Feature changed by: andrea florio (anubisg1) Feature #310621, revision 3 Title: Get rid of %suse_update_desktop_files openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Cristian Morales Vega (reddwarf) Description: In less than a month we will have the openSUSE Conference 2010 with the motto "Collaboration across Borders". So I think it's a good time to fix this. The openSUSE Build Service is a great tool, and with mostly just some "Substitutes" you can have a single spec file, mostly without %if's, that will build in any RPM-based distro. Now in my experience one of the most problematic things is the %suse_update_desktop_files macro. That forces to add ugly "%if 0%{?suse_version}" to every package with a .desktop file. One would say openSUSE could just do as Fedora and use freedesktop's desktop-file-install, deprecating %suse_update_desktop_files. But it's my understanding %suse_update_desktop_files is also used, somehow, for translations. I would like to help here. But I don't thing there is much documentation about how translations/X-SuSE-translate/% suse_update_desktop_files exactly work (I have been packaging for some years now and have no idea). But, from my ignorance, I would say that if Fedora can we can also handle translations in a way that doesn't requires of that macro. I don't know, perhaps this can be solved through OBS's prjconf in a way that Fedora/Mandriva targets work even if the spec file uses % suse_update_desktop_files (redefining the macro to use desktop-file- install?) but I'm not sure if that's possible. Otherwise openSUSE should stop using that macro... Perhaps it will take years to fix all packages, but we should at least deprecate it and define a clear path of how this should be done from now.   P.S. Any link explaining the translations/X-SuSE-translate/% suse_update_desktop_files is welcome.   + Discussion: + #1: andrea florio (anubisg1) (2010-10-03 11:19:25) + i'm against it! suse has things better than other distro... we should + keep them! + %suse_update_desktop_files is able to mark a string as "translatable" + so you can have them translated using only .po + translations are in particular handled by the file: + /usr/share/locale/<LANGUAGE>/LC_MESSAGES/desktop_translations.mo + let me try do describe why this way is better. + STANDARD/FREEDESKTOP way: + all translations if available are into the .desktop file itsealf like + here: +   + [Desktop Entry] Encoding=UTF-8 Name=LXTerminal Name[af]=LXTerminal Name + [ar]=LXTerminal Name[bg]=LXTerminal Name[bn_IN]=LXTerminal Name[ca] + =LXTerminal Name[cs]=LXTerminal Name[da]=LXTerminal Name[de]=LXTerminal + Name[el]=LXTerminal Name[es]=LXTerminal Name[es_VE]=LXTerminal Name[et] + =LXTerminal Name[eu]=LXTerminal Name[fa]=پایانه ی LX Name[fi] + =LXTerminal Name[fr]=LXTerminal Name[frp]=LXTerminal Name[gl] + =LXTerminal Name[he]=תוכנית הדמיית המסוף LXTerminal Name[hr]=LXTerminal + Name[hu]=LXTerminal Name[id]=LXTerminal Name[it]=LXTerminal Name[ja] + =LXTerminal Name[lt]=LXTerminal Name[ms]=LXTerminal Name[nb]=LXTerminal + Name[nl]=LXTerminal Name[nn]=LXTerminal Name[pl]=LXTerminal Name[pt] + =LXTerminal Name[pt_BR]=LXTerminal Name[ru]=LXTerminal Name[sk] + =LXTerminal Name[sl]=LXTerminal Name[sr]=LXTerminal Name[sv]=LXTerminal + Name[tr]=LXTerminal Name[uk]=LX-термінал Name[ur]=ایل ایکس ٹرمنل Name + [ur_PK]=ایل ایکس ٹرمنل Name[vi]=LXTerminal Name[zh_CN]=LX 终端 Name[zh_TW] + =LX 終端機 GenericName=Terminal GenericName[af]=Terminaal GenericName[ar] + =شاشة طرفية GenericName[bg]=Терминал GenericName[ca]=Terminal + GenericName[cs]=Terminál GenericName[da]=Terminal GenericName[de] + =Terminal GenericName[el]=Τερματι + κό GenericName[es]=Terminal GenericName[es_VE]=Terminal + GenericName[et]=Terminal GenericName[eu]=Terminala GenericName[fa] + =پایانه GenericName[fi]=Pääte GenericName[fr]=Terminal GenericName[gl] + =Terminal GenericName[he]=מסוף GenericName[hr]=Terminal GenericName[hu] + =Terminál GenericName[id]=Terminal GenericName[it]=Terminale GenericName + [ja]=端末 GenericName[ko]=터미널 GenericName[lt]=Terminalas GenericName[ml] + =ടെ‍ര്മിനല് GenericName[ms]=Terminal GenericName[nb]=Terminal + GenericName[nl]=Terminalvenster GenericName[nn]=Terminal GenericName[pl] + =Terminal GenericName[pt]=Terminal GenericName[pt_BR]=Terminal + GenericName[ru]=Терминал GenericName[sk]=Terminál GenericName[sl] + =Konzola GenericName[sr]=Терминал GenericName[sv]=Terminal GenericName + [tr]=Uçbirim GenericName[uk]=Термінал GenericName[vi]=Cửa sổ lệnh + GenericName[zh_CN]=终端 GenericName[zh_TW]=終端機 Comment=Use the command + line Comment[af]=Gebruik die opdraglyn Comment[ar]=استخدِم سطر الأوامر + Comment[bg]=Използване на команден ред Comment[ca]=Utilitza la línia + d'ordres Comment[cs]=Používat příkazový řádek Comment[da]=Brug + kommandolinjen Comment[de]=Befehlszeile verwenden Comment[el]=Χρ + ήση γραμμής εντ + ολών Comment[es]=Usar la línea de comandos Comment + [es_VE]=Usar la línea de comandos Comment[et]=Käsurea kasutamine Comment + [eu]=Erabili komando-lerroa Comment[fa]=استفاده از خط فرمان Comment[fi] + =Käytä komentoriviä Comment[fr]=Utiliser la ligne de commande Comment + [gl]=Usar a liña de ordes Comment[he]=שימוש בשורת הפקודה Comment[hr] + =Koristi naredbeni redak Comment[hu]=Parancssor használata Comment[id] + =Gunakan perintah baris Comment[it]=Usa la riga di comando Comment[ja]=コ + マンド・ライン端末です Comment[ko]=명령 행을 사용합니다 Comment[lt]=Naudoti komandų eilutę + Comment[nb]=Bruk kommandolinjen Comment[nl]=Gebruik de opdrachtregel + Comment[nn]=Bruk kommandolinja Comment[pl]=Wiersz poleceń Comment[pt] + =Utilizar a linha de comando Comment[pt_BR]=Use a linha de comando + Comment[ru]=Использовать командную строку Comment[sk]=Použiť príkazový + riadok Comment[sl]=Uporabi konzolo Comment[sr]=Користите линију наредби + Comment[sv]=Använd kommandoraden Comment[tr]=Komut satırını kullan + Comment[uk]=Використати командну стрічку Comment[vi]=Dùng dòng lệnh + Comment[zh_CN]=使用命令行 Comment[zh_TW]=使用命令列 TryExec=lxterminal + Exec=lxterminal Icon=lxterminal Type=Application Categories=GTK;Utility; + TerminalEmulator;System; +   + that make the .desktop file incredibly long, verbose, and with the need + to RE-INSTALL it in case a new translation in added. most likely new + translation will not be added, re-install an rpm because of that is + only a waste of time/bandwitch ecc. +   + openSUSE way using %suse_update_desktop_file : + example of YaST.desktop +   + [Desktop Entry] X-SuSE-translate=true Type=Application + Categories=Settings;System;X-SuSE-Core-System;X-SuSE-ControlCenter- + System; Name=YaST Icon=yast GenericName=Administrator Settings + Exec=/usr/bin/xdg-su -c /sbin/yast2 Encoding=UTF-8 +   + no specific translations are into the .desktop file itsealf, instead as + i said are into: + /usr/share/locale/<LANGUAGE>/LC_MESSAGES/desktop_translations.mo + if a new language is added, or a translation upgrade occurr you have + only to upgrade the "desktop-translations" package. +   + this is more effective in case 2 or more packages need the .desktop + file to be upgtrade... in the "others" way you have to upgrade all the + packages, with our you upgrade ONLY desktop-translations. +   + for me is not a good idea to remove what use added as improvments.. and + add a simple %suse_version is not a much big deal if i can have big + improvments. +   + my 2 cents +   -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310621

Feature changed by: Ludwig Nussel (lnussel) Feature #310621, revision 5 Title: Get rid of %suse_update_desktop_files openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Cristian Morales Vega (reddwarf) Description: In less than a month we will have the openSUSE Conference 2010 with the motto "Collaboration across Borders". So I think it's a good time to fix this. The openSUSE Build Service is a great tool, and with mostly just some "Substitutes" you can have a single spec file, mostly without %if's, that will build in any RPM-based distro. Now in my experience one of the most problematic things is the %suse_update_desktop_files macro. That forces to add ugly "%if 0%{?suse_version}" to every package with a .desktop file. One would say openSUSE could just do as Fedora and use freedesktop's desktop-file-install, deprecating %suse_update_desktop_files. But it's my understanding %suse_update_desktop_files is also used, somehow, for translations. I would like to help here. But I don't thing there is much documentation about how translations/X-SuSE-translate/% suse_update_desktop_files exactly work (I have been packaging for some years now and have no idea). But, from my ignorance, I would say that if Fedora can we can also handle translations in a way that doesn't requires of that macro. I don't know, perhaps this can be solved through OBS's prjconf in a way that Fedora/Mandriva targets work even if the spec file uses % suse_update_desktop_files (redefining the macro to use desktop-file- install?) but I'm not sure if that's possible. Otherwise openSUSE should stop using that macro... Perhaps it will take years to fix all packages, but we should at least deprecate it and define a clear path of how this should be done from now.   P.S. Any link explaining the translations/X-SuSE-translate/% suse_update_desktop_files is welcome.   Discussion: #1: andrea florio (anubisg1) (2010-10-03 11:19:25) i'm against it! suse has things better than other distro... we should keep them! %suse_update_desktop_files is able to mark a string as "translatable" so you can have them translated using only .po translations are in particular handled by the file: /usr/share/locale/<LANGUAGE>/LC_MESSAGES/desktop_translations.mo let me try do describe why this way is better. STANDARD/FREEDESKTOP way: all translations if available are into the .desktop file itsealf like here:   [Desktop Entry] Encoding=UTF-8 Name=LXTerminal Name[af]=LXTerminal Name [ar]=LXTerminal Name[bg]=LXTerminal Name[bn_IN]=LXTerminal Name[ca] =LXTerminal Name[cs]=LXTerminal Name[da]=LXTerminal Name[de]=LXTerminal Name[el]=LXTerminal Name[es]=LXTerminal Name[es_VE]=LXTerminal Name[et] =LXTerminal Name[eu]=LXTerminal Name[fa]=پایانه ی LX Name[fi] =LXTerminal Name[fr]=LXTerminal Name[frp]=LXTerminal Name[gl] =LXTerminal Name[he]=תוכנית הדמיית המסוף LXTerminal Name[hr]=LXTerminal Name[hu]=LXTerminal Name[id]=LXTerminal Name[it]=LXTerminal Name[ja] =LXTerminal Name[lt]=LXTerminal Name[ms]=LXTerminal Name[nb]=LXTerminal Name[nl]=LXTerminal Name[nn]=LXTerminal Name[pl]=LXTerminal Name[pt] =LXTerminal Name[pt_BR]=LXTerminal Name[ru]=LXTerminal Name[sk] =LXTerminal Name[sl]=LXTerminal Name[sr]=LXTerminal Name[sv]=LXTerminal Name[tr]=LXTerminal Name[uk]=LX-термінал Name[ur]=ایل ایکس ٹرمنل Name [ur_PK]=ایل