On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 21:35:27 +0200 Oliver Neukum wrote:

Am Freitag, 18. Juni 2010 21:31:14 schrieb Andre den Oudsten:

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I had installed openSUE 11.3 M7 and got problems with USB sticks. They did not connect. I installed RC1 but had the same results. How can I configure the system to be able to connect my USB sticks?

This should require no special configuration. Any errors in the log?

Regards Oliver

Did you try to mount it manually? "sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt" replacing sdb1 with your device name? Works fine here under 11.2 &11.3-M7/RC1 with several different flash & hard drives. Tom -- Tom Taylor - retired penguin openSuSE 11.3-RC1 x86_64 KDE 4.4.3, FF 3.6.4 claws-mail 3.7.6 linxt-At-comcast-DoT-net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 11:34:27PM +0200, Martin Schlander wrote:

Fredag den 18. juni 2010 22:48:17 skrev Thomas Taylor:

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On Fri, 18 Jun 2010 21:35:27 +0200

Oliver Neukum wrote:

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Am Freitag, 18. Juni 2010 21:31:14 schrieb Andre den Oudsten:

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I had installed openSUE 11.3 M7 and got problems with USB sticks. They did not connect. I installed RC1 but had the same results. How can I configure the system to be able to connect my USB sticks?

This should require no special configuration. Any errors in the log?

Regards

Oliver

Did you try to mount it manually? "sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt" replacing sdb1 with your device name?

Works fine here under 11.2 &11.3-M7/RC1 with several different flash & hard drives.

Prolly caused by HAL not being installed/running. Apparently this should be in fixed for RC2.

HAL should no longer be needed at all, why would you want to install it? thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 08:36:05AM +0200, Martin Schlander wrote:

Fredag den 18. juni 2010 23:40:17 skrev Greg KH:

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HAL should no longer be needed at all, why would you want to install it?

HAL is still needed by a little thing called KDE/Solid.

Then why isn't the rpm dependancy there? Maybe if we updated to the latest kde this dependancy would be gone :) thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On 21/06/10 10:01, Stephan Kulow wrote:

Am Samstag 19 Juni 2010 schrieb Greg KH:

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On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 08:36:05AM +0200, Martin Schlander wrote:

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Fredag den 18. juni 2010 23:40:17 skrev Greg KH:

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HAL should no longer be needed at all, why would you want to install it?

HAL is still needed by a little thing called KDE/Solid.

Then why isn't the rpm dependancy there? Maybe if we updated to the latest kde this dependancy would be gone :)

Very likely not: http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/KDE/kdelibs/solid/solid/backends/

Though there are: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/work/solid-devicekit/solid/backends/devicekit... http://websvn.kde.org/branches/work/alternate-solid-devicekit/solid/solid/ba... The developers are not yet convinced that DeviceKit can replace hal, AFAICT. John. -- John Beranek To generalise is to be an idiot. http://redux.org.uk/ -- William Blake -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 03:33:07PM +0200, Will Stephenson wrote:

It's happening now, but the backends are still work in progress. Due to poor communications between u*/DeviceKit developers and the rest of the world

Really? Where did the "rest of the world" look for communicating with these developers? I found communicating with them very easy, and they provided lots of documentation and examples and even did a lot of the work for others when asked. Did the KDE team even ask?

and frequent API rewrites, the KDE hardware team decided to wait for those backends to stabilize until writing a Solid backend for them.

So when will this show up in KDE? It's not nice to have to keep HAL around for only one package on the whole system, especially when it isn't maintained anymore... thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 22 June 2010 15:33:07 Will Stephenson wrote:

It's happening now, but the backends are still work in progress. Due to poor communications between u*/DeviceKit developers and the rest of the world and frequent API rewrites, the KDE hardware team decided to wait for those backends to stabilize until writing a Solid backend for them.

