I agree that either PackageKit needs to work with Tumbleweed or be removed from Tumbleweed's patterns by default. It is highly confusing for new users and can lead to broken installs very easily. ​Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email.​ ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ On June 9, 2018 6:48 PM, Chuck Davis wrote:

My $.02 is make the software updater work on TW or remove the software

updater from TW and make it obvious what else to do. Any new user is

going to think the software updater is there to do what everyone would

expect.

On Sat, Jun 9, 2018 at 3:02 PM, Franklin Titus cygnix@opensuse.org wrote:

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Tumbleweed requires zypper dup for updating the system. PackageKit, the

default update notification and software updating tool, does not support

zypper dup in its current implementation; this causes a conflict leaving

undesirable effect when it is used to update a Tumbleweed system.

Here are some ideas suggested on #opensuse-factory:

PackageKit exclusion in Tumbleweed is one solution, however, this could

leave many systems vulnerable because there would not be notification of

critical updates.

PackageKit on Tumbleweed could be modified to notify of available updates

and direct the user to run zypper dup.

PackageKit on Tumbleweed could be implemented to support zypper dup.

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On Sunday, 10 June 2018 02:20:23 BST Knurpht @ openSUSE wrote:

Agree to all of what's said in this thread. How about replacing the whole packagekit stuff by some simple plasmoid-tw-updater that initially doesn't do much more than check for new Tw snapshots and have some "warning sign" in the systray, stating "New Tw snapshot available" ?

I would go on step further. Make it offer the tumbleweed update/list and revert with a link to the site on the snapshot stability because I can never remember where it is and always forget to bookmark. I would also suggest forking the tumbleweed command and teeing the output just in case the UI breaks in the middle - often you cant logout of KDE after an update when plasma changes so need way to be able to force reboot without init 6 etc

On Sunday, 10 June 2018 08:22:43 BST Bruno Friedmann wrote:

Andrew a trick when plasma menus seem to not work afer upgrade, you should still be able to run runner then type logout or reboot.

Thanks, I will try that. The last time it was the shutdown, reboot, logout box that was crashing after the update due to libraries changing. Of course the real answer is don't upgrade from the UI.

Am Sonntag, 10. Juni 2018, 08:20:26 CEST schrieb Andrei Borzenkov:

10.06.2018 01:02, Franklin Titus пишет: ......

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PackageKit on Tumbleweed could be modified to notify of available updates and direct the user to run zypper dup.

PackageKit on Tumbleweed could be implemented to support zypper dup.

https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1030829

Looks like the right approach! Having the updater dealing with TW is probably the smartest way -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org