ایکس ٹرمنل Name[vi]=LXTerminal Name[zh_CN]=LX 终端 Name[zh_TW] =LX 終端機 GenericName=Terminal GenericName[af]=Terminaal GenericName[ar] =شاشة طرفية GenericName[bg]=Терминал GenericName[ca]=Terminal GenericName[cs]=Terminál GenericName[da]=Terminal GenericName[de] =Terminal GenericName[el]=Τερματι κό GenericName[es]=Terminal GenericName[es_VE]=Terminal GenericName[et]=Terminal GenericName[eu]=Terminala GenericName[fa] =پایانه GenericName[fi]=Pääte GenericName[fr]=Terminal GenericName[gl] =Terminal GenericName[he]=מסוף GenericName[hr]=Terminal GenericName[hu] =Terminál GenericName[id]=Terminal GenericName[it]=Terminale GenericName [ja]=端末 GenericName[ko]=터미널 GenericName[lt]=Terminalas GenericName[ml] =ടെ‍ര്മിനല് GenericName[ms]=Terminal GenericName[nb]=Terminal GenericName[nl]=Terminalvenster GenericName[nn]=Terminal GenericName[pl] =Terminal GenericName[pt]=Terminal GenericName[pt_BR]=Terminal GenericName[ru]=Терминал GenericName[sk]=Terminál GenericName[sl] =Konzola GenericName[sr]=Терминал GenericName[sv]=Terminal GenericName [tr]=Uçbirim GenericName[uk]=Термінал GenericName[vi]=Cửa sổ lệnh GenericName[zh_CN]=终端 GenericName[zh_TW]=終端機 Comment=Use the command line Comment[af]=Gebruik die opdraglyn Comment[ar]=استخدِم سطر الأوامر Comment[bg]=Използване на команден ред Comment[ca]=Utilitza la línia d'ordres Comment[cs]=Používat příkazový řádek Comment[da]=Brug kommandolinjen Comment[de]=Befehlszeile verwenden Comment[el]=Χρ ήση γραμμής εντ ολών Comment[es]=Usar la línea de comandos Comment [es_VE]=Usar la línea de comandos Comment[et]=Käsurea kasutamine Comment [eu]=Erabili komando-lerroa Comment[fa]=استفاده از خط فرمان Comment[fi] =Käytä komentoriviä Comment[fr]=Utiliser la ligne de commande Comment [gl]=Usar a liña de ordes Comment[he]=שימוש בשורת הפקודה Comment[hr] =Koristi naredbeni redak Comment[hu]=Parancssor használata Comment[id] =Gunakan perintah baris Comment[it]=Usa la riga di comando Comment[ja]=コ マンド・ライン端末です Comment[ko]=명령 행을 사용합니다 Comment[lt]=Naudoti komandų eilutę Comment[nb]=Bruk kommandolinjen Comment[nl]=Gebruik de opdrachtregel Comment[nn]=Bruk kommandolinja Comment[pl]=Wiersz poleceń Comment[pt] =Utilizar a linha de comando Comment[pt_BR]=Use a linha de comando Comment[ru]=Использовать командную строку Comment[sk]=Použiť príkazový riadok Comment[sl]=Uporabi konzolo Comment[sr]=Користите линију наредби Comment[sv]=Använd kommandoraden Comment[tr]=Komut satırını kullan Comment[uk]=Використати командну стрічку Comment[vi]=Dùng dòng lệnh Comment[zh_CN]=使用命令行 Comment[zh_TW]=使用命令列 TryExec=lxterminal Exec=lxterminal Icon=lxterminal Type=Application Categories=GTK;Utility; TerminalEmulator;System;   that make the .desktop file incredibly long, verbose, and with the need to RE-INSTALL it in case a new translation in added. most likely new translation will not be added, re-install an rpm because of that is only a waste of time/bandwitch ecc.   openSUSE way using %suse_update_desktop_file : example of YaST.desktop   [Desktop Entry] X-SuSE-translate=true Type=Application Categories=Settings;System;X-SuSE-Core-System;X-SuSE-ControlCenter- System; Name=YaST Icon=yast GenericName=Administrator Settings Exec=/usr/bin/xdg-su -c /sbin/yast2 Encoding=UTF-8   no specific translations are into the .desktop file itsealf, instead as i said are into: /usr/share/locale/<LANGUAGE>/LC_MESSAGES/desktop_translations.mo if a new language is added, or a translation upgrade occurr you have only to upgrade the "desktop-translations" package.   this is more effective in case 2 or more packages need the .desktop file to be upgtrade... in the "others" way you have to upgrade all the packages, with our you upgrade ONLY desktop-translations.   for me is not a good idea to remove what use added as improvments.. and add a simple %suse_version is not a much big deal if i can have big improvments.   my 2 cents   #2: andrea florio (anubisg1) (2010-10-03 11:22:03) sorry but fate don't keep the "\n" or something, you find the 2 . desktop files of the example here:   http://pastebin.com/qCrYpNEq + #3: Ludwig Nussel (lnussel) (2010-10-04 16:49:28) + nevertheless the ugly macro could be removed and instead an rpm brp + script could transparently handle the translations. -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310621

Feature changed by: Cristian Morales Vega (RedDwarf) Feature #310621, revision 8 Title: Get rid of %suse_update_desktop_files openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Cristian Morales Vega (reddwarf) Description: In less than a month we will have the openSUSE Conference 2010 with the motto "Collaboration across Borders". So I think it's a good time to fix this. The openSUSE Build Service is a great tool, and with mostly just some "Substitutes" you can have a single spec file, mostly without %if's, that will build in any RPM-based distro. Now in my experience one of the most problematic things is the %suse_update_desktop_files macro. That forces to add ugly "%if 0%{?suse_version}" to every package with a .desktop file. One would say openSUSE could just do as Fedora and use freedesktop's desktop-file-install, deprecating %suse_update_desktop_files. But it's my understanding %suse_update_desktop_files is also used, somehow, for translations. I would like to help here. But I don't thing there is much documentation about how translations/X-SuSE-translate/% suse_update_desktop_files exactly work (I have been packaging for some years now and have no idea). But, from my ignorance, I would say that if Fedora can we can also handle translations in a way that doesn't requires of that macro. I don't know, perhaps this can be solved through OBS's prjconf in a way that Fedora/Mandriva targets work even if the spec file uses % suse_update_desktop_files (redefining the macro to use desktop-file- install?) but I'm not sure if that's possible. Otherwise openSUSE should stop using that macro... Perhaps it will take years to fix all packages, but we should at least deprecate it and define a clear path of how this should be done from now.   