On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 08:58:15 +0200 Bruno Friedmann wrote:

On Thursday 11 September 2014 06.42:20 Graham P Davis wrote:

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On Wed, 10 Sep 2014 14:43:57 +0200 Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Hi,

I updated http://stephan.kulow.org/opensuse_13.2/ to reflect the release schedule as I plan with:

20140918 13.2 Beta 20141009 13.2 RC1 20141030 13.2 GM 20141104 13.2 release

Till the Beta I will take care of syncing Factory and 13.2, after that 13.2 is an indepedent project with its own staging projects. How we track the submissions to it, I haven't yet decided.

Will the roadmap at https://en.opensuse.org/Roadmap be updated soon?

Graham why not trying to update directly the wiki page copy paste Stephan date in place of asking ? Would have been a great contribution ;-)

The last time I followed that sort of advice, I got the totally undeserved reputation of being an expert on a piece of software. Bloomin' scary to keep seeing my name in mail-lists as the person to contact regarding problems. Never again! ;-) Anyway, I see it has been updated. Thanks. -- Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. openSUSE 13.2-m0 (64-bit); KDE 4.14.0; AMD Phenom II X2 550 Processor; Kernel: 3.16.1; Video: nVidia GeForce 210 (using nouveau driver); Sound: ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 19:06:44 +0200 Bruno Friedmann wrote:

On Thursday 11 September 2014 14.31:35 Graham P Davis wrote:

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On Thu, 11 Sep 2014 08:58:15 +0200 Bruno Friedmann wrote:

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On Thursday 11 September 2014 06.42:20 Graham P Davis wrote:

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On Wed, 10 Sep 2014 14:43:57 +0200 Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Hi,

I updated http://stephan.kulow.org/opensuse_13.2/ to reflect the release schedule as I plan with:

20140918 13.2 Beta 20141009 13.2 RC1 20141030 13.2 GM 20141104 13.2 release

Till the Beta I will take care of syncing Factory and 13.2, after that 13.2 is an indepedent project with its own staging projects. How we track the submissions to it, I haven't yet decided.

Will the roadmap at https://en.opensuse.org/Roadmap be updated soon?

Graham why not trying to update directly the wiki page copy paste Stephan date in place of asking ? Would have been a great contribution ;-)

The last time I followed that sort of advice, I got the totally undeserved reputation of being an expert on a piece of software. Bloomin' scary to keep seeing my name in mail-lists as the person to contact regarding problems. Never again! ;-)

Anyway, I see it has been updated. Thanks.

wtf ???

I'm not sure I can afford the hidden humoristic part of ...

What the hell did you expect then, that by magic there will always a non afraid soul who will do the work ?

In the case I was talking about, I expected the person responsible for the software changes to update the documentation. This is the way it was done when I was a programmer and I foolishly assumed that everyone abided by these principles. I was only a user of the software went along with the suggestion that I should update the wiki. For some years afterwards, I found myself feeling responsible for its update. I find it odd that a programmer should, say, carefully design code for an application and then leave it to any ignorant Tom, Dick or Harry to update documentation. They would seem to want the program to work correctly but not care too much as to whether users were able to find out how to correctly use it. The point of the smiley was to suggest that the "never again" was a little ironic and that in the rare event that I would feel confident to correctly provide information for a wiki, I would do so. Sorry that I didn't make myself clear. -- Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. openSUSE 13.2-m0 (64-bit); KDE 4.14.0; AMD Phenom II X2 550 Processor; Kernel: 3.16.1; Video: nVidia GeForce 210 (using nouveau driver); Sound: ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 11.09.2014 09:00, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2014-09-10 14:43, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Hi,

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I updated http://stephan.kulow.org/opensuse_13.2/ to reflect the release schedule as I plan with:

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20140918 13.2 Beta 20141009 13.2 RC1 20141030 13.2 GM 20141104 13.2 release

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Till the Beta I will take care of syncing Factory and 13.2, after that 13.2 is an indepedent project with its own staging projects. How we track the submissions to it, I haven't yet decided.

When should we start the translations? At Beta or RC1? In other words, I do not see a translation freeze in the schedule, just a translation finish :-?

That's a task for a translation coordinator to define. Greetings, Stephan -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iD8DBQFUEWUiwFSBhlBjoJYRAqHpAJ47nx9Ua6GbKSzB0DwLRX/jEC03LACfR0OR ua9PQkAouxUReTE/7BC06d8= =5G2Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-09-11 11:36, Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2014-09-11 11:02, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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On 11.09.2014 09:00, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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When should we start the translations? At Beta or RC1? In other words, I do not see a translation freeze in the schedule, just a translation finish :-?

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That's a task for a translation coordinator to define.

Ok, forwarded to translation mail list to ask who does that defining.

If your answer means that each language team defines the schedule, that's wrong, you did not understand my question, then. We need a string freeze, and that's the developers who stop developing, not the translators.

We also need further clarification for translation. Normally, we work on http://svn.opensuse.org/svn/opensuse-i18n/trunk/, because till 13.1 the http://svn.opensuse.org/svn/opensuse-i18n/openSUSE-13_1-Branch was created some time _after_ GM release, and trunk was under string freeze (the pots did not change, except if really needed). But I understand that you say that 13.2 is going to be separated from factory between beta and RC1. Thus the openSUSE-13_2-Branch (translation tree) has to be created before we translators can start work on it... - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlQRcd8ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VEgACbBdn8RP9tvbUsNvkc4sdry5wm Q8MAoI5jQGaCAfMKDMVyVLabSJ+F1J62 =D60B -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Thursday 11 September 2014 09.23:47 vetter@physik.uni-wuerzburg.de wrote:

Stephan Kulow wrote on 10/09/2014 14:43:57:

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Hi,

I updated http://stephan.kulow.org/opensuse_13.2/ to reflect the release schedule as I plan with:

20140918 13.2 Beta 20141009 13.2 RC1 20141030 13.2 GM 20141104 13.2 release

Till the Beta I will take care of syncing Factory and 13.2, after that 13.2 is an indepedent project with its own staging projects. How we track the submissions to it, I haven't yet decided.

Greetings, Stephan

I updated https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Roadmap#Milestones with the dates.

Andreas.

Nice, I've completed the download list by placing the Current iso download link -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch ------------------------ / openSUSE Member & Board \ / GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 \ \ irc: tigerfoot / \ / ------------------------ \ /@ --~-. \/ __ .- | // // @ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org