input on its stability and reliability. If it is, I think it's worth packaging it and offer it as an option, just like we do it for upstart. Whether to make it the default or not, I think it's imperative to have Kay Sievers opinion and ultimately leave the decision to coolo. #3: Denny Beyer (lumnis) (2010-08-23 21:22:36) Now, that fedora uses systemd as default system, I hope systemd will make it as default into openSUSE 11.4. Any objections? #4: Jose Ricardo De Leon Solis (derhundchen) (2010-09-15 05:58:42) Apparently systemd won't be the default init system in Fedora 14. There are sitll concerns about its stability and has been deferred to Fedora 15. I think it would be wise to do the same for openSUSE. Lets make it the default for the next version. #5: Denny Beyer (lumnis) (2010-09-16 11:41:26) (reply to #4) I have seen those news as well. Maybe good to make it default in the next version, any chance to get it as an option in 11.4 - for people interested? #6: Stephen Shaw (decriptor) (2010-09-16 17:26:31) (reply to #5) I was asking coolo about this the other day... I think it is built in OBS somewhere, so that doesn't seem unrealistic if not already the case.  I'm sure some serious testing and help with this would go a long way to really considering it for openSUSE.  I believe though it also requires at least the 2.6.35 kernel as of right now.  The 2.6.36 rc4 kernel is packaged in Kernel repository (on OBS).  The issue I had with 2.6.36 was that something was deprecated and drivers such as nvidia and virtualbox wouldn't build.  #8: Ralph Ulrich (ulenrich) (2010-09-17 15:46:52) (reply to #4) Sure there are concerns: init is core! Against Fedora 14 decision was made up because of pure feelings (one other important decision holder failed to attend fedoras irc meeting). If this is taken as grounds for openSUSE decision...  :( Reason to defer: Is the interface settled to stable grounds? Chance of openSUSE: We release much later than Fedora14. #7: Bill Pye (phoenix911uk) (2010-09-17 14:10:04) I'm running systemd on my current 11.3 system and it seems to have no problems that I've experience and gives a nice quick boot speed to the desktop. I'd like to add my support for this being included as an option in the next (11.4) release of openSUSE. It's easier to test new features if they're easy to install, not everyone knows their way around the repository system (that includes me). :) #9: Jose Ricardo De Leon Solis (derhundchen) (2010-09-27 00:48:59) The community of Fedora had a testing day devoted solely on systemd testing in order to report problems in it and ultimately to decide whether to make it the default or not. They also had list of criteria that systemd had to meet (but the criteria changed at the last minute). I was just thinking that we could do something similar. We could create our own list of criteria and test cases for systemd to pass (I think coolo is the right person). The openSUSE testing team and the community could provide the feedback and let coolo make the decision. + #10: Konstantinos Koudaras (warlordfff) (2011-02-22 22:16:47) + I proposed to look at this idea into GSOC ideas wiki page . We are + looking for mentors so if anyone wants to help, please add your name in + the wiki page (http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:GSOC_2011_Ideas ) -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310327

Feature changed by: matthias propst (l1zard) Feature #310327, revision 31 Title: Use systemd session manager instead of SysVinit/upstart openSUSE-11.4: Evaluation by project manager Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Vicenç Juan Tomàs Monserrat (vtomasr5) Product Manager: (Novell) Project Manager: (Novell) Engineering Manager: (Novell) Developer: (Novell) Developer: (Novell) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: systemd (http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd) is a system and session manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. systemd provides aggressive parallelization capabilities, uses socket and D-Bus activation for starting services, offers on-demand starting of daemons, keeps track of processes using Linux cgroups, supports snapshotting and restoring of the system state, maintains mount and automount points and implements an elaborate transactional dependency-based service control logic. It can work as a drop-in replacement for sysvinit. TODO: - how to have services enabled by default? - boot.crypto - have all services of a default install started natively Relations: - Init Systems: To System V, systemd, or upstart? (feature/id: 310421) Discussion: #1: Jon Nelson (jnelson-suse) (2010-08-15 00:05:47) sysvinit works and it works very well. While some other distros are going to Upstart, honestly I don't really see any significant advantage Upstart has over sysvinit, or even the