P.S. Any link explaining the translations/X-SuSE-translate/% suse_update_desktop_files is welcome.   Discussion: #1: andrea florio (anubisg1) (2010-10-03 11:19:25) i'm against it! suse has things better than other distro... we should keep them! %suse_update_desktop_files is able to mark a string as "translatable" so you can have them translated using only .po translations are in particular handled by the file: /usr/share/locale/<LANGUAGE>/LC_MESSAGES/desktop_translations.mo let me try do describe why this way is better. STANDARD/FREEDESKTOP way: all translations if available are into the .desktop file itsealf like here:   [Desktop Entry] Encoding=UTF-8 Name=LXTerminal Name[af]=LXTerminal Name [ar]=LXTerminal Name[bg]=LXTerminal Name[bn_IN]=LXTerminal Name[ca] =LXTerminal Name[cs]=LXTerminal Name[da]=LXTerminal Name[de]=LXTerminal Name[el]=LXTerminal Name[es]=LXTerminal Name[es_VE]=LXTerminal Name[et] =LXTerminal Name[eu]=LXTerminal Name[fa]=پایانه ی LX Name[fi] =LXTerminal Name[fr]=LXTerminal Name[frp]=LXTerminal Name[gl] =LXTerminal Name[he]=תוכנית הדמיית המסוף LXTerminal Name[hr]=LXTerminal Name[hu]=LXTerminal Name[id]=LXTerminal Name[it]=LXTerminal Name[ja] =LXTerminal Name[lt]=LXTerminal Name[ms]=LXTerminal Name[nb]=LXTerminal Name[nl]=LXTerminal Name[nn]=LXTerminal Name[pl]=LXTerminal Name[pt] =LXTerminal Name[pt_BR]=LXTerminal Name[ru]=LXTerminal Name[sk] =LXTerminal Name[sl]=LXTerminal Name[sr]=LXTerminal Name[sv]=LXTerminal Name[tr]=LXTerminal Name[uk]=LX-термінал Name[ur]=ایل ایکس ٹرمنل Name [ur_PK]=ایل ایکس ٹرمنل Name[vi]=LXTerminal Name[zh_CN]=LX 终端 Name[zh_TW] =LX 終端機 GenericName=Terminal GenericName[af]=Terminaal GenericName[ar] =شاشة طرفية GenericName[bg]=Терминал GenericName[ca]=Terminal GenericName[cs]=Terminál GenericName[da]=Terminal GenericName[de] =Terminal GenericName[el]=Τερματι κό GenericName[es]=Terminal GenericName[es_VE]=Terminal GenericName[et]=Terminal GenericName[eu]=Terminala GenericName[fa] =پایانه GenericName[fi]=Pääte GenericName[fr]=Terminal GenericName[gl] =Terminal GenericName[he]=מסוף GenericName[hr]=Terminal GenericName[hu] =Terminál GenericName[id]=Terminal GenericName[it]=Terminale GenericName [ja]=端末 GenericName[ko]=터미널 GenericName[lt]=Terminalas GenericName[ml] =ടെ‍ര്മിനല് GenericName[ms]=Terminal GenericName[nb]=Terminal GenericName[nl]=Terminalvenster GenericName[nn]=Terminal GenericName[pl] =Terminal GenericName[pt]=Terminal GenericName[pt_BR]=Terminal GenericName[ru]=Терминал GenericName[sk]=Terminál GenericName[sl] =Konzola GenericName[sr]=Терминал GenericName[sv]=Terminal GenericName [tr]=Uçbirim GenericName[uk]=Термінал GenericName[vi]=Cửa sổ lệnh GenericName[zh_CN]=终端 GenericName[zh_TW]=終端機 Comment=Use the command line Comment[af]=Gebruik die opdraglyn Comment[ar]=استخدِم سطر الأوامر Comment[bg]=Използване на команден ред Comment[ca]=Utilitza la línia d'ordres Comment[cs]=Používat příkazový řádek Comment[da]=Brug kommandolinjen Comment[de]=Befehlszeile verwenden Comment[el]=Χρ ήση γραμμής εντ ολών Comment[es]=Usar la línea de comandos Comment [es_VE]=Usar la línea de comandos Comment[et]=Käsurea kasutamine Comment [eu]=Erabili komando-lerroa Comment[fa]=استفاده از خط فرمان Comment[fi] =Käytä komentoriviä Comment[fr]=Utiliser la ligne de commande Comment [gl]=Usar a liña de ordes Comment[he]=שימוש בשורת הפקודה Comment[hr] =Koristi naredbeni redak Comment[hu]=Parancssor használata Comment[id] =Gunakan perintah baris Comment[it]=Usa la riga di comando Comment[ja]=コ マンド・ライン端末です Comment[ko]=명령 행을 사용합니다 Comment[lt]=Naudoti komandų eilutę Comment[nb]=Bruk kommandolinjen Comment[nl]=Gebruik de opdrachtregel Comment[nn]=Bruk kommandolinja Comment[pl]=Wiersz poleceń Comment[pt] =Utilizar a linha de comando Comment[pt_BR]=Use a linha de comando Comment[ru]=Использовать командную строку Comment[sk]=Použiť príkazový riadok Comment[sl]=Uporabi konzolo Comment[sr]=Користите линију наредби Comment[sv]=Använd kommandoraden Comment[tr]=Komut satırını kullan Comment[uk]=Використати командну стрічку Comment[vi]=Dùng dòng lệnh Comment[zh_CN]=使用命令行 Comment[zh_TW]=使用命令列 TryExec=lxterminal Exec=lxterminal Icon=lxterminal Type=Application Categories=GTK;Utility; TerminalEmulator;System;   that make the .desktop file incredibly long, verbose, and with the need to RE-INSTALL it in case a new translation in added. most likely new translation will not be added, re-install an rpm because of that is only a waste of time/bandwitch ecc.   openSUSE way using %suse_update_desktop_file : example of YaST.desktop   [Desktop Entry] X-SuSE-translate=true Type=Application Categories=Settings;System;X-SuSE-Core-System;X-SuSE-ControlCenter- System; Name=YaST Icon=yast GenericName=Administrator Settings Exec=/usr/bin/xdg-su -c /sbin/yast2 Encoding=UTF-8   no specific translations are into the .desktop file itsealf, instead as i said are into: /usr/share/locale/<LANGUAGE>/LC_MESSAGES/desktop_translations.mo if a new language is added, or a translation upgrade occurr you have only to upgrade the "desktop-translations" package.   