On 06/03/13 00:50, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Basil Chupin [03-05-13 08:28]:

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I just installed oS 12.2 and then "upgraded" it to Tumbleweed.

The burning question I have about TW is:

how can I install - and/or should I install - latest versions of programs/applications/DE in TW?

For example, TW has only KDE 4.9.5 but v 4.10 has been around for a while (and I have it in oS 12.2). Also, the latest version of LibreOffice is 4.0 but the one in TW is 3.6.

Can I use the KDE 4.10 repo used for 12.2 to upgrade KDE in TW?

But re LibreOffice, I install it manually as a download from the LO site. Can I do the same in TW? I add various "Tumbleweed" repos

Sorry, I don't understand, Patrick, what are these Tumbleweed repos? Where are they to be found?

with the usual warning about published but not ?? main-stream repos and get *nearly* "cutting-edge" versions of apps.

So......are you saying that one cannot use the 12.2 KDE repo to get v4.10 into TW but have to wait for Greg to provide v4.10? I am bit puzzled about this because I thought that Tumbleweed was supposed to be uptodate and even "beyond" the latest official release. For example, TW which I installed tonight has kernel 3.8.1.30 - but not KDE 4.10. Only asking 'cause I am confused.....

Greg KH has some "testing" mechanism he uses before committing newer versions of apps to TW, (a good thing).

Although I haven't the need nor really looked for 4.x LO, I don't believe it is published yet for TW.

BC -- Using openSUSE 12.3 x86_64 KDE 4.10.00 & kernel 3.8.1-30 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 06/03/13 01:21, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Basil Chupin [03-05-13 09:06]:

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On 06/03/13 00:50, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Basil Chupin [03-05-13 08:28]:

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I just installed oS 12.2 and then "upgraded" it to Tumbleweed.

The burning question I have about TW is:

how can I install - and/or should I install - latest versions of programs/applications/DE in TW?

For example, TW has only KDE 4.9.5 but v 4.10 has been around for a while (and I have it in oS 12.2). Also, the latest version of LibreOffice is 4.0 but the one in TW is 3.6.

Can I use the KDE 4.10 repo used for 12.2 to upgrade KDE in TW?

But re LibreOffice, I install it manually as a download from the LO site. Can I do the same in TW? I add various "Tumbleweed" repos Sorry, I don't understand, Patrick, what are these Tumbleweed repos? Where are they to be found? http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Extra/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/ http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Printing/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/ http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/LibreOffice:/Stable/openSUSE_Tumbl...

Ah, so there are these hidden from view repos :-) . Is there is a list of all such repos for TW somewhere or are these the only ones? [pruned] BC -- Using openSUSE 12.3 x86_64 KDE 4.10.00 & kernel 3.8.1-30 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 06/03/13 01:39, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Basil Chupin [03-05-13 09:29]:

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On 06/03/13 01:21, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Basil Chupin [03-05-13 09:06]:

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Sorry, I don't understand, Patrick, what are these Tumbleweed repos? Where are they to be found? http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/KDE:/Extra/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/ http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/Printing/openSUSE_Tumbleweed/ http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/LibreOffice:/Stable/openSUSE_Tumbl... Ah, so there are these hidden from view repos :-) . I don't understand "hidden". They are in plain sight, displayed the same as other "versions", 12.1, 12.2, ....

Well, you don't see them until you go thru each and every repo to see if TW is listed there, which is what I meant. BTW, by going thru each repo I found another one which you don't have listed above: ......./repositories/games/openSUSE_Tumbleweed

Is there is a list of all such repos for TW somewhere or are these the only ones? Not to my knowledge, also not for 12.1/12.2/12.3/Factory/...

If there is a particular thing you where have interest, look at the repo web page and see if Tw is available or search the package indexes at http://software.opensuse.org/search

I haven't looked as yet at the "repo web page" you mention above but I would have expected all this information to be included in the Tumbleweed Portal. (BTW, the Portal info is not correct. For example, the "1-click install" doesn't work, and the instructions on how to create the repos don't work - I had to manually create them in YaST2 Software Management.)

usual warning: straying from the beaten path may cause inconsistencies. possible correction: remove last added repo and do "zypper -v dup" I do: on adding a single repo, do "zypper -v dup --from <new-repo>" and see what changes are proposed before committing. You do not always get what you want!

Again, many thanks! This info is most valuable and I have written it into my "little black book" for future reference :-) . Thanks. BC -- Using openSUSE 12.3 x86_64 KDE 4.10.00 & kernel 3.8.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 06/03/13 17:53, mark wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 06, 2013 05:20:52 PM Basil Chupin wrote:
>> On 06/03/13 01:39, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
>>> * Basil Chupin  [03-05-13 09:29]:
>>>> On 06/03/13 01:21, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
>>>>> * Basil Chupin  [03-05-13 09:06]:
>> (BTW, the Portal info is not correct. For example, the "1-click install"
>> doesn't work, and the instructions on how to create the repos don't work
>> - I had to manually create them in YaST2 Software Management.)
> it works.
> you will get a ymp file, double click it and the rest is made by yast without
> any problems.

