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M9.

6 Nov 2008 6 Nov '08

18:43

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, I am trying to dl the 11.1B4, to see if the dvd contains the wireless-network drivers. I started this morning at half past 7, and now, at half past eight (13 Hours later) i am allready at 71.56% ! 2.94 GB, from 4.11. For me this is the last time i ever will try torrents.. So if you will continue to distribute the the sw this way, i am going to stop testing it. For me this torrent is the worst idea ever.... - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. ~ Besturingssysteem: Linux 2.6.22.17-0.1-default x86_64 ~ Current user: monkey9@AMD64x2-sfn1 ~ System: openSUSE 10.3 (x86_64) ~ KDE: 4.0.1 (KDE 4.0.1) "release 9.1" ~ OS: Linux 2.6.22.17-0.1-default x86_64 ~ Huidige gebruiker: monkey9@AMD64x2-sfn1 ~ Systeem: openSUSE 10.3 (x86_64) ~ KDE: 3.5.7 "release 72.6" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJEzrbX5/X5X6LpDgRAiLyAKDA4lVJNWZwNnglgIk9RNFukH0ocQCgjmbQ L6Zj63d0UfYMSDIfwuCfSDY= =RIS9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

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Stephan Kulow

6 Nov 6 Nov

20:25

Am Donnerstag 06 November 2008 schrieb M9.:

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Hi,

I am trying to dl the 11.1B4, to see if the dvd contains the wireless-network drivers. I started this morning at half past 7, and now, at half past eight (13 Hours later) i am allready at 71.56% ! 2.94 GB, from 4.11.

For me this is the last time i ever will try torrents.. So if you will continue to distribute the the sw this way, i am going to stop testing it.

For me this torrent is the worst idea ever....

Hi, Our torrent seeder broke and as long as noone else leaves his torrent client open after having downloaded, you won't see anything. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

M9.

20:15

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Stephan Kulow schreef: | Am Donnerstag 06 November 2008 schrieb M9.: |> Hi, |> |> I am trying to dl the 11.1B4, to see if the dvd contains the |> wireless-network drivers. |> I started this morning at half past 7, and now, at half past eight (13 |> Hours later) i am allready at 71.56% ! 2.94 GB, from 4.11. |> |> For me this is the last time i ever will try torrents.. |> So if you will continue to distribute the the sw this way, i am going to |> stop testing it. |> |> For me this torrent is the worst idea ever.... |> | | Hi, | | Our torrent seeder broke and as long as noone else leaves his torrent client | open after having downloaded, you won't see anything. | | Greetings, Stephan Oh, that's what it is... I have had my client open until now, but only loaded up 588.3 MB. If only the available speed was used... I do not now how to speed that up.. ;( For some seconds i had speeds around 255.K/s, but i can take about 380, so 1.3, or 0.5, is realy not much.. | - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. ~ Besturingssysteem: Linux 2.6.22.17-0.1-default x86_64 ~ Current user: monkey9@AMD64x2-sfn1 ~ System: openSUSE 10.3 (x86_64) ~ KDE: 4.0.1 (KDE 4.0.1) "release 9.1" ~ OS: Linux 2.6.22.17-0.1-default x86_64 ~ Huidige gebruiker: monkey9@AMD64x2-sfn1 ~ Systeem: openSUSE 10.3 (x86_64) ~ KDE: 3.5.7 "release 72.6" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJE1B+X5/X5X6LpDgRAkq5AJ0aZEvSy27v7BX5cINAqLR83ekA1wCgwSaq gMl4bAFy0zUwbX7pd9gwg28= =a21J -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Larry Stotler

20:29

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Our torrent seeder broke and as long as noone else leaves his torrent client open after having downloaded, you won't see anything.

And that's the other problem. Too many people don't seed after they have downloaded. Trying to download an old torrent is always a joke because it's gone. At least with an ftp mirror, the files are always available. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

M9.

20:16

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Larry Stotler schreef: | On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Stephan Kulow wrote: |> Our torrent seeder broke and as long as noone else leaves his torrent client |> open after having downloaded, you won't see anything. | | And that's the other problem. Too many people don't seed after they | have downloaded. Trying to download an old torrent is always a joke | because it's gone. At least with an ftp mirror, the files are always | available. ftp is simply the best.. - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. ~ Besturingssysteem: Linux 2.6.22.17-0.1-default x86_64 ~ Current user: monkey9@AMD64x2-sfn1 ~ System: openSUSE 10.3 (x86_64) ~ KDE: 4.0.1 (KDE 4.0.1) "release 9.1" ~ OS: Linux 2.6.22.17-0.1-default x86_64 ~ Huidige gebruiker: monkey9@AMD64x2-sfn1 ~ Systeem: openSUSE 10.3 (x86_64) ~ KDE: 3.5.7 "release 72.6" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJE1C5X5/X5X6LpDgRApPbAKDPT7KkfXEJGnCnhm1YOuniFQ5p3wCfcLEj Ga7vSwbSz/wrJ+XM0jE63nY= =o/PF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Larry Stotler

21:20

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 3:16 PM, M9. wrote:

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ftp is simply the best..

Client side. Server side it isn't because of bandwidth. Oh well. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Eberhard Moenkeberg

21:42

Hi, On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, Larry Stotler wrote:

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On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 3:16 PM, M9. wrote:

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ftp is simply the best..

Client side. Server side it isn't because of bandwidth. Oh well.

Half of ftp5's bandwidth is unused these days. Critical are almost ever only about the next 24 hours after a "release moment". At those moments, torrent works good. After that time, the rsync/http/ftp servers are hungry for you. Viele Grüße Eberhard Mönkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org) -- Eberhard Mönkeberg Arbeitsgruppe IT-Infrastruktur E-Mail: emoenke@gwdg.de Tel.: +49 (0)551 201-1551 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gesellschaft für wissenschaftliche Datenverarbeitung mbH Göttingen (GWDG) Am Fassberg 11, 37077 Göttingen URL: http://www.gwdg.de E-Mail: gwdg@gwdg.de Tel.: +49 (0)551 201-1510 Fax: +49 (0)551 201-2150 Geschäftsführer: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Neumair Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Prof. Dr. Christian Griesinger Sitz der Gesellschaft: Göttingen Registergericht: Göttingen Handelsregister-Nr. B 598 -------------------------------------------------------------------------

M9.

20:55

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Eberhard Moenkeberg schreef: | Hi, | | On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, Larry Stotler wrote: |> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 3:16 PM, M9. wrote: | |>> ftp is simply the best.. |> Client side. Server side it isn't because of bandwidth. Oh well. | | Half of ftp5's bandwidth is unused these days. | Critical are almost ever only about the next 24 hours after a "release | moment". | At those moments, torrent works good. After that time, the rsync/http/ftp | servers are hungry for you. | | Viele Grüße | Eberhard Mönkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org) | I tried to find the actual tmp-file from the torrent, to rsync it, but i could not find it. I found the torrent dir, but not the file to rename.. ~/.kde4/share/apps/ktorrent/tor0/ but the actual file is not visible...?! to me.. The speed has gone up a bit, it is frequently above 200 now.. ;) - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. ~ Besturingssysteem: Linux 2.6.22.17-0.1-default x86_64 ~ Current user: monkey9@AMD64x2-sfn1 ~ System: openSUSE 10.3 (x86_64) ~ KDE: 4.0.1 (KDE 4.0.1) "release 9.1" ~ OS: Linux 2.6.22.17-0.1-default x86_64 ~ Huidige gebruiker: monkey9@AMD64x2-sfn1 ~ Systeem: openSUSE 10.3 (x86_64) ~ KDE: 3.5.7 "release 72.6" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJE1m6X5/X5X6LpDgRAim4AJ4tzuRLaoxehBMyBlTefbVCX2ojTgCggxZX +wfMeCRQWiM1i7GSERroF6c= =0vOR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Eberhard Moenkeberg

21:56

Hi, On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, M9. wrote:

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Eberhard Moenkeberg schreef: | On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, Larry Stotler wrote: | > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 3:16 PM, M9. wrote:

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| > > ftp is simply the best.. | > Client side. Server side it isn't because of bandwidth. Oh well. | | Half of ftp5's bandwidth is unused these days. | Critical are almost ever only about the next 24 hours after a "release | moment". | At those moments, torrent works good. After that time, the rsync/http/ftp | servers are hungry for you.

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I tried to find the actual tmp-file from the torrent, to rsync it, but i could not find it. I found the torrent dir, but not the file to rename.. ~/.kde4/share/apps/ktorrent/tor0/ but the actual file is not visible...?! to me..

The speed has gone up a bit, it is frequently above 200 now.. ;)

lsof shows which processes/users have which files open. Viele Grüße Eberhard Mönkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org) -- Eberhard Mönkeberg Arbeitsgruppe IT-Infrastruktur E-Mail: emoenke@gwdg.de Tel.: +49 (0)551 201-1551 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gesellschaft für wissenschaftliche Datenverarbeitung mbH Göttingen (GWDG) Am Fassberg 11, 37077 Göttingen URL: http://www.gwdg.de E-Mail: gwdg@gwdg.de Tel.: +49 (0)551 201-1510 Fax: +49 (0)551 201-2150 Geschäftsführer: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Neumair Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Prof. Dr. Christian Griesinger Sitz der Gesellschaft: Göttingen Registergericht: Göttingen Handelsregister-Nr. B 598 -------------------------------------------------------------------------

M9.

21:30

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Eberhard Moenkeberg schreef: | Hi, | | | lsof shows which processes/users have which files open. | | | Viele Grüße | Eberhard Mönkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org) | Too much info, and the info i am looking for scrolls down real fast, and is gone when i am searching for it... How to let it go slowly? - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. ~ Besturingssysteem: Linux 2.6.22.17-0.1-default x86_64 ~ Current user: monkey9@AMD64x2-sfn1 ~ System: openSUSE 10.3 (x86_64) ~ KDE: 4.0.1 (KDE 4.0.1) "release 9.1" ~ OS: Linux 2.6.22.17-0.1-default x86_64 ~ Huidige gebruiker: monkey9@AMD64x2-sfn1 ~ Systeem: openSUSE 10.3 (x86_64) ~ KDE: 3.5.7 "release 72.6" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJE2HaX5/X5X6LpDgRAjS4AJ47H1yxJLu8NB5NjzcbiK82rAJ4lwCffxji 5hkyHWcHiLa4IpnkKucHWGk= =9MYJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

josef reidinger

22:33

M9. napsal(a):

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Eberhard Moenkeberg schreef: | Hi, | | | lsof shows which processes/users have which files open. | | | Viele Grüße | Eberhard Mönkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org) |

Too much info, and the info i am looking for scrolls down real fast, and is gone when i am searching for it... How to let it go slowly?

use pipe (|) and grep for filter or less for view...or redirect to file and then look at it. so: lsof arg | grep `pid your_torent_client` lsof arg | less lsof arg > output.txt -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

M9.

22:20

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 josef reidinger schreef: | M9. napsal(a): |> |> Eberhard Moenkeberg schreef: |> | Hi, |> | |> | |> | lsof shows which processes/users have which files open. |> | |> | |> | Viele Grüße |> | Eberhard Mönkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org) |> | |> |> Too much info, and the info i am looking for scrolls down real fast, and |> is gone when i am searching for it... |> How to let it go slowly? |> | | use pipe (|) and grep for filter or less for view...or redirect to file | and then look at it. | so: | lsof arg | grep `pid your_torent_client` | lsof arg | less | lsof arg > output.txt this is good info, thnx.. ;) - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. ~ Besturingssysteem: Linux 2.6.22.17-0.1-default x86_64 ~ Current user: monkey9@AMD64x2-sfn1 ~ System: openSUSE 10.3 (x86_64) ~ KDE: 4.0.1 (KDE 4.0.1) "release 9.1" ~ OS: Linux 2.6.22.17-0.1-default x86_64 ~ Huidige gebruiker: monkey9@AMD64x2-sfn1 ~ Systeem: openSUSE 10.3 (x86_64) ~ KDE: 3.5.7 "release 72.6" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJE23BX5/X5X6LpDgRAkDNAJ9jnGN7gSAHnJ0z8KeKYxOpmC3mzwCg34u2 0C/u35GfuRkxeg2bZjQp9H0= =l0u1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Randall R Schulz

23:14

On Thursday 06 November 2008 14:33, josef reidinger wrote:

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M9. napsal(a):

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Eberhard Moenkeberg schreef: | Hi, | | lsof shows which processes/users have which files open. | |...