Will

I think the switch away from HAL should happen as early as possible - HAL is no longer maintained, and although the current Solid backend for HAL is in a good shape, there are several things which don't work because it is not supported by HAL. Especially support for advanced disk configurations (e.g. LVM) is nonexistent, and the trash implementation relies on proper information from solid (i.e, currently HAL). Trashing files on separate data partitions becomes a nightmare, as the file will be _moved_ to the home partition ... Stefan -- Stefan Brüns / Bergstraße 21 / 52062 Aachen phone: +49 241 53809034 mobile: +49 151 50412019 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Torsdag den 24. juni 2010 22:43:30 skrev Stefan Bruens:

On Tuesday 22 June 2010 15:33:07 Will Stephenson wrote:

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It's happening now, but the backends are still work in progress. Due to poor communications between u*/DeviceKit developers and the rest of the world and frequent API rewrites, the KDE hardware team decided to wait for those backends to stabilize until writing a Solid backend for them.

Will

I think the switch away from HAL should happen as early as possible - HAL is no longer maintained, and although the current Solid backend for HAL is in a good shape, there are several things which don't work because it is not supported by HAL.

Especially support for advanced disk configurations (e.g. LVM) is nonexistent, and the trash implementation relies on proper information from solid (i.e, currently HAL). Trashing files on separate data partitions becomes a nightmare, as the file will be _moved_ to the home partition ...

And how about the things that are nonexistant in devicekit? ;-) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DeviceKit_versus_SolidHAL There's no reason to rush to jump on every experiment that comes from certain places. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Le 26/06/2010 18:58, Greg KH a écrit :

So, you want to rely on a package that is unmaintained and unsupported? Are you willing to support it?

well... now this is the only one that works :-)) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.facebook.com/pages/I-support-the-Linux-Documentation-Project/3720... http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-fan-page-of-Claire-Dodin/106485119372062?v... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 11:33:10PM +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote:

On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 09:58:23AM -0700, Greg KH wrote:

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On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 08:54:00AM +0200, Martin Schlander wrote:

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Torsdag den 24. juni 2010 22:43:30 skrev Stefan Bruens:

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On Tuesday 22 June 2010 15:33:07 Will Stephenson wrote:

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It's happening now, but the backends are still work in progress. Due to poor communications between u*/DeviceKit developers and the rest of the world and frequent API rewrites, the KDE hardware team decided to wait for those backends to stabilize until writing a Solid backend for them.

Will

I think the switch away from HAL should happen as early as possible - HAL is no longer maintained, and although the current Solid backend for HAL is in a good shape, there are several things which don't work because it is not supported by HAL.

Especially support for advanced disk configurations (e.g. LVM) is nonexistent, and the trash implementation relies on proper information from solid (i.e, currently HAL). Trashing files on separate data partitions becomes a nightmare, as the file will be _moved_ to the home partition ...

And how about the things that are nonexistant in devicekit? ;-) https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/DeviceKit_versus_SolidHAL

There's no reason to rush to jump on every experiment that comes from certain places.

So, you want to rely on a package that is unmaintained and unsupported? Are you willing to support it?

I would like to underline that we do support HAL for SLES 11 until, well, forever.

The opensuse-factory mailing list has nothing to do with SLES, so I am very confused as to why you are bringing this up here... greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 03:44:06PM +0200, Marcus Meissner wrote:

I am a bit frustrated that we got pushed hal for years as the final solution and now with a snip of finger and without compatibility that is replaced by a new solution, and 6 months later again by a new solution. (oh, and it is not a full replacement, that is being still worked on (media polling)).

The upstream developers gave lots of warning that this was going to happen, and offered help. As far as media polling, I don't know, but I'd be surprised if something didn't provide that as Gnome works without HAL properly.

Wine e.g. is still in a wait-and-see position on what will happen and probably will still ship HAL support in its upcoming 1.2 release.

The xorg developers went over the same stages of grief and complaints about loosing HAL, but in the end, their codebase got a lot smaller and worked better by just using libudev instead of HAL, and they were happier. So perhaps Wine will get there too :) thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org