Thanks Jan for your response. Really the tone is unnecessary here, i was just looking for guidance on what the repository is - i can't find any reference to it on the page: http://en.opensuse.org/Package_repositories or the links to other repos it provides. I took the dive and disabled Network12.2 then switched repos to Tumbleweed and upgraded. I had no problems, and yes cyrus-sasl downgraded. It occurred to me that this repo was enabled when trying to install the necessary dependencies for Crossover. Im not experienced with the inner workings of operating systems, i just use openSUSE because its a great platform for my work - i'm an engineer working in energy efficiency - and i like Linux. Regards, Trent On 2 November 2012 23:35, Jan Engelhardt wrote:

On Friday 2012-11-02 06:21, Trent Hawkins wrote:

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This is going to sound like a noob question but...

I am in the process of switching over to Tumbleweed from openSUSE12.2 base.

Somewhere along the line i gathered a bunch of repos which i don't know if i actually need anymore. This includes: Network12.2 - http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/network/openSUSE_12.2/

The basic rule is: if you do not know why you need it, you in fact do not need it. This applies to *ANY* extra repository.

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The only package i have installed from it (what i can tell using YAST) is one called "cyrus-sasl-devel" - v2.1.25-55.1. Looks to be a newer version than the one in Current Oss.

And: do you care? Do you absolutely need a newer version of cyrus-sasl? If and only if you did, you would already know that you needed the repo.

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2012-11-05 01:45, Trent Hawkins wrote:

Oh one more point...

How does one actually learn with a response like that?

A very correct response, IMHO. You are not used to mail lists and computeresse, it seems :-p - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://www.enigmail.net/ iF4EAREIAAYFAlCXIeIACgkQja8UbcUWM1xODAD/auLkFInS85ZeC5gKG442BCaG 1AekoxXR87u6U5KSMbkA/3tsVNCdGu3Ds6eQY424NVjZhOSp89K9t//LjQfZyEr2 =ZA2o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

No problemo! At the very least i got a response. In all seriousness i am wanting to learn more, but it can be hard wading through all the results from Uncle Google and trying to discern fact from fiction. You guys are the experts, that's why i'm asking you. I am now going to have a proper look at exactly what dependencies i need for Crossover/Wine on openSUSE. Unfortunately the install process on my previous setup - openSUSE Tumbleweed (12.1) was a lot more straight-forward process. On openSUSE 12.2 i had to install all the Wine dependencies myself even when using the crossover.rpm file. This is where the problem started. Regards, Trent On 5 November 2012 20:51, Jos Poortvliet wrote:

On Monday 05 November 2012 11:43:12 Trent Hawkins wrote:

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Thanks Jan for your response.

Hi Trent¸

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Really the tone is unnecessary here Please excuse Jan and Carlos and please understand that many people on this list don't even understand why Jan's response came over as unfriendly to you. This is unfortunately how people on this and most other openSUSE lists communicate: terse and without the 'friendly boilerplate' that is common to most cultures.

It is not meant to be rude and I can assure you Jan is a very nice person - but like most here, he does not bother to add the 4 or 5 words which would make his response that much more inviting and friendly.

I'm sorry for that, it is off-putting for many potential users and contributors. But, as Carlos made clear in his response to you, the list participants like it this way and are even proud of their 'directness'. Being friendly is considered hypocritical and all that - it's a cultural thing. I'm not even sure how to get it in some of the heads here that being nice just makes things nicer... Suggestions are welcome.

Maybe the next openSUSE conference should have a mandatory group hug after all... ;-)

Have a nice day, Jos

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, i was just looking for guidance on what the repository is - i can't find any reference to it on the page: http://en.opensuse.org/Package_repositories or the links to other repos it provides.

I took the dive and disabled Network12.2 then switched repos to Tumbleweed and upgraded. I had no problems, and yes cyrus-sasl downgraded.

It occurred to me that this repo was enabled when trying to install the necessary dependencies for Crossover.

Im not experienced with the inner workings of operating systems, i just use openSUSE because its a great platform for my work - i'm an engineer working in energy efficiency - and i like Linux.

Regards, Trent

On 2 November 2012 23:35, Jan Engelhardt wrote:

...

On Friday 2012-11-02 06:21, Trent Hawkins wrote:

...

This is going to sound like a noob question but...

I am in the process of switching over to Tumbleweed from openSUSE12.2

base.

Somewhere along the line i gathered a bunch of repos which i don't know if i actually need anymore. This includes: Network12.2 -

http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/network/openSUSE_12.2/

The basic rule is: if you do not know why you need it, you in fact do not need it. This applies to *ANY* extra repository.

...

The only package i have installed from it (what i can tell using YAST) is one called "cyrus-sasl-devel" - v2.1.25-55.1. Looks to be a newer version than the one in Current Oss.

And: do you care? Do you absolutely need a newer version of cyrus- sasl? If and only if you did, you would already know that you needed the repo.

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If you would use zypper or yast for installing, the dependencies would automagically be installed for you providing the rpm is properly constructed.

This was not the case unfortunately, and Crossover support told me to install the dependencies directly. It really was a terrible nightmare (despite it working fine now), and therefore i am going to re-install from scratch.

ps: Please read the opensuse mailing list netiquette at: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_list_netiquette We don't top_post here and we expect you to trim your quotes to *only* what is necessary to convey or support your comment/question.

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