[opensuse-factory] Formal complaint about the behavior of Richard Brown regarding mass submits
Dear board members, Richard Brown has recently created 100s or 1000s of submit requests removing the Group: tag from all RPMs. He did so although there was no consensus reached on the openSUSE Factory mailing list. He did reopen the SRs several times, although he was pointed to the ongoing discussion. He did reopen the SRs again, even after a last warning a complaint will be filled. The mass SRs obliterate any other pending SRs with much more important changes, making addressing these much harder. Kind regards, Stefan -- Stefan Brüns / Bergstraße 21 / 52062 Aachen home: +49 241 53809034 mobile: +49 151 50412019
Hello! On 10/17/19 3:17 PM, Stefan Brüns wrote:
Richard Brown has recently created 100s or 1000s of submit requests removing the Group: tag from all RPMs.
He did so although there was no consensus reached on the openSUSE Factory mailing list.
He did reopen the SRs several times, although he was pointed to the ongoing discussion.
He did reopen the SRs again, even after a last warning a complaint will be filled.
The mass SRs obliterate any other pending SRs with much more important changes, making addressing these much harder.
I just noticed that and I disagree with the method of using the big hammer to enforce such changes without that an agreement has been made. Also, the SRs contain references to FATE which I'm not sure is even allowed to be used anymore. At least for ECOs, it isn't. Adrian -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2019-10-17 at 13:22 +0000, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
Hello!
On 10/17/19 3:17 PM, Stefan Brüns wrote:
Richard Brown has recently created 100s or 1000s of submit requests removing the Group: tag from all RPMs.
He did so although there was no consensus reached on the openSUSE Factory mailing list.
He did reopen the SRs several times, although he was pointed to the ongoing discussion.
He did reopen the SRs again, even after a last warning a complaint will be filled.
The mass SRs obliterate any other pending SRs with much more important changes, making addressing these much harder.
I just noticed that and I disagree with the method of using the big hammer to enforce such changes without that an agreement has been made.
Also, the SRs contain references to FATE which I'm not sure is even allowed to be used anymore. At least for ECOs, it isn't.
Adrian
The FATE, like the changes the FATE relate to, are over a year old..but unfortunately it is the valid references for the justification of the change. I'll do my best to summarise here. Basically the FATE was the discussion involving the YAST team for dropping the last of YaST's functionality that read package Group: tags And a discussion with our zypper maintainers that confirmed zypper never read the Group tag The FATE was fixed, with YaST's last Group handling removed over a year ago with the following changes: https://github.com/libyui/libyui-ncurses-pkg/pull/27 https://github.com/libyui/libyui-qt-pkg/pull/58 Therefore, the lack of openSUSE tooling using the tool makes the tag obsolete and prime for cleanup. -- Richard Brown Linux Distribution Engineer - Future Technology Team Phone +4991174053-361 SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, D-90409 Nuernberg (HRB 36809, AG Nürnberg) Geschäftsführer: Felix Imendörffer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/17/19 9:28 AM, Richard Brown wrote:
On Thu, 2019-10-17 at 13:22 +0000, John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
Hello!
On 10/17/19 3:17 PM, Stefan Brüns wrote:
Richard Brown has recently created 100s or 1000s of submit requests removing the Group: tag from all RPMs.
He did so although there was no consensus reached on the openSUSE Factory mailing list.
He did reopen the SRs several times, although he was pointed to the ongoing discussion.
He did reopen the SRs again, even after a last warning a complaint will be filled.
The mass SRs obliterate any other pending SRs with much more important changes, making addressing these much harder.
I just noticed that and I disagree with the method of using the big hammer to enforce such changes without that an agreement has been made.
Also, the SRs contain references to FATE which I'm not sure is even allowed to be used anymore. At least for ECOs, it isn't.
Adrian
The FATE, like the changes the FATE relate to, are over a year old..but unfortunately it is the valid references for the justification of the change.
I'll do my best to summarise here.
Basically the FATE was the discussion involving the YAST team for dropping the last of YaST's functionality that read package Group: tags
And a discussion with our zypper maintainers that confirmed zypper never read the Group tag
The FATE was fixed, with YaST's last Group handling removed over a year ago with the following changes:
https://github.com/libyui/libyui-ncurses-pkg/pull/27 https://github.com/libyui/libyui-qt-pkg/pull/58
Therefore, the lack of openSUSE tooling using the tool makes the tag obsolete and prime for cleanup.
Yes, cleanup is nice. In the past we handled this with warning messages in the spec checker which eventually turned into errors. That allowed package maintainers to make the changes at their convenience and didn't require 1 person to spend time to write a script and then mass submit changes that ever package maintainer had to review. ONe example is the move of license files to %license, which is still a warning but spec files are getting fixed. Is there a particular reason this approach was not used for this change? Thanks, Robert -- Robert Schweikert MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU Distinguished Architect LINUX Technical Team Lead Public Cloud rjschwei@suse.com IRC: robjo -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 17/10/2019 15:28, Richard Brown wrote:
The FATE, like the changes the FATE relate to, are over a year old..but unfortunately it is the valid references for the justification of the change.
I'll do my best to summarise here.
Basically the FATE was the discussion involving the YAST team for dropping the last of YaST's functionality that read package Group: tags
And a discussion with our zypper maintainers that confirmed zypper never read the Group tag
The FATE was fixed, with YaST's last Group handling removed over a year ago with the following changes:
https://github.com/libyui/libyui-ncurses-pkg/pull/27 https://github.com/libyui/libyui-qt-pkg/pull/58
Therefore, the lack of openSUSE tooling using the tool makes the tag
I still don't understand what is so bad about the group tag that warrants such fervent removal? I, as a multimedia maintainer have an almost unreadable long list of request emails, was this necessary? Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am 17.10.19 um 15:22 schrieb John Paul Adrian Glaubitz:
Also, the SRs contain references to FATE which I'm not sure is even allowed to be used anymore. At least for ECOs, it isn't.
And it's a fate that's unreadable to the non-privileged community contributor. -- Stefan Seyfried "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am 17.10.19 um 15:17 schrieb Stefan Brüns:
Dear board members,
Richard Brown has recently created 100s or 1000s of submit requests removing the Group: tag from all RPMs.
He did so although there was no consensus reached on the openSUSE Factory mailing list.
He did reopen the SRs several times, although he was pointed to the ongoing discussion.
He did reopen the SRs again, even after a last warning a complaint will be filled.
The mass SRs obliterate any other pending SRs with much more important changes, making addressing these much harder.
Kind regards,
I fully support this complaint, I could not have worded it this friendly. -- Stefan Seyfried "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag, 17. Oktober 2019, 15:17:33 CEST schrieb Stefan Brüns:
Richard Brown has recently created 100s or 1000s of submit requests removing the Group: tag from all RPMs.
It's about 2000 from what I can tell. Pete -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Hi The board will look into this (there are also other complaints raised by others in this area) but there is no need to include public mailing lists on your complaints. On 10/17/19 11:47 PM, Stefan Brüns wrote:
Dear board members,
Richard Brown has recently created 100s or 1000s of submit requests removing the Group: tag from all RPMs.
He did so although there was no consensus reached on the openSUSE Factory mailing list.
He did reopen the SRs several times, although he was pointed to the ongoing discussion.
He did reopen the SRs again, even after a last warning a complaint will be filled.
The mass SRs obliterate any other pending SRs with much more important changes, making addressing these much harder.
Kind regards,
Stefan
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Dave Plater -
Hans-Peter Jansen -
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz -
Richard Brown -
Robert Schweikert -
Simon Lees -
Stefan Brüns -
Stefan Seyfried