[opensuse-factory] Questions regarding design choices in beta 1.
I wanted to get started on a 'sneak peek' article and had some questions. 1) In order to add a wifi connection, one must give administrative access. Is this a design choice (security choice that chased Linus away) or is this a bug? 2)YaST Installer is freakishly fast. Is this entirely due to switching to Ruby? Both the loading of each 'page' of the installer as well as the actual installation process is many factors faster than it was ever before. 3)The boot process is way faster than before. Previously my computer would slow when it was getting ready to launch Gnome. Now it often doesn't have time to display the splash before the desktop has loaded. Does this have to do with having graphical sessions handled by systemd? If you can elaborate on why it's so much faster that would be great. 4)Btrfs & XFS is a really odd choice for default filesystems. I can understand using btrfs for root (though I'd like to hear your reasoning) but I don't understand why home is XFS as opposed to also being btrfs or even ext4. Very curious design choices. 5)Are we not shipping with Geeko branded art this release? Is the art being used upstream? Thank you for your time in this regard, Roger Luedecke Member and Advocate, openSUSE Project http://opensuseadventures.blogspot.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
El 06/10/14 a las #4, Roger Luedecke escribió:
I wanted to get started on a 'sneak peek' article and had some questions.
1) In order to add a wifi connection, one must give administrative access. Is this a design choice (security choice that chased Linus away) or is this a bug?
2)YaST Installer is freakishly fast. Is this entirely due to switching to Ruby? Both the loading of each 'page' of the installer as well as the actual installation process is many factors faster than it was ever before.
That speed up is probably caused by optimizations unrelated to the installer itself.. it probably does not call mkinitrd a lot anymore, there may be less steps involved..image-based installs may be in use..
3)The boot process is way faster than before. Previously my computer would slow when it was getting ready to launch Gnome. Now it often doesn't have time to display the splash before the desktop has loaded. Does this have to do with having graphical sessions handled by systemd?
Yes...AFAIK KDE is going the same route for version 5. -- Cristian "I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Hi Roger, On Mon, 2014-10-06 at 09:58 -0700, Roger Luedecke wrote:
I wanted to get started on a 'sneak peek' article and had some questions.
1) In order to add a wifi connection, one must give administrative access. Is this a design choice (security choice that chased Linus away) or is this a bug?
IF you tested GNOME: an error on my side for forgetting to rebase a patch; has since been fixed and submitted. If KDE: no idea :) somebody else please help out.
2)YaST Installer is freakishly fast. Is this entirely due to switching to Ruby? Both the loading of each 'page' of the installer as well as the actual installation process is many factors faster than it was ever before.
FILE A BUG ! :)
Dominique
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On Monday 2014-10-06 18:58, Roger Luedecke wrote:
4)Btrfs & XFS is a really odd choice for default filesystems. I can understand using btrfs for root (though I'd like to hear your reasoning) but I don't understand why home is XFS as opposed to also being btrfs or even ext4. Very curious design choices.
D.Cinner spoke some months ago: http://youtu.be/FegLbCnoBw It boils down to: ext4 falls off an unexplainable performance cliff, and btrfs is generally slow (at that point, at least), though it is the only supported option if you want the "fancy" features like COW/snapshots, ..
5)Are we not shipping with Geeko branded art this release? Is the art being used upstream?
Have you installed branding-upstream rather than branding-opensuse? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 2014-10-06 at 19:31 +0200, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Monday 2014-10-06 18:58, Roger Luedecke wrote:
4)Btrfs & XFS is a really odd choice for default filesystems. I can understand using btrfs for root (though I'd like to hear your reasoning) but I don't understand why home is XFS as opposed to also being btrfs or even ext4. Very curious design choices.
D.Cinner spoke some months ago: http://youtu.be/FegLbCnoBw It boils down to: ext4 falls off an unexplainable performance cliff, and btrfs is generally slow (at that point, at least), though it is the only supported option if you want the "fancy" features like COW/snapshots, ..
5)Are we not shipping with Geeko branded art this release? Is the art being used upstream?
Have you installed branding-upstream rather than branding-opensuse? O! So that is why my openSUSE (or any linux) installation performance seems to get sluggish after a certain time. I have no idea what was installed, I just installed the beta 1.
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On Mon, 2014-10-06 at 19:31 +0200, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
D.Cinner spoke some months ago: http://youtu.be/FegLbCnoBw It boils down to: ext4 falls off an unexplainable performance cliff, and btrfs is generally slow (at that point, at least), though it is the only supported option if you want the "fancy" features like COW/snapshots, .. This video is showing an error.
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On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Jan Engelhardt
On Monday 2014-10-06 18:58, Roger Luedecke wrote:
4)Btrfs & XFS is a really odd choice for default filesystems. I can understand using btrfs for root (though I'd like to hear your reasoning) but I don't understand why home is XFS as opposed to also being btrfs or even ext4. Very curious design choices.
D.Cinner spoke some months ago: http://youtu.be/FegLbCnoBw It boils down to: ext4 falls off an unexplainable performance cliff, and btrfs is generally slow (at that point, at least), though it is the only supported option if you want the "fancy" features like COW/snapshots, ..
That link didn't work for me, but I assume you meant this presentation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FegjLbCnoBw It's from the start of 2012, so a while ago but I have no reason to think ext4 has improved since then. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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Roger Luedecke