Too much info, and the info i am looking for scrolls down real fast, and is gone when i am searching for it... How to let it go slowly?

use pipe (|) and grep for filter or less for view...or redirect to file and then look at it. so:

lsof arg | grep `pid your_torent_client`

The "lsof" command can filter by process ID(s) itself, both inclusively and exclusively. See the man page and look for information on the -p option.

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lsof arg | less lsof arg > output.txt

Randall Schulz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Eberhard Moenkeberg

22:34

Hi, On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, M9. wrote:

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Eberhard Moenkeberg schreef:

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| lsof shows which processes/users have which files open.

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Too much info, and the info i am looking for scrolls down real fast, and is gone when i am searching for it... How to let it go slowly?

| less or ><filename> and then inspect <filename>. Viele Grüße Eberhard Mönkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org) -- Eberhard Mönkeberg Arbeitsgruppe IT-Infrastruktur E-Mail: emoenke@gwdg.de Tel.: +49 (0)551 201-1551 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gesellschaft für wissenschaftliche Datenverarbeitung mbH Göttingen (GWDG) Am Fassberg 11, 37077 Göttingen URL: http://www.gwdg.de E-Mail: gwdg@gwdg.de Tel.: +49 (0)551 201-1510 Fax: +49 (0)551 201-2150 Geschäftsführer: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Neumair Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Prof. Dr. Christian Griesinger Sitz der Gesellschaft: Göttingen Registergericht: Göttingen Handelsregister-Nr. B 598 -------------------------------------------------------------------------

M9.

22:03

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Eberhard Moenkeberg schreef: | Hi, | | On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, M9. wrote: |> Eberhard Moenkeberg schreef: | |> | lsof shows which processes/users have which files open. | |> Too much info, and the info i am looking for scrolls down real fast, and |> is gone when i am searching for it... |> How to let it go slowly? | | | less | | or ><filename> and then inspect <filename>. | i do not know the name i have to search on, but i see connections, and they don't stick... Anyway, thanx to some nice seeders, i am at 99.73 now..oh it is ready..:))) I will leave open this night. | | Viele Grüße | Eberhard Mönkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org) | - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. ~ Besturingssysteem: Linux 2.6.22.17-0.1-default x86_64 ~ Current user: monkey9@AMD64x2-sfn1 ~ System: openSUSE 10.3 (x86_64) ~ KDE: 4.0.1 (KDE 4.0.1) "release 9.1" ~ OS: Linux 2.6.22.17-0.1-default x86_64 ~ Huidige gebruiker: monkey9@AMD64x2-sfn1 ~ Systeem: openSUSE 10.3 (x86_64) ~ KDE: 3.5.7 "release 72.6" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJE2nCX5/X5X6LpDgRAicuAJ0cmDIU5inJwwFgT20Fs4uRyiCpRACfVKij MRNwwSTeeSX73ijC5V50kgQ= =5qye -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Evan McClain

22:05

On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 09:55:22PM +0100, M9. wrote:

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The speed has gone up a bit, it is frequently above 200 now.. ;)

I know I started seeding again after your first email and I'm sure others have as well. I generally only seed to a ratio of 10, but since my university doesn't cap my bandwidth (unless I'm illegally sharing copyrighted material) I might as well just leave the torrents seeding. Enjoy :) -- Evan McClain /* No Comment */ evan.mcclain@gatech.edu

M9.

21:19

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Evan McClain schreef: | On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 09:55:22PM +0100, M9. wrote: |> The speed has gone up a bit, it is frequently above 200 now.. |> ;) | | I know I started seeding again after your first email and I'm | sure others have as well. I generally only seed to a ratio of 10, | but since my university doesn't cap my bandwidth (unless I'm | illegally sharing copyrighted material) I might as well just | leave the torrents seeding. | | Enjoy :) | Thank you very much indeed! Now i might see the end of the dl this night...pfff... i am at 3.69GB atm... - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. ~ Besturingssysteem: Linux 2.6.22.17-0.1-default x86_64 ~ Current user: monkey9@AMD64x2-sfn1 ~ System: openSUSE 10.3 (x86_64) ~ KDE: 4.0.1 (KDE 4.0.1) "release 9.1" ~ OS: Linux 2.6.22.17-0.1-default x86_64 ~ Huidige gebruiker: monkey9@AMD64x2-sfn1 ~ Systeem: openSUSE 10.3 (x86_64) ~ KDE: 3.5.7 "release 72.6" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJE19nX5/X5X6LpDgRArecAJwJcAShp9qSDjRT7s2nly9sF3eS1wCgtZcM H7NDr94XB7jQKxwJZ9/sC3M= =1hXb -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Eberhard Moenkeberg

20:39

Hi, On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Am Donnerstag 06 November 2008 schrieb M9.:

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I am trying to dl the 11.1B4, to see if the dvd contains the wireless-network drivers. I started this morning at half past 7, and now, at half past eight (13 Hours later) i am allready at 71.56% ! 2.94 GB, from 4.11.

For me this is the last time i ever will try torrents.. So if you will continue to distribute the the sw this way, i am going to stop testing it.

For me this torrent is the worst idea ever....

Hi,

Our torrent seeder broke and as long as noone else leaves his torrent client open after having downloaded, you won't see anything.

http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/distribution/11.1-Beta4/iso/dvd/ Viele Grüße Eberhard Mönkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org) -- Eberhard Mönkeberg Arbeitsgruppe IT-Infrastruktur E-Mail: emoenke@gwdg.de Tel.: +49 (0)551 201-1551 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gesellschaft für wissenschaftliche Datenverarbeitung mbH Göttingen (GWDG) Am Fassberg 11, 37077 Göttingen URL: http://www.gwdg.de E-Mail: gwdg@gwdg.de Tel.: +49 (0)551 201-1510 Fax: +49 (0)551 201-2150 Geschäftsführer: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Neumair Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Prof. Dr. Christian Griesinger Sitz der Gesellschaft: Göttingen Registergericht: Göttingen Handelsregister-Nr. B 598 -------------------------------------------------------------------------

Eberhard Moenkeberg

20:44

Hi, On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:

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On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Am Donnerstag 06 November 2008 schrieb M9.:

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I am trying to dl the 11.1B4, to see if the dvd contains the wireless-network drivers. I started this morning at half past 7, and now, at half past eight (13 Hours later) i am allready at 71.56% ! 2.94 GB, from 4.11.

