Onsdag den 16. november 2011 22:28:18 skrev Ken Schneider - openSUSE:

On 11/16/2011 03:23 PM, Andreas Jaeger pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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On Wednesday, November 16, 2011 09:01:08 PM Roman Bysh wrote:

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Hello all,

Do you think the Nvidia drivers for 12.1 will be uploaded today?

We tried to get this done but there seem to be new people at Nvidia and it thus is far slower than expected to move forward ;-(

Andreas

also the .repo info for the packman repo is not accurate when adding via YaST community repos. Could that be fixed as well?

It works for me. Just seems slow. I assume (hope) that is a temporary issue. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Wed, 16 Nov 2011 21:23:14 +0100 Andreas Jaeger wrote:

On Wednesday, November 16, 2011 09:01:08 PM Roman Bysh wrote:

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Hello all,

Do you think the Nvidia drivers for 12.1 will be uploaded today?

We tried to get this done but there seem to be new people at Nvidia and it thus is far slower than expected to move forward ;-(

Andreas Hi Andreas Any update to this issue, we are getting a few grumpy forum users....

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* Andreas Jaeger [11-18-11 12:54]:

On Friday, November 18, 2011 06:15:50 PM Malcolm wrote:

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Any update to this issue, we are getting a few grumpy forum users....

Sorry, this is a problem on Nvidia's side ;-( I'll remind the folks again...

The binary dl'ed from nvidia appear to work fine for me. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

* Ken Schneider - openSUSE [11-18-11 19:25]:

On 11/18/2011 03:29 PM, Patrick Shanahan pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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* Andreas Jaeger [11-18-11 12:54]:

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On Friday, November 18, 2011 06:15:50 PM Malcolm wrote:

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Any update to this issue, we are getting a few grumpy forum users....

Sorry, this is a problem on Nvidia's side ;-( I'll remind the folks again...

The binary dl'ed from nvidia appear to work fine for me.

That's great if you want to do it the _hard way_.

hard ??? init 3 sudo sh ./NVidia....bin -a init 5 requirements: kernel-<flavor>-devel hard ??? -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

* Roger Luedecke [11-18-11 22:31]:

I keep running into the problem on my machines that it doesn't want to run because nouveau is still loaded even though X is down. I wind up just booting in with x11failsafe. Then its peachy.

I tried the usual log out, and back into console mode. Tried init 3, but still nouveau is loaded.

better explanation needed to understand. did you install the ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-280.13.run binary (or some version of) ?? how did you install it? if you dropped to runlevel 3, installed the NVidia binary and returned to runlevel 5, the nouveau driver will not be loaded if the install was successful. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 11/18/2011 11:14 PM, Patrick Shanahan pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

* Roger Luedecke [11-18-11 22:31]:

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I keep running into the problem on my machines that it doesn't want to run because nouveau is still loaded even though X is down. I wind up just booting in with x11failsafe. Then its peachy.

I tried the usual log out, and back into console mode. Tried init 3, but still nouveau is loaded.

better explanation needed to understand.

did you install the ./NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-280.13.run binary (or some version of) ??

how did you install it?

if you dropped to runlevel 3, installed the NVidia binary and returned to runlevel 5, the nouveau driver will not be loaded if the install was successful.

The 12.1 repo was added last night at ftp://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/ so using YaST to add the repo and installing using YaST or zypper will install the driver. Then reboot and the driver should be used. (The easy way including kernel updates.) -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Sunday, November 20, 2011 07:26:16 AM Graham Anderson wrote:

On Friday 18 Nov 2011 23:14:59 Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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if you dropped to runlevel 3, installed the NVidia binary and returned to runlevel 5, the nouveau driver will not be loaded if the install was successful.

In the past (I think on 11.4), I have found nouveau to be included in the initrd, and blacklisting it failed to stop it being loaded. Since then I always just uninstall xorg-x11-driver-video-nouveau then run mkinitrd again, just to be sure... I have never needed to do anything to nouveau. I just install the driver, whether by package or source and it just works. Don't even need to use 'nomodeset' though the documentation says it needs to be done. -- Roger Luedecke openSUSE Ambassador Ind. Repairs and Consulting **Looking for a C++ etc. mentor*** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Ken Schneider - openSUSE [11-18-11 19:25]:

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On 11/18/2011 03:29 PM, Patrick Shanahan pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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* Andreas Jaeger [11-18-11 12:54]:

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On Friday, November 18, 2011 06:15:50 PM Malcolm wrote:

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Any update to this issue, we are getting a few grumpy forum users....

Sorry, this is a problem on Nvidia's side ;-( I'll remind the folks again...

The binary dl'ed from nvidia appear to work fine for me.

That's great if you want to do it the _hard way_.

hard ???

init 3 sudo sh ./NVidia....bin -a init 5

requirements: kernel-<flavor>-devel

hard ??? -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

I keep running into the problem on my machines that it doesn't want to run because nouveau is still loaded even though X is down. I wind up just booting in with x11failsafe. Then its peachy.

