[opensuse-factory] Tumbleweed and KSplice
I've been testing and using Tumbleweed (with the intent on reviewing and recommending it on omgsuse.com) for a couple of weeks now and I've noticed a couple things: * LibreOffice seems to be updated ... all the time * Kernel updates *screw things up* for users I've run into the scenario a couple of times where my `zypper dup --from Tumbleweed` upgrades my kernel, and then before I can get around to a reboot, I need to log onto VPN or mount a FAT32 device. Both scenarios involving loading a kernal module that previously wasn't loaded. Has there been any discussion about incorporating KSplice with Tumbleweed for a truly seamless rolling distro? I'm conceptually familiar with KSplice as a technology and the "enterprise" service with supported kernels, but I'm not aware of too many folks using their technology "independent" of KSplice, Inc. For reference: http://www.ksplice.com/software Thoughts/flames? :) Cheers - R. Tyler Croy -------------------------------------- Code: http://github.com/rtyler Chatter: http://identi.ca/agentdero http://twitter.com/agentdero
Hi, the Libreoffice problem was explained some time ago on this list. There seem to be some overall dependencies which let the build service recreate Libreoffice all the time. The second one is not a Tumbleweed problem but a SUSE one. I even had this on a SLES 11 production system because I was so careless to install the updates without restarting the whole system. I think it is a huge problem and totally unneeded. Of course Ksplice would be great but until then I would suggest the Debian way or however it is called to install the Kernels in parallel and not replace the old one. I mean the only argument in favor of the SUSE style that comes to my mind is space and most systems have enough of it. If space is an issue it would be also fine to just always keep the running kernel and the latest. Tim On 05/08/2011 04:37 AM, R. Tyler Croy wrote:
I've been testing and using Tumbleweed (with the intent on reviewing and recommending it on omgsuse.com) for a couple of weeks now and I've noticed a couple things:
* LibreOffice seems to be updated ... all the time * Kernel updates *screw things up* for users
I've run into the scenario a couple of times where my `zypper dup --from Tumbleweed` upgrades my kernel, and then before I can get around to a reboot, I need to log onto VPN or mount a FAT32 device. Both scenarios involving loading a kernal module that previously wasn't loaded.
Has there been any discussion about incorporating KSplice with Tumbleweed for a truly seamless rolling distro? I'm conceptually familiar with KSplice as a technology and the "enterprise" service with supported kernels, but I'm not aware of too many folks using their technology "independent" of KSplice, Inc.
For reference: http://www.ksplice.com/software
Thoughts/flames? :)
Cheers - R. Tyler Croy -------------------------------------- Code: http://github.com/rtyler Chatter: http://identi.ca/agentdero http://twitter.com/agentdero
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On Sun, May 08, 2011 at 10:13:57AM +0200, Tim wrote:
Hi,
the Libreoffice problem was explained some time ago on this list. There seem to be some overall dependencies which let the build service recreate Libreoffice all the time.
Yes, I've been trying to only cause this to rebuild once a week at most, but due to the recent mixup with KDE, we got a few more rebuilds this past week.
The second one is not a Tumbleweed problem but a SUSE one. I even had this on a SLES 11 production system because I was so careless to install the updates without restarting the whole system.
And it's solved by a simple line in your zypper config file: multiversion = provides:multiversion(kernel)
I think it is a huge problem and totally unneeded. Of course Ksplice would be great but until then I would suggest the Debian way or however it is called to install the Kernels in parallel and not replace the old one. I mean the only argument in favor of the SUSE style that comes to my mind is space and most systems have enough of it.
See above for how to do that. As for ksplice, no it would not work for us, the kernel changes we do are too "intrusive" like update to new minor releases, or major ones. Oh, and it seems the ksplice project is dead as well, so that too is a big issue with anyone using it :( thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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