For me this is the last time i ever will try torrents.. So if you will continue to distribute the the sw this way, i am going to stop testing it.

For me this torrent is the worst idea ever....

Hi,

Our torrent seeder broke and as long as noone else leaves his torrent client open after having downloaded, you won't see anything.

http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/distribution/11.1-Beta4/iso/dvd/

... and if you manage it to use rsync rsync://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/distribution/11.1-Beta4/iso/dvd/<filename> where <filename> is one of openSUSE-11.1-Beta4-DVD-i586.iso openSUSE-11.1-Beta4-DVD-x86_64.iso and if you put your torrent fragment under the same name into your target dir, you will fetch nothing again what you already have. Viele Grüße Eberhard Mönkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org) -- Eberhard Mönkeberg Arbeitsgruppe IT-Infrastruktur E-Mail: emoenke@gwdg.de Tel.: +49 (0)551 201-1551 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gesellschaft für wissenschaftliche Datenverarbeitung mbH Göttingen (GWDG) Am Fassberg 11, 37077 Göttingen URL: http://www.gwdg.de E-Mail: gwdg@gwdg.de Tel.: +49 (0)551 201-1510 Fax: +49 (0)551 201-2150 Geschäftsführer: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Neumair Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Prof. Dr. Christian Griesinger Sitz der Gesellschaft: Göttingen Registergericht: Göttingen Handelsregister-Nr. B 598 -------------------------------------------------------------------------

M9.

20:11

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Eberhard Moenkeberg schreef: | Hi, | | On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote: |> On Thu, 6 Nov 2008, Stephan Kulow wrote: |>> Am Donnerstag 06 November 2008 schrieb M9.: | |>>> I am trying to dl the 11.1B4, to see if the dvd contains the |>>> wireless-network drivers. |>>> I started this morning at half past 7, and now, at half past eight (13 |>>> Hours later) i am allready at 71.56% ! 2.94 GB, from 4.11. |>>> |>>> For me this is the last time i ever will try torrents.. |>>> So if you will continue to distribute the the sw this way, i am going to |>>> stop testing it. |>>> |>>> For me this torrent is the worst idea ever.... |>>> |>> Hi, |>> |>> Our torrent seeder broke and as long as noone else leaves his torrent client |>> open after having downloaded, you won't see anything. |> http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/distribution/11.1-Beta4/iso/dvd/ | | ... and if you manage it to use rsync | | rsync://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/distribution/11.1-Beta4/iso/dvd/<filename> | | where <filename> is one of | | openSUSE-11.1-Beta4-DVD-i586.iso | openSUSE-11.1-Beta4-DVD-x86_64.iso | | and if you put your torrent fragment under the same name into your target | dir, you will fetch nothing again what you already have. This is a lovely hint, thnx! | | | Viele Grüße | Eberhard Mönkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org) | - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. ~ Besturingssysteem: Linux 2.6.22.17-0.1-default x86_64 ~ Current user: monkey9@AMD64x2-sfn1 ~ System: openSUSE 10.3 (x86_64) ~ KDE: 4.0.1 (KDE 4.0.1) "release 9.1" ~ OS: Linux 2.6.22.17-0.1-default x86_64 ~ Huidige gebruiker: monkey9@AMD64x2-sfn1 ~ Systeem: openSUSE 10.3 (x86_64) ~ KDE: 3.5.7 "release 72.6" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJE09aX5/X5X6LpDgRAthGAKCCy1veaTkkK7Dz8bIJlAxg8N6r8wCgtlwB GxVZEN33DSwj3B11+JBckGU= =xioL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

22:09

* Stephan Kulow [11-06-08 15:27]:

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Am Donnerstag 06 November 2008 schrieb M9.:

Our torrent seeder broke and as long as noone else leaves his torrent client open after having downloaded, you won't see anything.

I have had both x86_64 torrents (kde/gnome) open for three days mostly at 100k up (on a 200k line) and have only uploaded 878mb for gnome and 761mb for kde. At present there is *no* peers. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

22:12

* Patrick Shanahan [11-06-08 17:09]:

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* Stephan Kulow [11-06-08 15:27]:

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Am Donnerstag 06 November 2008 schrieb M9.:

Our torrent seeder broke and as long as noone else leaves his torrent client open after having downloaded, you won't see anything.

I have had both x86_64 torrents (kde/gnome) open for three days mostly at 100k up (on a 200k line) and have only uploaded 878mb for gnome and 761mb for kde. At present there is *no* peers.

I didn't say, but this is the LIVE cd iso's -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Evan McClain

22:37

On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 05:12:47PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Patrick Shanahan [11-06-08 17:09]:

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* Stephan Kulow [11-06-08 15:27]: I have had both x86_64 torrents (kde/gnome) open for three days mostly at 100k up (on a 200k line) and have only uploaded 878mb for gnome and 761mb for kde. At present there is *no* peers.

I didn't say, but this is the LIVE cd iso's

The CDs don't have any peers, but the DVDs currently do. I've uploaded ~2gb since I started rtorrent this afternoon. -- Evan McClain /* No Comment */ evan.mcclain@gatech.edu

M9.