Makefile-based parallel task startup. However, systemd seems like it actually rethinks the entire process, and for the better. I would like to see more supervise/runit/freedt-like functionality in systemd, but if one is to choose from among sysvinit, upstart, and systemd - it seems that there is no compelling reason to choose upstart instead of sysvinit (except for considerably smaller init scripts) but systemd has a far greater architectural technological advantage. + #12: matthias propst (l1zard) (2011-02-23 17:23:03) (reply to #1) + i agree. we really should stay with sys V. And it doesn't bother me + whether i have upstart starts faster since i restart my computer once + in a month. #2: Jose Ricardo De Leon Solis (derhundchen) (2010-08-15 07:50:39) I've looked at systemd's git repo and there are already seven releases tagged in it. Also, Kay Sievers has pushed several suse-specific patches, so it should work on openSUSE. The only thing we miss is input on its stability and reliability. If it is, I think it's worth packaging it and offer it as an option, just like we do it for upstart. Whether to make it the default or not, I think it's imperative to have Kay Sievers opinion and ultimately leave the decision to coolo. #3: Denny Beyer (lumnis) (2010-08-23 21:22:36) Now, that fedora uses systemd as default system, I hope systemd will make it as default into openSUSE 11.4. Any objections? #4: Jose Ricardo De Leon Solis (derhundchen) (2010-09-15 05:58:42) Apparently systemd won't be the default init system in Fedora 14. There are sitll concerns about its stability and has been deferred to Fedora 15. I think it would be wise to do the same for openSUSE. Lets make it the default for the next version. #5: Denny Beyer (lumnis) (2010-09-16 11:41:26) (reply to #4) I have seen those news as well. Maybe good to make it default in the next version, any chance to get it as an option in 11.4 - for people interested? #6: Stephen Shaw (decriptor) (2010-09-16 17:26:31) (reply to #5) I was asking coolo about this the other day... I think it is built in OBS somewhere, so that doesn't seem unrealistic if not already the case.  I'm sure some serious testing and help with this would go a long way to really considering it for openSUSE.  I believe though it also requires at least the 2.6.35 kernel as of right now.  The 2.6.36 rc4 kernel is packaged in Kernel repository (on OBS).  The issue I had with 2.6.36 was that something was deprecated and drivers such as nvidia and virtualbox wouldn't build.  #8: Ralph Ulrich (ulenrich) (2010-09-17 15:46:52) (reply to #4) Sure there are concerns: init is core! Against Fedora 14 decision was made up because of pure feelings (one other important decision holder failed to attend fedoras irc meeting). If this is taken as grounds for openSUSE decision...  :( Reason to defer: Is the interface settled to stable grounds? Chance of openSUSE: We release much later than Fedora14. #7: Bill Pye (phoenix911uk) (2010-09-17 14:10:04) I'm running systemd on my current 11.3 system and it seems to have no problems that I've experience and gives a nice quick boot speed to the desktop. I'd like to add my support for this being included as an option in the next (11.4) release of openSUSE. It's easier to test new features if they're easy to install, not everyone knows their way around the repository system (that includes me). :) #9: Jose Ricardo De Leon Solis (derhundchen) (2010-09-27 00:48:59) The community of Fedora had a testing day devoted solely on systemd testing in order to report problems in it and ultimately to decide whether to make it the default or not. They also had list of criteria that systemd had to meet (but the criteria changed at the last minute). I was just thinking that we could do something similar. We could create our own list of criteria and test cases for systemd to pass (I think coolo is the right person). The openSUSE testing team and the community could provide the feedback and let coolo make the decision. #10: Konstantinos Koudaras (warlordfff) (2011-02-22 22:16:47) I proposed to look at this idea into GSOC ideas wiki page . We are looking for mentors so if anyone wants to help, please add your name in the wiki page (http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:GSOC_2011_Ideas ) #11: Manu Gupta (manugupt1) (2011-02-23 05:36:09) (reply to #10) I think it will be there already in 11.4 RC2 has it.. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310327