this is more effective in case 2 or more packages need the .desktop file to be upgtrade... in the "others" way you have to upgrade all the packages, with our you upgrade ONLY desktop-translations.   for me is not a good idea to remove what use added as improvments.. and add a simple %suse_version is not a much big deal if i can have big improvments.   my 2 cents   #2: andrea florio (anubisg1) (2010-10-03 11:22:03) sorry but fate don't keep the "\n" or something, you find the 2 . desktop files of the example here:   http://pastebin.com/qCrYpNEq #3: Ludwig Nussel (lnussel) (2010-10-04 16:49:28) nevertheless the ugly macro could be removed and instead an rpm brp script could transparently handle the translations. #4: andrea florio (anubisg1) (2010-10-05 12:18:11) i'm sorry i completly disagree to remove it   why don't get rid completly of /usr/lib/rpm/suse_macros than? i do believe and strongly push that we should keep and improve everything good and better we have compared to other distros... soon or later, that way, we'll have nothing that will make suse the best choice for something. + #5: Cristian Morales Vega (reddwarf) (2010-10-09 10:41:20) + Lets see if I understand it... + %suse_update_desktop_files in non openSUSE:<version> projects just adds + a "X-SuSE-translate=true" string to the .desktop files and nothing else + happens. Doesn't have any real function, correct? + In openSUSE:<version> projects what happens? Is % + suse_update_desktop_files redefined to remove all the translations from + the .desktop file and to copy them to .po files that end in the desktop- + translations package? Or %suse_update_desktop_files still only adds the + "X-SuSE-translate=true" string and is a brp script the thing that + extracts the translations to .po files? Or it works in a completly + different way? It's still far from clear to me. +   -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310621

Feature changed by: Pavol Rusnak (prusnak) Feature #310621, revision 11 Title: Get rid of %suse_update_desktop_files openSUSE-11.4: Unconfirmed Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Cristian Morales Vega (reddwarf) Description: In less than a month we will have the openSUSE Conference 2010 with the motto "Collaboration across Borders". So I think it's a good time to fix this. The openSUSE Build Service is a great tool, and with mostly just some "Substitutes" you can have a single spec file, mostly without %if's, that will build in any RPM-based distro. Now in my experience one of the most problematic things is the %suse_update_desktop_files macro. That forces to add ugly "%if 0%{?suse_version}" to every package with a .desktop file. One would say openSUSE could just do as Fedora and use freedesktop's desktop-file-install, deprecating %suse_update_desktop_files. But it's my understanding %suse_update_desktop_files is also used, somehow, for translations. I would like to help here. But I don't thing there is much documentation about how translations/X-SuSE-translate/% suse_update_desktop_files exactly work (I have been packaging for some years now and have no idea). But, from my ignorance, I would say that if Fedora can we can also handle translations in a way that doesn't requires of that macro. I don't know, perhaps this can be solved through OBS's prjconf in a way that Fedora/Mandriva targets work even if the spec file uses % suse_update_desktop_files (redefining the macro to use desktop-file- install?) but I'm not sure if that's possible. Otherwise openSUSE should stop using that macro... Perhaps it will take years to fix all packages, but we should at least deprecate it and define a clear path of how this should be done from now.   P.S. Any link explaining the translations/X-SuSE-translate/% suse_update_desktop_files is welcome.   Discussion: #1: andrea florio (anubisg1) (2010-10-03 11:19:25) i'm against it! suse has things better than other distro... we should keep them! %suse_update_desktop_files is able to mark a string as "translatable" so you can have them translated using only .po translations are in particular handled by the file: /usr/share/locale/<LANGUAGE>/LC_MESSAGES/desktop_translations.mo let me try do describe why this way is better. STANDARD/FREEDESKTOP way: all translations if available are into the .desktop file itsealf like here:   [Desktop Entry] Encoding=UTF-8 Name=LXTerminal Name[af]=LXTerminal Name [ar]=LXTerminal Name[bg]=LXTerminal Name[bn_IN]=LXTerminal Name[ca] =LXTerminal Name[cs]=LXTerminal Name[da]=LXTerminal Name[de]=LXTerminal Name[el]=LXTerminal Name[es]=LXTerminal Name[es_VE]=LXTerminal Name[et] =LXTerminal Name[eu]=LXTerminal Name[fa]=پایانه ی LX Name[fi] =LXTerminal Name[fr]=LXTerminal Name[frp]=LXTerminal Name[gl] =LXTerminal Name[he]=תוכנית הדמיית המסוף LXTerminal Name[hr]=LXTerminal Name[hu]=LXTerminal Name[id]=LXTerminal Name[it]=LXTerminal Name[ja] =LXTerminal Name[lt]=LXTerminal Name[ms]=LXTerminal Name[nb]=LXTerminal Name[nl]=LXTerminal