21:58

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Evan McClain schreef: | On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 05:12:47PM -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote: |> * Patrick Shanahan [11-06-08 17:09]: |>> * Stephan Kulow [11-06-08 15:27]: |>> I have had both x86_64 torrents (kde/gnome) open for three |>> days mostly |>> at 100k up (on a 200k line) and have only uploaded 878mb for gnome and |>> 761mb for kde. At present there is *no* peers. |>> |> I didn't say, but this is the LIVE cd iso's | | The CDs don't have any peers, but the DVDs currently do. I've | uploaded ~2gb since I started rtorrent this afternoon. | IP 212.85.88.175 and 128.46.5.250 realy make it worthwile, helas the latter stoppped.. - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. ~ Besturingssysteem: Linux 2.6.22.17-0.1-default x86_64 ~ Current user: monkey9@AMD64x2-sfn1 ~ System: openSUSE 10.3 (x86_64) ~ KDE: 4.0.1 (KDE 4.0.1) "release 9.1" ~ OS: Linux 2.6.22.17-0.1-default x86_64 ~ Huidige gebruiker: monkey9@AMD64x2-sfn1 ~ Systeem: openSUSE 10.3 (x86_64) ~ KDE: 3.5.7 "release 72.6" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJE2h2X5/X5X6LpDgRAmP7AJsEHqAlaIHbPugki84VV3eLnXOEeACg4Dw8 C9ZLpnb3ke7I0uNGvCAPieI= =5R9f -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

23:21

* Evan McClain [11-06-08 17:39]:

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The CDs don't have any peers, but the DVDs currently do. I've uploaded ~2gb since I started rtorrent this afternoon.

Sorry, but not quite. w/o peers there would be *no* upload figures. When upload is active there is/are peer[s]. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Richard (MQ)

7 Nov 7 Nov

08:35

Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Stephan Kulow [11-06-08 15:27]:

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Am Donnerstag 06 November 2008 schrieb M9.:

Our torrent seeder broke and as long as noone else leaves his torrent client open after having downloaded, you won't see anything.

I have had both x86_64 torrents (kde/gnome) open for three days mostly at 100k up (on a 200k line) and have only uploaded 878mb for gnome and 761mb for kde. At present there is *no* peers.

I usually leave mine (ktorrent on an old 10.2 box) running, seeding the latest and one previous. I have to delete the oldest stuff before grabbing the very newest set due to lack of disc space on that box :-( It is noticeable that by a week or so following the releases (for alpha / beta, longer for GM) the upload rates tail off quiet sharply... I've frequently downloaded one or more of the ISOs more quikly by FTP (and will now try rsync too, thanks Eberhard) and transferred that file over the torrent one to feed it back up. (NB - to do this, stop the torrent client completely, copy the file, restart ktorrent and run teh integrity check. This will usually agree that the file is good and automatically switch it to "finished downloading" state). -- Cheers Richard (MQ) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Peter Poeml

15:15

Hi, On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 09:25:38PM +0100, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Am Donnerstag 06 November 2008 schrieb M9.:

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Hi,

I am trying to dl the 11.1B4, to see if the dvd contains the wireless-network drivers. I started this morning at half past 7, and now, at half past eight (13 Hours later) i am allready at 71.56% ! 2.94 GB, from 4.11.

For me this is the last time i ever will try torrents.. So if you will continue to distribute the the sw this way, i am going to stop testing it.

For me this torrent is the worst idea ever....

Hi,

Our torrent seeder broke and as long as noone else leaves his torrent client open after having downloaded, you won't see anything.

JFYI, the torrent seeder was restored yesterday. Should be working. Peter -- Contact: admin@opensuse.org (a.k.a. ftpadmin@suse.com) #opensuse-mirrors on freenode.net Info: http://en.opensuse.org/Mirror_Infrastructure SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Research & Development

Larry Stotler

6 Nov 6 Nov

20:26

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 1:43 PM, M9. wrote:

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I am trying to dl the 11.1B4, to see if the dvd contains the wireless-network drivers. I started this morning at half past 7, and now, at half past eight (13 Hours later) i am allready at 71.56% ! 2.94 GB, from 4.11.

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For me this is the last time i ever will try torrents.. So if you will continue to distribute the the sw this way, i am going to stop testing it.

For me this torrent is the worst idea ever....

Here's a link to a direct ftp site: http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/linux/suse/opensuse/distribution/11.1-Beta4/iso/dvd/ I have never had much luck with bittorent either. I've always been able to download faster with ftp. However, bittorent is supposed to help pull the load off the server. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Andrew Joakimsen

7 Nov 7 Nov

02:25

On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 1:43 PM, M9. wrote:

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Hi,

I am trying to dl the 11.1B4, to see if the dvd contains the wireless-network drivers. I started this morning at half past 7, and now, at half past eight (13 Hours later) i am allready at 71.56% ! 2.94 GB, from 4.11.

For me this is the last time i ever will try torrents.. So if you will continue to distribute the the sw this way, i am going to stop testing it.

What BitTorrent client do you use? I noticed in openSUSE 10.3 Ktorrent works fine. In 11.0 even when you use KDE 3.5 it installs the "KDE4" version of Ktorrent. I have found that the "KDE4" version uses 100% CPU, has a very sluggish interface and the downloads are not as fast as the previous version. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Oddball

09:01

Andrew Joakimsen schreef:

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On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 1:43 PM, M9. wrote:

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1

Hi,

I am trying to dl the 11.1B4, to see if the dvd contains the wireless-network drivers. I started this morning at half past 7, and now, at half past eight (13 Hours later) i am allready at 71.56% ! 2.94 GB, from 4.11.

For me this is the last time i ever will try torrents.. So if you will continue to distribute the the sw this way, i am going to stop testing it.

What BitTorrent client do you use? I noticed in openSUSE 10.3 Ktorrent works fine. In 11.0 even when you use KDE 3.5 it installs the "KDE4" version of Ktorrent. I have found that the "KDE4" version uses 100% CPU, has a very sluggish interface and the downloads are not as fast as the previous version.

It is the kde4 version in 10.3. which was obviously default installed, as it came up.. My home in 11.1* is only 5GB, and cannot contain the dvd iso. Save it directly to my /home10.3 did not work as user.. Sav it to my /tmp, which is also 5GB, did also not work as user.. I never was a torrent-guy, and after yesterdays experience, i probably never will... ftp is fast nowadays, and i like to use my full bandwith, to save time.. ;) -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.27.4-2-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.1 Beta 4 (x86_64) KDE: 4.1.2 (KDE 4.1.2) "release 2.6" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Peter Poeml

15:48

New subject: Better downloading (was: Re: [opensuse-factory] Rediculous bittorrent speed/slowness...)