Feature changed by: Robert Xu (bravoall1552) Feature #310327, revision 34 Title: Use systemd session manager instead of SysVinit/upstart openSUSE-11.4: Evaluation by project manager Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Vicenç Juan Tomàs Monserrat (vtomasr5) Product Manager: (Novell) Project Manager: (Novell) Engineering Manager: (Novell) Developer: (Novell) Developer: (Novell) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: systemd (http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd) is a system and session manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. systemd provides aggressive parallelization capabilities, uses socket and D-Bus activation for starting services, offers on-demand starting of daemons, keeps track of processes using Linux cgroups, supports snapshotting and restoring of the system state, maintains mount and automount points and implements an elaborate transactional dependency-based service control logic. It can work as a drop-in replacement for sysvinit. TODO: - how to have services enabled by default? - boot.crypto - have all services of a default install started natively Relations: - Init Systems: To System V, systemd, or upstart? (feature/id: 310421) Discussion: #1: Jon Nelson (jnelson-suse) (2010-08-15 00:05:47) sysvinit works and it works very well. While some other distros are going to Upstart, honestly I don't really see any significant advantage Upstart has over sysvinit, or even the Makefile-based parallel task startup. However, systemd seems like it actually rethinks the entire process, and for the better. I would like to see more supervise/runit/freedt-like functionality in systemd, but if one is to choose from among sysvinit, upstart, and systemd - it seems that there is no compelling reason to choose upstart instead of sysvinit (except for considerably smaller init scripts) but systemd has a far greater architectural technological advantage. #12: matthias propst (l1zard) (2011-02-23 17:23:03) (reply to #1) i agree. we really should stay with sys V. And it doesn't bother me whether i have upstart starts faster since i restart my computer once in a month. #2: Jose Ricardo De Leon Solis (derhundchen) (2010-08-15 07:50:39) I've looked at systemd's git repo and there are already seven releases tagged in it. Also, Kay Sievers has pushed several suse-specific patches, so it should work on openSUSE. The only thing we miss is input on its stability and reliability. If it is, I think it's worth packaging it and offer it as an option, just like we do it for upstart. Whether to make it the default or not, I think it's imperative to have Kay Sievers opinion and ultimately leave the decision to coolo. #3: Denny Beyer (lumnis) (2010-08-23 21:22:36) Now, that fedora uses systemd as default system, I hope systemd will make it as default into openSUSE 11.4. Any objections? #4: Jose Ricardo De Leon Solis (derhundchen) (2010-09-15 05:58:42) Apparently systemd won't be the default init system in Fedora 14. There are sitll concerns about its stability and has been deferred to Fedora 15. I think it would be wise to do the same for openSUSE. Lets make it the default for the next version. #5: Denny Beyer (lumnis) (2010-09-16 11:41:26) (reply to #4) I have seen those news as well. Maybe good to make it default in the next version, any chance to get it as an option in 11.4 - for people interested? #6: Stephen Shaw (decriptor) (2010-09-16 17:26:31) (reply to #5) I was asking coolo about this the other day... I think it is built in OBS somewhere, so that doesn't seem unrealistic if not already the case.  I'm sure some serious testing and help with this would go a long way to really considering it for openSUSE.  I believe though it also requires at least the 2.6.35 kernel as of right now.  The 2.6.36 rc4 kernel is packaged in Kernel repository (on OBS).  The issue I had with 2.6.36 was that something was deprecated and drivers such as nvidia and virtualbox wouldn't build.  #8: Ralph Ulrich (ulenrich) (2010-09-17 15:46:52) (reply to #4) Sure there are concerns: init is core! Against Fedora 14 decision was made up because of pure feelings (one other important decision holder failed to attend fedoras irc meeting). If this is taken as grounds for openSUSE decision...  :( Reason to defer: Is the interface settled to stable grounds? Chance of openSUSE: We release much later than Fedora14. #7: Bill Pye (phoenix911uk) (2010-09-17 14:10:04) I'm running systemd on my current 11.3 system and it seems to have no problems that I've experience and gives a nice quick boot speed to the desktop. I'd like to add my support for this being included as an option in the next (11.4) release of openSUSE. It's easier to test new features if they're easy to install, not everyone knows their way around the repository system (that includes me). :) #9: Jose Ricardo De Leon Solis (derhundchen) (2010-09-27 00:48:59) The community of Fedora had a testing day devoted solely on systemd testing in order to report problems in it and ultimately to decide whether to make it the default or not. They also had list of criteria that systemd had to meet (but the criteria changed at the last minute). I was just thinking that we could do something similar. We could create