I tried the usual log out, and back into console mode. Tried init 3, but still nouveau is loaded.

Doesn't nouveau have to be blacklisted if nvidia driver is used? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

* Patrick Shanahan [11-18-11 23:30]:

* Dennis Gallien [11-18-11 23:18]:

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Doesn't nouveau have to be blacklisted if nvidia driver is used?

I didn't, ???

let me amend this, I "didn't" directly but the NVidia...run binary did. 23:44 Crash121: ~ # cat /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia.conf blacklist nouveau -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

* Dennis Gallien [11-19-11 11:04]:

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please trim quotes

Patrick, sorry but I'm not sure what "trim quotes" means. Same as a <snip>? (Other replies didn't snip the thread, so I'm confused abt if/when/how much.)

see: http://www.river.com/users/share/etiquette/ http://mailformat.dan.info/quoting/ and remember than everyone does not follow the accepted,and everyone is not courteous. gud luk, -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Fri, 18 Nov 2011 20:50:21 -0800 Roger Luedecke wrote:

On Friday, November 18, 2011 11:16:55 PM Dennis Gallien wrote:

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On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Ken Schneider - openSUSE [11-18-11 19:25]:

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On 11/18/2011 03:29 PM, Patrick Shanahan pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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* Andreas Jaeger [11-18-11 12:54]: >On Friday, November 18, 2011 06:15:50 PM Malcolm wrote: >>Any update to this issue, we are getting a few grumpy forum >>users....> >> >> >Sorry, this is a problem on Nvidia's side ;-( I'll remind the >folks again...> >> > The binary dl'ed from nvidia appear to work fine for me.

That's great if you want to do it the _hard way_.

hard ???

init 3 sudo sh ./NVidia....bin -a init 5

requirements: kernel-<flavor>-devel

hard ??? -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

I keep running into the problem on my machines that it doesn't want to run because nouveau is still loaded even though X is down. I wind up just booting in with x11failsafe. Then its peachy.

I tried the usual log out, and back into console mode. Tried init 3, but still nouveau is loaded.

Doesn't nouveau have to be blacklisted if nvidia driver is used? The instructions on our site indicated that afterwards that is to be done. Hi It's populated now; ftp://download.nvidia.com/opensuse/12.1/

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On 11/23/2011 09:30 PM, Roger Luedecke wrote:

WHat is the issue? We got the drivers days ago.

Read my previous post again and answer your question yourself: I'm talking about the driver _version_ -- the repo still has the 285, while the 290 is out in the meantime. -- POSTAL ADDRESS PHONE NUMBERS Sven Zallmann Fixed: +49 (0)2166 9797876 Hauptstrasse 35 Mobile: +49 (0)151 25997443 41236 Moenchengladbach GERMANY EMAIL ADDRESS sven.zallmann@rwth-aachen.de This email is best viewed in text mode using a monospaced font. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Thursday 24 November 2011 12:53:25 todd rme wrote:

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WHat is the issue? We got the drivers days ago.

Read my previous post again and answer your question yourself:  I'm talking about the driver _version_ -- the repo still has the 285, while the 290 is out in the meantime.

Yes, unfortunately it often takes weeks, if not months, to get new nVidia binary drivers. I have seen several cases where the previous driver version is not packaged for openSUSE until the next stable driver version is released. There are also no unstable drivers at all.

I am not sure the best way to fix this. On OBS someone can submit a new version of a package if they want, but the nvidia drivers are not allowed on OBS since they are proprietary and pre-built binaries, making it more difficult for other people to contribute.

By the way, Opera is allowed in OBS, why not the drivers? I do not say, to include them in the release by why not to just allow them in OBS? Recently Bumblebee Project packaged a number of Nvidia drivers in OBS, there was a repo for latest release and recent beta for all releases, including 12.1 and Tumbleweed and the packages worked excellent (I think it was a long-term aimed project) but it has been deleted. I still use their package with 290.03 driver. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 11/24/2011 03:58 AM, Stefan Seyfried wrote:

On 24.11.2011 10:25, Ilya Chernykh wrote:

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By the way, Opera is allowed in OBS, why not the drivers? I do not say, to include them in the release by why not to just allow them in OBS?

Closed source kernel drivers are violating the copyrights of kernel hackers AFAIU. => not allowed on OBS until you get all the kernel copyright holders to agree that they are fine with that.