Hi, On Thu, Nov 06, 2008 at 07:43:39PM +0100, M9. wrote:

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Hi,

I am trying to dl the 11.1B4, to see if the dvd contains the wireless-network drivers. I started this morning at half past 7, and now, at half past eight (13 Hours later) i am allready at 71.56% ! 2.94 GB, from 4.11.

For me this is the last time i ever will try torrents.. So if you will continue to distribute the the sw this way, i am going to stop testing it.

For me this torrent is the worst idea ever....

In the future, we plan a change in this regard. We will make the DVDs available more easily. They'll be visible on download.opensuse.org via HTTP, and the download server will know the mirrors that have the DVDs and redirect to them. Thus, the images will be much easier to find. Moreover, then you can use a metalink client which can *combine* BitTorrent download with HTTP/FTP download from mirrors. Thus, you'll have one method of downloading that always works, and gives best of both worlds. It'll work even when nobody is seeding, and you won't need to switch download client and method of downloading. All this works already for the other images - the planned change is that we'll make the Alpha/Beta DVDs available in the same way. What do you need to do / to know? I recommend to use aria2c, which is the most powerful metalink client. http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=aria2 It is a Factory package. The command that you run to download an image is as simple as: aria2c http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.1-Beta4/iso/openSUSE-11.1-Beta4... aria2c will automatically use P2P and/or multiple mirrors, whatever is available, and make sure that the download arrives 100% correctly. It verifies the download via provided checksums and can automatically start seeding the verified bits. If you wonder how that works: The magic behind it is that aria2c will download an XML description which looks like this: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.1-Beta4/iso/openSUSE-11.1-Beta4... If you look inside, you'll see a bittorrent link, checksums, all mirrors, segmented hashes, and even a PGP signature. aria2c is very robust against all sorts of failures. Peter -- Contact: admin@opensuse.org (a.k.a. ftpadmin@suse.com) #opensuse-mirrors on freenode.net Info: http://en.opensuse.org/Mirror_Infrastructure SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Research & Development

Larry Stotler

16:20

New subject: Better downloading (was: Re: [opensuse-factory] Rediculous bittorrent speed/slowness...)

On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Peter Poeml wrote:

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I recommend to use aria2c, which is the most powerful metalink client. http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=aria2 It is a Factory package.

Pulling the x64 dvd right now with it. Getting a consitent 300k with it. Seems to be a good idea. I've had some issues recently with downloading with Firefox and even rsync cut out on me earlier today. If this delivers, I'll buy it! Thanx -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Oddball

16:44

New subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: Better downloading

Larry Stotler schreef:

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On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Peter Poeml wrote:

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I recommend to use aria2c, which is the most powerful metalink client. http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=aria2 It is a Factory package.

Pulling the x64 dvd right now with it. Getting a consitent 300k with it. Seems to be a good idea. I've had some issues recently with downloading with Firefox and even rsync cut out on me earlier today. If this delivers, I'll buy it!

Thanx

Buy it? ;) -- Have a nice day;) Oddball, (M9.) OS: Linux 2.6.27.4-2-pae i686 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@ARM500-sfn6 Systeem: openSUSE 11.1 Beta 4 (i586) KDE: 4.1.2 (KDE 4.1.2) "release 2.5" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Vahis

16:52

New subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: Better downloading

Larry Stotler wrote:

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On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Peter Poeml wrote:

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I recommend to use aria2c, which is the most powerful metalink client. http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=aria2 It is a Factory package.

Pulling the x64 dvd right now with it. Getting a consitent 300k with it. Seems to be a good idea. I've had some issues recently with downloading with Firefox and even rsync cut out on me earlier today. If this delivers, I'll buy it!

Thanx

Aria2c is good, no doubt about it. But I just tried with ktorrent, the 64 bit DVD downloaded in 1 h 40 min. Constant speed of almost 800 k all the time. I'm seeding now. -- Vahis http://waxborg.servepics.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Larry Stotler

16:58

New subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: Better downloading

On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Vahis wrote:

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Aria2c is good, no doubt about it.

But I just tried with ktorrent, the 64 bit DVD downloaded in 1 h 40 min. Constant speed of almost 800 k all the time.

I'm connection limited on a shared 2Mb fiber pipe here at work, so while I CAN get faster speeds, depending on usage, I generally only get 300-400k.

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I'm seeding now.

And that's the only way that bittorrent is useful. Age of the torrents and popularity is what causes them to die. I don't know how many times I've tried to torrent and there were no seeders. Oh well. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Vahis

17:28

New subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: Better downloading

Larry Stotler wrote:

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On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Vahis wrote:

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Aria2c is good, no doubt about it.

But I just tried with ktorrent, the 64 bit DVD downloaded in 1 h 40 min. Constant speed of almost 800 k all the time.

I'm connection limited on a shared 2Mb fiber pipe here at work, so while I CAN get faster speeds, depending on usage, I generally only get 300-400k.

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I'm seeding now.

And that's the only way that bittorrent is useful. Age of the torrents and popularity is what causes them to die. I don't know how many times I've tried to torrent and there were no seeders. Oh well.

The problem here is the ISP. They all give you easily and quite cheap downstream speed. I have 24 Mbs down. But upstream is a bitch. I have 1 lousy meg upsteam. That's all they give you. Not more, not even with money. Or then yes, with _real_ money, but that's a _whole_ different story. -- Vahis http://waxborg.servepics.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Peter Poeml

18:11

New subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: Better downloading

On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 07:28:09PM +0200, Vahis wrote:

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The problem here is the ISP. They all give you easily and quite cheap downstream speed.

I have 24 Mbs down.

But upstream is a bitch. I have 1 lousy meg upsteam. That's all they give you.