Name[nn]=LXTerminal Name[pl]=LXTerminal Name[pt] =LXTerminal Name[pt_BR]=LXTerminal Name[ru]=LXTerminal Name[sk] =LXTerminal Name[sl]=LXTerminal Name[sr]=LXTerminal Name[sv]=LXTerminal Name[tr]=LXTerminal Name[uk]=LX-термінал Name[ur]=ایل ایکس ٹرمنل Name [ur_PK]=ایل ایکس ٹرمنل Name[vi]=LXTerminal Name[zh_CN]=LX 终端 Name[zh_TW] =LX 終端機 GenericName=Terminal GenericName[af]=Terminaal GenericName[ar] =شاشة طرفية GenericName[bg]=Терминал GenericName[ca]=Terminal GenericName[cs]=Terminál GenericName[da]=Terminal GenericName[de] =Terminal GenericName[el]=Τερματι κό GenericName[es]=Terminal GenericName[es_VE]=Terminal GenericName[et]=Terminal GenericName[eu]=Terminala GenericName[fa] =پایانه GenericName[fi]=Pääte GenericName[fr]=Terminal GenericName[gl] =Terminal GenericName[he]=מסוף GenericName[hr]=Terminal GenericName[hu] =Terminál GenericName[id]=Terminal GenericName[it]=Terminale GenericName [ja]=端末 GenericName[ko]=터미널 GenericName[lt]=Terminalas GenericName[ml] =ടെ‍ര്മിനല് GenericName[ms]=Terminal GenericName[nb]=Terminal GenericName[nl]=Terminalvenster GenericName[nn]=Terminal GenericName[pl] =Terminal GenericName[pt]=Terminal GenericName[pt_BR]=Terminal GenericName[ru]=Терминал GenericName[sk]=Terminál GenericName[sl] =Konzola GenericName[sr]=Терминал GenericName[sv]=Terminal GenericName [tr]=Uçbirim GenericName[uk]=Термінал GenericName[vi]=Cửa sổ lệnh GenericName[zh_CN]=终端 GenericName[zh_TW]=終端機 Comment=Use the command line Comment[af]=Gebruik die opdraglyn Comment[ar]=استخدِم سطر الأوامر Comment[bg]=Използване на команден ред Comment[ca]=Utilitza la línia d'ordres Comment[cs]=Používat příkazový řádek Comment[da]=Brug kommandolinjen Comment[de]=Befehlszeile verwenden Comment[el]=Χρ ήση γραμμής εντ ολών Comment[es]=Usar la línea de comandos Comment [es_VE]=Usar la línea de comandos Comment[et]=Käsurea kasutamine Comment [eu]=Erabili komando-lerroa Comment[fa]=استفاده از خط فرمان Comment[fi] =Käytä komentoriviä Comment[fr]=Utiliser la ligne de commande Comment [gl]=Usar a liña de ordes Comment[he]=שימוש בשורת הפקודה Comment[hr] =Koristi naredbeni redak Comment[hu]=Parancssor használata Comment[id] =Gunakan perintah baris Comment[it]=Usa la riga di comando Comment[ja]=コ マンド・ライン端末です Comment[ko]=명령 행을 사용합니다 Comment[lt]=Naudoti komandų eilutę Comment[nb]=Bruk kommandolinjen Comment[nl]=Gebruik de opdrachtregel Comment[nn]=Bruk kommandolinja Comment[pl]=Wiersz poleceń Comment[pt] =Utilizar a linha de comando Comment[pt_BR]=Use a linha de comando Comment[ru]=Использовать командную строку Comment[sk]=Použiť príkazový riadok Comment[sl]=Uporabi konzolo Comment[sr]=Користите линију наредби Comment[sv]=Använd kommandoraden Comment[tr]=Komut satırını kullan Comment[uk]=Використати командну стрічку Comment[vi]=Dùng dòng lệnh Comment[zh_CN]=使用命令行 Comment[zh_TW]=使用命令列 TryExec=lxterminal Exec=lxterminal Icon=lxterminal Type=Application Categories=GTK;Utility; TerminalEmulator;System;   that make the .desktop file incredibly long, verbose, and with the need to RE-INSTALL it in case a new translation in added. most likely new translation will not be added, re-install an rpm because of that is only a waste of time/bandwitch ecc.   openSUSE way using %suse_update_desktop_file : example of YaST.desktop   [Desktop Entry] X-SuSE-translate=true Type=Application Categories=Settings;System;X-SuSE-Core-System;X-SuSE-ControlCenter- System; Name=YaST Icon=yast GenericName=Administrator Settings Exec=/usr/bin/xdg-su -c /sbin/yast2 Encoding=UTF-8   no specific translations are into the .desktop file itsealf, instead as i said are into: /usr/share/locale/<LANGUAGE>/LC_MESSAGES/desktop_translations.mo if a new language is added, or a translation upgrade occurr you have only to upgrade the "desktop-translations" package.   this is more effective in case 2 or more packages need the .desktop file to be upgtrade... in the "others" way you have to upgrade all the packages, with our you upgrade ONLY desktop-translations.   for me is not a good idea to remove what use added as improvments.. and add a simple %suse_version is not a much big deal if i can have big improvments.   my 2 cents   #2: andrea florio (anubisg1) (2010-10-03 11:22:03) sorry but fate don't keep the "\n" or something, you find the 2 . desktop files of the example here:   http://pastebin.com/qCrYpNEq #3: Ludwig Nussel (lnussel) (2010-10-04 16:49:28) nevertheless the ugly macro could be removed and instead an rpm brp script could transparently handle the translations. + #7: Pavol Rusnak (prusnak) (2010-10-20 20:45:45) (reply to #3) + I am all in favor of this feature! If there is a 100% replacement for + handling translations in brp-script we should do it as there is no + valid usecase for using this SUSE specific macro. +   + PS: You can add/edit categories, mime types, etc. using desktop-file- + install utility and if there is some functionality missing, we should + push it there (I'm sure Vincent will help us :D) #4: andrea florio (anubisg1) (2010-10-05 12:18:11) i'm sorry i completly disagree to remove it   why don't get rid completly of /usr/lib/rpm/suse_macros than? i do believe and strongly push that we should keep and improve everything good and better we have compared to other distros... soon or later, that way, we'll have nothing that will make suse the best choice for something. #5: Cristian Morales Vega (reddwarf) (2010-10-09 10:41:20) Lets see if I understand it... %suse_update_desktop_files in non openSUSE:<version> projects just adds a "X-SuSE-translate=true" string to the .desktop files and nothing else happens. Doesn't have any real function, correct? In openSUSE:<version> projects what happens? Is % suse_update_desktop_files redefined to remove all the translations from the .desktop file and to copy them to .po files that end in the desktop- translations package? Or %suse_update_desktop_files still only adds the "X-SuSE-translate=true" string and is a brp script the thing that extracts the translations to .po files? Or it works in a completly different way? It's still far from clear to me.   #6: Ilya Chernykh (ansus) (2010-10-09 11:11:44) I think whatever this script does it could be evoked automatically before the build just as the script which creates debug packages (formerly one had to have %debug_package macro in their spec but now there is no such necessity).   -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310621

Feature changed by: Tomáš Chvátal (scarabeus_iv) Feature #310621, revision 13 Title: Get rid of %suse_update_desktop_files - openSUSE Distribution: New + openSUSE Distribution: Rejected by Tomáš Chvátal (scarabeus_iv) + reject date: 2017-05-25 13:57:02 + reject reason: We do not really plan to obsolete the macro at all. Priority Requester: Desirable Requested by: Cristian Morales Vega (reddwarf) Partner organization: openSUSE.org Description: In less than a month we will have the openSUSE Conference 2010 with the motto "Collaboration across Borders". So I think it's a good time to fix this. The openSUSE Build Service is a great tool, and with mostly just some "Substitutes" you can have a single spec file, mostly without %if's, that will build in any RPM-based distro. Now in my experience one of the most problematic things is the %suse_update_desktop_files macro. That forces to add ugly "%if 0%{?suse_version}" to every package with a .desktop file. One would say openSUSE could just do as Fedora and use freedesktop's desktop-file-install, deprecating %suse_update_desktop_files. But it's my understanding %suse_update_desktop_files is also used, somehow, for translations. I would like to help here. But I don't thing there is much documentation about how translations/X-SuSE-translate/% suse_update_desktop_files exactly work (I have been packaging for some years now and have no idea). But, from my ignorance, I would say that if Fedora can we can also handle translations in a way that doesn't requires of that macro. I don't know, perhaps this can be solved through OBS's prjconf in a way that Fedora/Mandriva targets work even if the spec file uses % suse_update_desktop_files (redefining the macro to use desktop-file- install?) but I'm not sure if that's possible. Otherwise openSUSE should stop using that macro... Perhaps it will take years to fix all packages, but we should at least deprecate it and define a clear path of how this should be done from now. -   P.S. Any link explaining the translations/X-SuSE-translate/% suse_update_desktop_files is welcome. -   Discussion: #1: andrea florio (anubisg1) (2010-10-03 11:19:25) i'm against it! suse has things better than other distro... we should keep them! %suse_update_desktop_files is able to mark a string as "translatable" so you can have them translated using only .po translations are in particular handled by the file: /usr/share/locale/<LANGUAGE>/LC_MESSAGES/desktop_translations.mo let me try do describe why this way is better. STANDARD/FREEDESKTOP way: all translations if available are into the .desktop file itsealf like here: -   [Desktop Entry] Encoding=UTF-8 Name=LXTerminal Name[af]=LXTerminal Name [ar]=LXTerminal Name[bg]=LXTerminal Name[bn_IN]=LXTerminal Name[ca] =LXTerminal Name[cs]=LXTerminal Name[da]=LXTerminal Name[de]=LXTerminal Name[el]=LXTerminal Name[es]=LXTerminal Name[es_VE]=LXTerminal Name[et] =LXTerminal Name[eu]=LXTerminal Name[fa]=پایانه ی LX Name[fi] =LXTerminal Name[fr]=LXTerminal Name[frp]=LXTerminal Name[gl] =LXTerminal Name[he]=תוכנית הדמיית המסוף LXTerminal Name[hr]=LXTerminal Name[hu]=LXTerminal Name[id]=LXTerminal Name[it]=LXTerminal Name[ja] =LXTerminal Name[lt]=LXTerminal Name[ms]=LXTerminal Name[nb]=LXTerminal Name[nl]=LXTerminal Name[nn]=LXTerminal Name[pl]=LXTerminal Name[pt] =LXTerminal Name[pt_BR]=LXTerminal Name[ru]=LXTerminal Name[sk] =LXTerminal Name[sl]=LXTerminal Name[sr]=LXTerminal Name[sv]=LXTerminal Name[tr]=LXTerminal Name[uk]=LX-термінал Name[ur]=ایل ایکس ٹرمنل Name [ur_PK]=ایل ایکس ٹرمنل Name[vi]=LXTerminal Name[zh_CN]=LX 终端 Name[zh_TW] =LX 終端機 GenericName=Terminal GenericName[af]=Terminaal GenericName[ar] =شاشة طرفية GenericName[bg]=Терминал GenericName[ca]=Terminal GenericName[cs]=Terminál GenericName[da]=Terminal GenericName[de] =Terminal GenericName[el]=Τερματι κό GenericName[es]=Terminal GenericName[es_VE]=Terminal GenericName[et]=Terminal GenericName[eu]=Terminala GenericName[fa] =پایانه GenericName[fi]=Pääte GenericName[fr]=Terminal GenericName[gl] =Terminal GenericName[he]=מסוף GenericName[hr]=Terminal GenericName[hu] =Terminál GenericName[id]=Terminal GenericName[it]=Terminale GenericName [ja]=端末 GenericName[ko]=터미널 GenericName[lt]=Terminalas GenericName[ml] =ടെ‍ര്മിനല് GenericName[ms]=Terminal GenericName[nb]=Terminal