our own list of criteria and test cases for systemd to pass (I think coolo is the right person). The openSUSE testing team and the community could provide the feedback and let coolo make the decision. #10: Konstantinos Koudaras (warlordfff) (2011-02-22 22:16:47) I proposed to look at this idea into GSOC ideas wiki page . We are looking for mentors so if anyone wants to help, please add your name in the wiki page (http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:GSOC_2011_Ideas ) #11: Manu Gupta (manugupt1) (2011-02-23 05:36:09) (reply to #10) I think it will be there already in 11.4 RC2 has it.. #13: Roman Bysh (romanator) (2011-02-23 17:47:52) (reply to #11) Systemd is under heavy development. However, it has not been perfected to 100% for 11.4. The file "systemd" has been included for users to try out in openSUSE 11.4. When and if "systemd" is perfected to 100%, we may see it incorporated into openSUSE 11.5. + #14: Robert Xu (bravoall1552) (2011-04-03 03:35:50) + Wouldn't making systemd a default for openSUSE also make it easier for + plymouth to become the default bootsplash as well? -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310327

Feature changed by: Frederic Crozat (fcrozat) Feature #310327, revision 38 Title: Use systemd session manager instead of SysVinit/upstart - openSUSE-11.4: Evaluation by project manager + openSUSE-11.4: Implementation Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Vicenç Juan Tomàs Monserrat (vtomasr5) Product Manager: (Novell) Project Manager: (Novell) Engineering Manager: (Novell) Developer: (Novell) Developer: (Novell) + Developer: (Novell) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: systemd (http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd) is a system and session manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. systemd provides aggressive parallelization capabilities, uses socket and D-Bus activation for starting services, offers on-demand starting of daemons, keeps track of processes using Linux cgroups, supports snapshotting and restoring of the system state, maintains mount and automount points and implements an elaborate transactional dependency-based service control logic. It can work as a drop-in replacement for sysvinit. TODO: - how to have services enabled by default? - boot.crypto - have all services of a default install started natively Relations: - Init Systems: To System V, systemd, or upstart? (feature/id: 310421) Discussion: #1: Jon Nelson (jnelson-suse) (2010-08-15 00:05:47) sysvinit works and it works very well. While some other distros are going to Upstart, honestly I don't really see any significant advantage Upstart has over sysvinit, or even the Makefile-based parallel task startup. However, systemd seems like it actually rethinks the entire process, and for the better. I would like to see more supervise/runit/freedt-like functionality in systemd, but if one is to choose from among sysvinit, upstart, and systemd - it seems that there is no compelling reason to choose upstart instead of sysvinit (except for considerably smaller init scripts) but systemd has a far greater architectural technological advantage. #12: matthias propst (l1zard) (2011-02-23 17:23:03) (reply to #1) i agree. we really should stay with sys V. And it doesn't bother me whether i have upstart starts faster since i restart my computer once in a month. #2: Jose Ricardo De Leon Solis (derhundchen) (2010-08-15 07:50:39) I've looked at systemd's git repo and there are already seven releases tagged in it. Also, Kay Sievers has pushed several suse-specific patches, so it should work on openSUSE. The only thing we miss is input on its stability and reliability. If it is, I think it's worth packaging it and offer it as an option, just like we do it for upstart. Whether to make it the default or not, I think it's imperative to have Kay Sievers opinion and ultimately leave the decision to coolo. #3: Denny Beyer (lumnis) (2010-08-23 21:22:36) Now, that fedora uses systemd as default system, I hope systemd will make it as default into openSUSE 11.4. Any objections? #4: Jose Ricardo De Leon Solis (derhundchen) (2010-09-15 05:58:42) Apparently systemd won't be the default init system in Fedora 14. There are sitll concerns about its stability and has been deferred to Fedora 15. I think it would be wise to do the same for openSUSE. Lets make it the default for the next version. #5: Denny Beyer (lumnis) (2010-09-16 11:41:26) (reply to #4) I have seen those news as well. Maybe good to make it default in the next version, any chance to get it as an option in 11.4 - for people interested? #6: Stephen Shaw (decriptor) (2010-09-16 17:26:31) (reply to #5) I was asking coolo about this the other day... I think it is built in OBS somewhere, so that doesn't seem unrealistic if not already the case.  