This is one of the issues of Bittorrent downloads - there are quite some ISPs blocking P2P traffic. As a study recently revealed, P2P blocking is much more prevalent than most of us would have thought. Especially in the US (50% of ISPs!) and in Singapore. It nearly only affects uploads. Contrary to what ISPs typically claim, it happens at all hours of the day, not only during congestion times. Reference: Detecting BitTorrent Blocking, Marcel Dischinger at al., Internet Measurement Conference 2008 This has raised an intensive debate about network neutrality and ISP traffic management practices. The good news is that P2P blocking is decreasing since the results of the study were published. This is one of the reasons why it makes sense to combine P2P download with HTTP/FTP mirror downloads, which is exactly what aria2c is doing, in conjunction with MirrorBrain, our redirector and metalink generator. Peter -- Contact: admin@opensuse.org (a.k.a. ftpadmin@suse.com) #opensuse-mirrors on freenode.net Info: http://en.opensuse.org/Mirror_Infrastructure SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Research & Development

Vahis

18:16

New subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: Better downloading

Peter Poeml wrote:

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On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 07:28:09PM +0200, Vahis wrote:

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The problem here is the ISP. They all give you easily and quite cheap downstream speed.

I have 24 Mbs down.

But upstream is a bitch. I have 1 lousy meg upsteam. That's all they give you.

This is one of the issues of Bittorrent downloads - there are quite some ISPs blocking P2P traffic.

This here is not about them blocking it. They don't block it. It's just that they give you 1 meg up. Period. <snip>

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This is one of the reasons why it makes sense to combine P2P download with HTTP/FTP mirror downloads, which is exactly what aria2c is doing, in conjunction with MirrorBrain, our redirector and metalink generator.

Peter

What port(s) does it need open to do everything it can? -- Vahis http://waxborg.servepics.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Peter Poeml

18:48

New subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: Better downloading

On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 08:16:42PM +0200, Vahis wrote:

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Peter Poeml wrote:

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On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 07:28:09PM +0200, Vahis wrote:

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The problem here is the ISP. They all give you easily and quite cheap downstream speed.

I have 24 Mbs down.

But upstream is a bitch. I have 1 lousy meg upsteam. That's all they give you.

This is one of the issues of Bittorrent downloads - there are quite some ISPs blocking P2P traffic.

This here is not about them blocking it. They don't block it. It's just that they give you 1 meg up. Period.

True, this might not affect you - I just found it worth being mentioned in this context.

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<snip>

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This is one of the reasons why it makes sense to combine P2P download with HTTP/FTP mirror downloads, which is exactly what aria2c is doing, in conjunction with MirrorBrain, our redirector and metalink generator.

Peter

What port(s) does it need open to do everything it can?

aria2c uses the port range 6881-6999 by default, acc. to the man page: --listen-port=PORT... Set TCP port number for BitTorrent downloads. Multiple ports can be specified by using ",", for example: 6881,6885. You can also use "-" to specify a range: 6881-6999. "," and "-" can be used together: 6881-6889,6999. Default: 6881-6999 Note Make sure that the specified ports are open for incoming TCP traffic. Peter -- Contact: admin@opensuse.org (a.k.a. ftpadmin@suse.com) #opensuse-mirrors on freenode.net Info: http://en.opensuse.org/Mirror_Infrastructure SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Research & Development

manchette

19:04

New subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: Better downloading

hello, how do we choose between MirrorBrain and aria2c ? Which one is better ? Thanks ;-)

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This is one of the reasons why it makes sense to combine P2P download with HTTP/FTP mirror downloads, which is exactly what aria2c is doing, in conjunction with MirrorBrain, our redirector and metalink generator.

Peter

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Peter Poeml

19:50

New subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: Better downloading

On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 08:04:09PM +0100, manchette wrote:

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hello, how do we choose between MirrorBrain and aria2c ? Which one is better ? Thanks ;-)

Sorry, I seem to have introduced some confusion here. MirrorBrain is the name I gave the infrastructure that openSUSE uses. It runs at the server side (download.opensuse.org). It consists of a mirror database, mirror monitoring framework, a redirecting webserver and metalink generator. Plus a human admin. http://mirrorbrain.org/ has more info about the project. aria2c is one of the clients that can be used to download stuff from the server. Both aria2c and MirrorBrain have some special capabilities. The server does sort of a knowledge transfer to the client, and the client can work autonomously from there. Transparent negotiation makes this invisible to the user and avoids the need for special links crafted for the special client. So the two are working together. I'd venture to claim that they are "both better" ;) Peter -- Contact: admin@opensuse.org (a.k.a. ftpadmin@suse.com) #opensuse-mirrors on freenode.net Info: http://en.opensuse.org/Mirror_Infrastructure SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Research & Development

Larry Stotler

17:36

New subject: Better downloading (was: Re: [opensuse-factory] Rediculous bittorrent speed/slowness...)

Download failed at 38% - Lost connection to server. Was able to restart ok. Not sure where the issue lies. I'll have to try a different server at some point. How do you add bittorrent to the download? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Peter Poeml

18:21

New subject: Better downloading (was: Re: [opensuse-factory] Rediculous bittorrent speed/slowness...)

On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 12:36:36PM -0500, Larry Stotler wrote:

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Download failed at 38% - Lost connection to server. Was able to restart ok. Not sure where the issue lies. I'll have to try a different server at some point.

Which URL were you downloading from? Directly from a mirror, or were you using the .torrent file?

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How do you add bittorrent to the download?

For the beta DVDs that we published so far, it's not easy to combine HTTP/FTP and bittorrent. But once we have the DVDs on download.opensuse.org (with the next Beta, I hope), aria2c will be able to use HTTP/FTP and bittorrent in parallel. Peter -- Contact: admin@opensuse.org (a.k.a. ftpadmin@suse.com) #opensuse-mirrors on freenode.net Info: http://en.opensuse.org/Mirror_Infrastructure SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Research & Development

Larry Stotler

18:44

New subject: Better downloading (was: Re: [opensuse-factory] Rediculous bittorrent speed/slowness...)

On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Peter Poeml wrote:

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Which URL were you downloading from? Directly from a mirror, or were you using the .torrent file?

The ftp5.gwdg.de link that you had listed actually. No torrent. Failed again at 70% due to timeout. I like the minute by minute log. Useful.

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For the beta DVDs that we published so far, it's not easy to combine HTTP/FTP and bittorrent. But once we have the DVDs on download.opensuse.org (with the next Beta, I hope), aria2c will be able to use HTTP/FTP and bittorrent in parallel.

So, we will need to have it open a torrent file instead? Or will you have a special file with both types of into in it that we can use instead? Thanx -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Peter Poeml

19:28

New subject: Better downloading (was: Re: [opensuse-factory] Rediculous bittorrent speed/slowness...)