GenericName[nl]=Terminalvenster GenericName[nn]=Terminal GenericName[pl] =Terminal GenericName[pt]=Terminal GenericName[pt_BR]=Terminal GenericName[ru]=Терминал GenericName[sk]=Terminál GenericName[sl] =Konzola GenericName[sr]=Терминал GenericName[sv]=Terminal GenericName [tr]=Uçbirim GenericName[uk]=Термінал GenericName[vi]=Cửa sổ lệnh GenericName[zh_CN]=终端 GenericName[zh_TW]=終端機 Comment=Use the command line Comment[af]=Gebruik die opdraglyn Comment[ar]=استخدِم سطر الأوامر Comment[bg]=Използване на команден ред Comment[ca]=Utilitza la línia d'ordres Comment[cs]=Používat příkazový řádek Comment[da]=Brug kommandolinjen Comment[de]=Befehlszeile verwenden Comment[el]=Χρ ήση γραμμής εντ ολών Comment[es]=Usar la línea de comandos Comment [es_VE]=Usar la línea de comandos Comment[et]=Käsurea kasutamine Comment [eu]=Erabili komando-lerroa Comment[fa]=استفاده از خط فرمان Comment[fi] =Käytä komentoriviä Comment[fr]=Utiliser la ligne de commande Comment [gl]=Usar a liña de ordes Comment[he]=שימוש בשורת הפקודה Comment[hr] =Koristi naredbeni redak Comment[hu]=Parancssor használata Comment[id] =Gunakan perintah baris Comment[it]=Usa la riga di comando Comment[ja]=コ マンド・ライン端末です Comment[ko]=명령 행을 사용합니다 Comment[lt]=Naudoti komandų eilutę Comment[nb]=Bruk kommandolinjen Comment[nl]=Gebruik de opdrachtregel Comment[nn]=Bruk kommandolinja Comment[pl]=Wiersz poleceń Comment[pt] =Utilizar a linha de comando Comment[pt_BR]=Use a linha de comando Comment[ru]=Использовать командную строку Comment[sk]=Použiť príkazový riadok Comment[sl]=Uporabi konzolo Comment[sr]=Користите линију наредби Comment[sv]=Använd kommandoraden Comment[tr]=Komut satırını kullan Comment[uk]=Використати командну стрічку Comment[vi]=Dùng dòng lệnh Comment[zh_CN]=使用命令行 Comment[zh_TW]=使用命令列 TryExec=lxterminal Exec=lxterminal Icon=lxterminal Type=Application Categories=GTK;Utility; TerminalEmulator;System; -   that make the .desktop file incredibly long, verbose, and with the need to RE-INSTALL it in case a new translation in added. most likely new translation will not be added, re-install an rpm because of that is only a waste of time/bandwitch ecc. -   openSUSE way using %suse_update_desktop_file : example of YaST.desktop -   [Desktop Entry] X-SuSE-translate=true Type=Application Categories=Settings;System;X-SuSE-Core-System;X-SuSE-ControlCenter- System; Name=YaST Icon=yast GenericName=Administrator Settings Exec=/usr/bin/xdg-su -c /sbin/yast2 Encoding=UTF-8 -   no specific translations are into the .desktop file itsealf, instead as i said are into: /usr/share/locale/<LANGUAGE>/LC_MESSAGES/desktop_translations.mo if a new language is added, or a translation upgrade occurr you have only to upgrade the "desktop-translations" package. -   this is more effective in case 2 or more packages need the .desktop file to be upgtrade... in the "others" way you have to upgrade all the packages, with our you upgrade ONLY desktop-translations. -   for me is not a good idea to remove what use added as improvments.. and add a simple %suse_version is not a much big deal if i can have big improvments. -   my 2 cents -   #2: andrea florio (anubisg1) (2010-10-03 11:22:03) sorry but fate don't keep the "\n" or something, you find the 2 . desktop files of the example here: -   http://pastebin.com/qCrYpNEq #3: Ludwig Nussel (lnussel) (2010-10-04 16:49:28) nevertheless the ugly macro could be removed and instead an rpm brp script could transparently handle the translations. #7: Pavol Rusnak (prusnak) (2010-10-20 20:45:45) (reply to #3) I am all in favor of this feature! If there is a 100% replacement for handling translations in brp-script we should do it as there is no valid usecase for using this SUSE specific macro. -   PS: You can add/edit categories, mime types, etc. using desktop-file- install utility and if there is some functionality missing, we should push it there (I'm sure Vincent will help us :D) #4: andrea florio (anubisg1) (2010-10-05 12:18:11) i'm sorry i completly disagree to remove it -   why don't get rid completly of /usr/lib/rpm/suse_macros than? i do believe and strongly push that we should keep and improve everything good and better we have compared to other distros... soon or later, that way, we'll have nothing that will make suse the best choice for something. #5: Cristian Morales Vega (reddwarf) (2010-10-09 10:41:20) Lets see if I understand it... %suse_update_desktop_files in non openSUSE:<version> projects just adds a "X-SuSE-translate=true" string to the .desktop files and nothing else happens. Doesn't have any real function, correct? In openSUSE:<version> projects what happens? Is % suse_update_desktop_files redefined to remove all the translations from the .desktop file and to copy them to .po files that end in the desktop- translations package? Or %suse_update_desktop_files still only adds the "X-SuSE-translate=true" string and is a brp script the thing that extracts the translations to .po files? Or it works in a completly different way? It's still far from clear to me. -   #6: Ilya Chernykh (ansus) (2010-10-09 11:11:44) I think whatever this script does it could be evoked automatically before the build just as the script which creates debug packages (formerly one had to have %debug_package macro in their spec but now there is no such necessity). -   -- openSUSE Feature: https://features.opensuse.org/310621