I'm sure some serious testing and help with this would go a long way to really considering it for openSUSE.  I believe though it also requires at least the 2.6.35 kernel as of right now.  The 2.6.36 rc4 kernel is packaged in Kernel repository (on OBS).  The issue I had with 2.6.36 was that something was deprecated and drivers such as nvidia and virtualbox wouldn't build.  #8: Ralph Ulrich (ulenrich) (2010-09-17 15:46:52) (reply to #4) Sure there are concerns: init is core! Against Fedora 14 decision was made up because of pure feelings (one other important decision holder failed to attend fedoras irc meeting). If this is taken as grounds for openSUSE decision...  :( Reason to defer: Is the interface settled to stable grounds? Chance of openSUSE: We release much later than Fedora14. #7: Bill Pye (phoenix911uk) (2010-09-17 14:10:04) I'm running systemd on my current 11.3 system and it seems to have no problems that I've experience and gives a nice quick boot speed to the desktop. I'd like to add my support for this being included as an option in the next (11.4) release of openSUSE. It's easier to test new features if they're easy to install, not everyone knows their way around the repository system (that includes me). :) #9: Jose Ricardo De Leon Solis (derhundchen) (2010-09-27 00:48:59) The community of Fedora had a testing day devoted solely on systemd testing in order to report problems in it and ultimately to decide whether to make it the default or not. They also had list of criteria that systemd had to meet (but the criteria changed at the last minute). I was just thinking that we could do something similar. We could create our own list of criteria and test cases for systemd to pass (I think coolo is the right person). The openSUSE testing team and the community could provide the feedback and let coolo make the decision. #10: Konstantinos Koudaras (warlordfff) (2011-02-22 22:16:47) I proposed to look at this idea into GSOC ideas wiki page . We are looking for mentors so if anyone wants to help, please add your name in the wiki page (http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:GSOC_2011_Ideas ) #11: Manu Gupta (manugupt1) (2011-02-23 05:36:09) (reply to #10) I think it will be there already in 11.4 RC2 has it.. #13: Roman Bysh (romanator) (2011-02-23 17:47:52) (reply to #11) Systemd is under heavy development. However, it has not been perfected to 100% for 11.4. The file "systemd" has been included for users to try out in openSUSE 11.4. When and if "systemd" is perfected to 100%, we may see it incorporated into openSUSE 11.5. #14: Robert Xu (bravoall1552) (2011-04-03 03:35:50) Wouldn't making systemd a default for openSUSE also make it easier for plymouth to become the default bootsplash as well? #15: Roman Bysh (romanator) (2011-06-06 19:25:40) We may see this in openSUSE 12.1. Keep following the Factory mailinglist. + #16: Frederic Crozat (fcrozat) (2011-06-14 10:56:23) (reply to #15) + indeed, see + http://blog.crozat.net/2011/06/road-to-systemd-for-opensuse-121.html for + the plan -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310327

Feature changed by: Thomas Schmidt (digitaltomm) Feature #310327, revision 40 Title: Use systemd session manager instead of SysVinit/upstart - openSUSE-11.4: Implementation + openSUSE-11.4: Done Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Vicenç Juan Tomàs Monserrat (vtomasr5) Developer: Kay Sievers (kay_sievers) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: systemd (http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd) is a system and session manager for Linux, compatible with SysV and LSB init scripts. systemd provides aggressive parallelization capabilities, uses socket and D-Bus activation for starting services, offers on-demand starting of daemons, keeps track of processes using Linux cgroups, supports snapshotting and restoring of the system state, maintains mount and automount points and implements an elaborate transactional dependency-based service control logic. It can work as a drop-in replacement for sysvinit. TODO: - how to have services enabled by default? - boot.crypto - have all services of a default install started natively Relations: - Init Systems: To System V, systemd, or upstart? (feature/id: 310421) Discussion: #1: Jon Nelson (jnelson-suse) (2010-08-15 00:05:47) sysvinit works and it works very well. While some other distros are going to Upstart, honestly I don't really see any significant advantage Upstart has over sysvinit, or even the Makefile-based parallel task startup. However, systemd seems like it actually rethinks the entire process, and for the better. I would like to see more supervise/runit/freedt-like functionality in systemd, but if one is to choose from among sysvinit, upstart, and systemd - it seems that there is no compelling reason to choose upstart instead of sysvinit (except for considerably