On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 01:44:33PM -0500, Larry Stotler wrote:

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On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Peter Poeml wrote:

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Which URL were you downloading from? Directly from a mirror, or were you using the .torrent file?

The ftp5.gwdg.de link that you had listed actually. No torrent.

Failed again at 70% due to timeout.

Yes, if there is only a single download source, there is of course not much failover that the client can do. So in this case, no Bittorrent was involved.

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I like the minute by minute log. Useful.

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For the beta DVDs that we published so far, it's not easy to combine HTTP/FTP and bittorrent. But once we have the DVDs on download.opensuse.org (with the next Beta, I hope), aria2c will be able to use HTTP/FTP and bittorrent in parallel.

So, we will need to have it open a torrent file instead? Or will you have a special file with both types of into in it that we can use instead?

The latter - but you won't notice it. The client (aria2c) accesses the normal HTTP link to the iso image (http://download.opensuse.org/..../*.iso) which is just the link that you would see / click at in the web browser. The server notices that the client understands Metalinks, and returns in fact a Metalink. The Metalink contains both types of download sources, plus hashes for verification. This is transparently negotiated by client and server, and you can simulate it with curl -H "Accept: application/metalink+xml" http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.1-Beta4/iso/openSUSE-11.1-Beta4... You'll see the raw Metalink that aria2c gets. Thus, there is only one (type of) link you need to know, and it'll transparently work with all possible clients, be it a simple web browser or aria2c. And metalink clients like aria2c will make use of the full potential. Peter -- Contact: admin@opensuse.org (a.k.a. ftpadmin@suse.com) #opensuse-mirrors on freenode.net Info: http://en.opensuse.org/Mirror_Infrastructure SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Research & Development

Oddball

16:43

New subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: Better downloading

Peter Poeml schreef:

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Hi,

In the future, we plan a change in this regard. We will make the DVDs available more easily. They'll be visible on download.opensuse.org via HTTP, and the download server will know the mirrors that have the DVDs and redirect to them. Thus, the images will be much easier to find.

Moreover, then you can use a metalink client which can *combine* BitTorrent download with HTTP/FTP download from mirrors. Thus, you'll have one method of downloading that always works, and gives best of both worlds. It'll work even when nobody is seeding, and you won't need to switch download client and method of downloading.

All this works already for the other images - the planned change is that we'll make the Alpha/Beta DVDs available in the same way.

What do you need to do / to know?

I recommend to use aria2c, which is the most powerful metalink client. http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=aria2 It is a Factory package.

The command that you run to download an image is as simple as: aria2c http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.1-Beta4/iso/openSUSE-11.1-Beta4...

aria2c will automatically use P2P and/or multiple mirrors, whatever is available, and make sure that the download arrives 100% correctly. It verifies the download via provided checksums and can automatically start seeding the verified bits.

If you wonder how that works: The magic behind it is that aria2c will download an XML description which looks like this: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.1-Beta4/iso/openSUSE-11.1-Beta4... If you look inside, you'll see a bittorrent link, checksums, all mirrors, segmented hashes, and even a PGP signature.

aria2c is very robust against all sorts of failures.

Peter

Wow! This sounds not just promising, but like the future is now! I am going to get familiar with that client about now.. -- Have a nice day;) Oddball, (M9.) OS: Linux 2.6.27.4-2-pae i686 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@ARM500-sfn6 Systeem: openSUSE 11.1 Beta 4 (i586) KDE: 4.1.2 (KDE 4.1.2) "release 2.5" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Richard (MQ)

18:40

New subject: [opensuse-factory] Re: Better downloading

Peter Poeml wrote:

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I recommend to use aria2c, which is the most powerful metalink client. http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=aria2 It is a Factory package.

Really Really impressed! One click install - done in a few minutes. I'd already started a Firefox download of the latest 586 NET boot ISO - which had been trundling in at under 100 KB/s. Aborted this and started Aria2c on the same URL and it picked up the half-downloaded file, checked it and finished the job steaming in at almost 400 KB/s I won't be using anything else now... Many thanks again, from some who's rarely moved to such paeans -- Cheers Richard (MQ) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Peter Poeml

13 Nov 13 Nov

17:22

New subject: Better downloading (was: Re: [opensuse-factory] Rediculous bittorrent speed/slowness...)

Hi, On Fri, Nov 07, 2008 at 04:48:45PM +0100, Peter Poeml wrote:

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In the future, we plan a change in this regard. We will make the DVDs available more easily. They'll be visible on download.opensuse.org via HTTP, and the download server will know the mirrors that have the DVDs and redirect to them. Thus, the images will be much easier to find.

You may have seen it: Beta5 has been published :-) Including the DVDs. (And, btw, also including PPC images this time.) So now, download of the DVD images with the method described below is fully supported. Find them at http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.1-Beta5/iso/

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Moreover, then you can use a metalink client which can *combine* BitTorrent download with HTTP/FTP download from mirrors. Thus, you'll have one method of downloading that always works, and gives best of both worlds. It'll work even when nobody is seeding, and you won't need to switch download client and method of downloading.

All this works already for the other images - the planned change is that we'll make the Alpha/Beta DVDs available in the same way.

What do you need to do / to know?

I recommend to use aria2c, which is the most powerful metalink client. http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=aria2 It is a Factory package.

The command that you run to download an image is as simple as: aria2c http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.1-Beta4/iso/openSUSE-11.1-Beta4...

aria2c will automatically use P2P and/or multiple mirrors, whatever is available, and make sure that the download arrives 100% correctly. It verifies the download via provided checksums and can automatically start seeding the verified bits.

If you wonder how that works: The magic behind it is that aria2c will download an XML description which looks like this: http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/11.1-Beta4/iso/openSUSE-11.1-Beta4... If you look inside, you'll see a bittorrent link, checksums, all mirrors, segmented hashes, and even a PGP signature.

aria2c is very robust against all sorts of failures.

Peter -- Contact: admin@opensuse.org (a.k.a. ftpadmin@suse.com) #opensuse-mirrors on freenode.net Info: http://en.opensuse.org/Mirror_Infrastructure SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Research & Development

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