And I, for one, would never agree to that. Larry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

 You  are wrong, they are NOT built on public openSUSE Build Service  instance.  Files ARE prepared on public OBS but building is done on build.suse.de  (which you can check by yourself if you do rpm -qi nvidia-gfxG02-kmp-default)  Anyway if you wanna play with new package it is already fixed and can be  built with osc localy on your machine  so doing:  osc co X11:Drivers:Video nvidia-gfxG02  cd X11:Drivers:Video/nvidia-gfxG02  osc build nvidia-gfxG02.spec # copy generated rpms to some safe place  (kernel part) because they will be deleted with next run  osc build x11-video-nvidiaG02.spec # copy again rpms to some place and just install them (or you could use my tool called UDBA which i already mentioned last year when we did not had prepared nvidia packages...) On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 3:08 AM, Ilya Chernykh wrote:

On Thursday 24 November 2011 13:58:39 Stefan Seyfried wrote:

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By the way, Opera is allowed in OBS, why not the drivers? I do not say, to include them in the release by why not to just allow them in OBS?

Closed source kernel drivers are violating the copyrights of kernel hackers AFAIU. => not allowed on OBS until you get all the kernel copyright holders to agree that they are fine with that.

As I know it violates the copyright if it is shipped as parts of one product. If the user installs it does not violate the copyright.

Also there is no difference where to place the drivers - on the nvidia server or in OBS from the copyright point of view (especially given that the packages located on the nvidia server are in fact prepared by openSUSE developers in OBS inside X11:Drivers:Video  project) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

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On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 06:55:44AM +0400, Ilya Chernykh wrote:

On Friday 25 November 2011 06:20:28 Boris Manojlovic wrote:

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 You  are wrong, they are NOT built on public openSUSE Build Service  instance.

 Files ARE prepared on public OBS but building is done on build.suse.de

So how does it affect copyright? If you build something on another server it saves you from copyright violation?

Distribution of the built RPMs is the key here. We do not distribute them, the IHV (Independend Hardware Vendor) does. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 11/24/2011 09:20 PM, Boris Manojlovic wrote:

You are wrong, they are NOT built on public openSUSE Build Service instance.

Files ARE prepared on public OBS but building is done on build.suse.de (which you can check by yourself if you do rpm -qi nvidia-gfxG02-kmp-default)

Anyway if you wanna play with new package it is already fixed and can be built with osc localy on your machine so doing: osc co X11:Drivers:Video nvidia-gfxG02 cd X11:Drivers:Video/nvidia-gfxG02 osc build nvidia-gfxG02.spec # copy generated rpms to some safe place (kernel part) because they will be deleted with next run osc build x11-video-nvidiaG02.spec # copy again rpms to some place and just install them

(or you could use my tool called UDBA which i already mentioned last year when we did not had prepared nvidia packages...)

On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 3:08 AM, Ilya Chernykh wrote:

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On Thursday 24 November 2011 13:58:39 Stefan Seyfried wrote:

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By the way, Opera is allowed in OBS, why not the drivers? I do not say, to include them in the release by why not to just allow them in OBS?

Closed source kernel drivers are violating the copyrights of kernel hackers AFAIU. => not allowed on OBS until you get all the kernel copyright holders to agree that they are fine with that.

As I know it violates the copyright if it is shipped as parts of one product. If the user installs it does not violate the copyright.

Also there is no difference where to place the drivers - on the nvidia server or in OBS from the copyright point of view (especially given that the packages located on the nvidia server are in fact prepared by openSUSE developers in OBS inside X11:Drivers:Video project) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

@Boris Where can I download UDBA? Cheers! Roman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 24.11.2011 10:34, Ilya Chernykh wrote:

I may be wrong but this project builds Nvidia drivers although they do not publish them:

No, it has build disabled. And it would not build, because the Source0 and Source1 are missing.

But their licanse information confused me: for a proprietary driver they use license "PERMISSIVE-OSI-COMPLIANT"

probably the stuff that's in that package (not Source0 and Source1) is actually licensed like that. -- Stefan Seyfried "Dispatch war rocket Ajax to bring back his body!" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 11/24/2011 03:42 PM, Daniel Fuhrmann wrote:

It released just on monday

Yes, on Monday. And on Tuesday I had it for *buntu.

and who wants to benefit from the small step 185>190 can install binary.

Quite a bold assertion you're making here that there's not much to benefit from the new version. Sometimes small steps can make a big impact -- for me, e.g., the update from 270 to 275 was necessary to prevent the machine from freezing under certain circumstances.

Give Nvidia a chance. Im happy that they do it.

Sorry, but they've been a lot faster in the past to package new driver versions. :) Kind regards Sven -- This email is best viewed in text mode using a monospaced font. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Thursday 24 November 2011 18:42:43 Daniel Fuhrmann wrote:

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Yes, unfortunately it often takes weeks, if not months, to get new nVidia binary drivers. I have seen several cases where the previous driver version is not packaged for openSUSE until the next stable driver version is released. There are also no unstable drivers at all.

It released just on monday and who wants to benefit from the small step 185>190 can install binary. Give Nvidia a chance. Im happy that they do it.

It is not Nvidia who does it. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org