smaller init scripts) but systemd has a far greater architectural technological advantage. #12: matthias propst (l1zard) (2011-02-23 17:23:03) (reply to #1) i agree. we really should stay with sys V. And it doesn't bother me whether i have upstart starts faster since i restart my computer once in a month. #2: Jose Ricardo De Leon Solis (derhundchen) (2010-08-15 07:50:39) I've looked at systemd's git repo and there are already seven releases tagged in it. Also, Kay Sievers has pushed several suse-specific patches, so it should work on openSUSE. The only thing we miss is input on its stability and reliability. If it is, I think it's worth packaging it and offer it as an option, just like we do it for upstart. Whether to make it the default or not, I think it's imperative to have Kay Sievers opinion and ultimately leave the decision to coolo. #3: Denny Beyer (lumnis) (2010-08-23 21:22:36) Now, that fedora uses systemd as default system, I hope systemd will make it as default into openSUSE 11.4. Any objections? #4: Jose Ricardo De Leon Solis (derhundchen) (2010-09-15 05:58:42) Apparently systemd won't be the default init system in Fedora 14. There are sitll concerns about its stability and has been deferred to Fedora 15. I think it would be wise to do the same for openSUSE. Lets make it the default for the next version. #5: Denny Beyer (lumnis) (2010-09-16 11:41:26) (reply to #4) I have seen those news as well. Maybe good to make it default in the next version, any chance to get it as an option in 11.4 - for people interested? #6: Stephen Shaw (decriptor) (2010-09-16 17:26:31) (reply to #5) I was asking coolo about this the other day... I think it is built in OBS somewhere, so that doesn't seem unrealistic if not already the case.  I'm sure some serious testing and help with this would go a long way to really considering it for openSUSE.  I believe though it also requires at least the 2.6.35 kernel as of right now.  The 2.6.36 rc4 kernel is packaged in Kernel repository (on OBS).  The issue I had with 2.6.36 was that something was deprecated and drivers such as nvidia and virtualbox wouldn't build.  #8: Ralph Ulrich (ulenrich) (2010-09-17 15:46:52) (reply to #4) Sure there are concerns: init is core! Against Fedora 14 decision was made up because of pure feelings (one other important decision holder failed to attend fedoras irc meeting). If this is taken as grounds for openSUSE decision...  :( Reason to defer: Is the interface settled to stable grounds? Chance of openSUSE: We release much later than Fedora14. #7: Bill Pye (phoenix911uk) (2010-09-17 14:10:04) I'm running systemd on my current 11.3 system and it seems to have no problems that I've experience and gives a nice quick boot speed to the desktop. I'd like to add my support for this being included as an option in the next (11.4) release of openSUSE. It's easier to test new features if they're easy to install, not everyone knows their way around the repository system (that includes me). :) #9: Jose Ricardo De Leon Solis (derhundchen) (2010-09-27 00:48:59) The community of Fedora had a testing day devoted solely on systemd testing in order to report problems in it and ultimately to decide whether to make it the default or not. They also had list of criteria that systemd had to meet (but the criteria changed at the last minute). I was just thinking that we could do something similar. We could create our own list of criteria and test cases for systemd to pass (I think coolo is the right person). The openSUSE testing team and the community could provide the feedback and let coolo make the decision. #10: Konstantinos Koudaras (warlordfff) (2011-02-22 22:16:47) I proposed to look at this idea into GSOC ideas wiki page . We are looking for mentors so if anyone wants to help, please add your name in the wiki page (http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:GSOC_2011_Ideas ) #11: Manu Gupta (manugupt1) (2011-02-23 05:36:09) (reply to #10) I think it will be there already in 11.4 RC2 has it.. #13: Roman Bysh (romanator) (2011-02-23 17:47:52) (reply to #11) Systemd is under heavy development. However, it has not been perfected to 100% for 11.4. The file "systemd" has been included for users to try out in openSUSE 11.4. When and if "systemd" is perfected to 100%, we may see it incorporated into openSUSE 11.5. #14: Robert Xu (bravoall1552) (2011-04-03 03:35:50) Wouldn't making systemd a default for openSUSE also make it easier for plymouth to become the default bootsplash as well? #15: Roman Bysh (romanator) (2011-06-06 19:25:40) We may see this in openSUSE 12.1. Keep following the Factory mailinglist. #16: Frederic Crozat (fcrozat) (2011-06-14 10:56:23) (reply to #15) indeed, see http://blog.crozat.net/2011/06/road-to-systemd-for-opensuse-121.html for the plan -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310327