What I get is a screen full of lines in a text file format. And that is 
it. There are no further 'instructions' as to what to do with this 
screenfull of lines.

BC

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On 06/03/13 19:05, mark wrote:
> On Wednesday, March 06, 2013 06:51:08 PM Basil Chupin wrote:
>> On 06/03/13 17:53, mark wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, March 06, 2013 05:20:52 PM Basil Chupin wrote:
>>>> On 06/03/13 01:39, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
>>>>> * Basil Chupin  [03-05-13 09:29]:
>>>>>> On 06/03/13 01:21, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
>>>>>>> * Basil Chupin  [03-05-13 09:06]:
>>>> (BTW, the Portal info is not correct. For example, the "1-click install"
>>>> doesn't work, and the instructions on how to create the repos don't work
>>>> - I had to manually create them in YaST2 Software Management.)
>>> it works.
>>> you will get a ymp file, double click it and the rest is made by yast
>>> without any problems.
>> What I get is a screen full of lines in a text file format. And that is
>> it. There are no further 'instructions' as to what to do with this
>> screenfull of lines.
>>
>> BC
> right-click, save as :-)

And.....?

BC

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On 06/03/13 19:22, mark wrote:

On Wednesday, March 06, 2013 07:16:22 PM Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 06/03/13 19:05, mark wrote:

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On Wednesday, March 06, 2013 06:51:08 PM Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 06/03/13 17:53, mark wrote:

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On Wednesday, March 06, 2013 05:20:52 PM Basil Chupin wrote:

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On 06/03/13 01:39, Patrick Shanahan wrote: > * Basil Chupin [03-05-13 09:29]: >> On 06/03/13 01:21, Patrick Shanahan wrote: >>> * Basil Chupin [03-05-13 09:06]: (BTW, the Portal info is not correct. For example, the "1-click install" doesn't work, and the instructions on how to create the repos don't work - I had to manually create them in YaST2 Software Management.) it works. you will get a ymp file, double click it and the rest is made by yast without any problems. What I get is a screen full of lines in a text file format. And that is it. There are no further 'instructions' as to what to do with this screenfull of lines.

BC right-click, save as :-) And.....?

BC save as ymp file, go to your download folder, doubleclick this file, see what will happen and smile a bit ;-)

R-i-g-h-t..... So why isn't this spelt out in the "wiki"? "...and smile a bit ;-)". Today I am in a SOAB mood so no smilies.... (There is a "1-click install" for openSUSE in packman which is really a "1-click install". Click on this and the application gets installed.) BC -- Using openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 KDE 4.10.00 & kernel 3.8.2-1 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 07/03/13 07:46, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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El 2013-03-06 a las 19:31 +1100, Basil Chupin escribió:

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> it works. > you will get a ymp file, double click it and the rest is made by > yast > without any problems. What I get is a screen full of lines in a text file format. And that is it. There are no further 'instructions' as to what to do with this screenfull of lines.

BC right-click, save as :-) And.....?

BC save as ymp file, go to your download folder, doubleclick this file, see what will happen and smile a bit ;-)

R-i-g-h-t.....

So why isn't this spelt out in the "wiki"?

Because it works in Firefox by default if you click on the link, you have to do nothing. It does not work in that popular google browser, chrome or something :-)

But this is simply avoiding the question. Isn't the wiki supposed to tell people on how to use things and what to expect or not to expect?

"...and smile a bit ;-)". Today I am in a SOAB mood so no smilies....

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(There is a "1-click install" for openSUSE in packman which is really a "1-click install". Click on this and the application gets installed.)

Ah, if some 1-clicks work for you and some don't, then it is probably the fault of the web page not declaring the mime-type correctly.

OK, so you accept that the wiki web page is stuffed and is not working correctly. I'll agree with this because I can go to a site like packman and use the "1-click install" without any hassles. BC -- Using openSUSE 12.3 x86_64 with KDE 4.10.1 & kernel 3.8.2-1 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Wed, 06 Mar 2013 17:20:52 +1100 Basil Chupin wrote:

I haven't looked as yet at the "repo web page" you mention above but I would have expected all this information to be included in the Tumbleweed Portal.

How that will happen? Asking someone to sip trough about 75000 results of Google search on download server with query site:download.opensuse.org tumbleweed or about 69200 results of (home projects excluded) site:download.opensuse.org tumbleweed -"/home" or about 3700 results of: site:build.opensuse.org tumbleweed or about 2550 results of (home projects excluded) site:build.opensuse.org tumbleweed -"/home" and put results on a wiki page? Once upon a time when people came on idea to create OBS - no one was so optimistic and see thousands of repositories (2431) and tens of thousands of packages in some 7 years. -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org