[opensuse-factory] removal of enigmail package
Hi, I'm starting to wonder if it makes sense to keep the enigmail package available as a package in openSUSE and would like to hear your opinion. Usually there is not much advantage in having Addons as RPMs but in case of Enigmail I always offered an exception for the following reasons: - enigmail should be part of TB by default (IMHO) - during the whole gcc C++ ABI changes there was no working Enigmail as public addon - for quite some time there was no x86-64 version available At the moment I think enigmail is pretty usable as provided by enigmail.mozdev.org (or addons.mozilla.org). It has both relevant architectures and multi locale support. On the other hand it turned out to be pretty problematic to offer a really working enigmail (with locales) for the fast pace of Thunderbird (beta) versions. In addition in the beginning it was meant to support Thunderbird and Seamonkey but in reality because of version differences it only supports Thunderbird anyway (most of the time). So what do you think about it? I'm currently running TB6beta2 with enigmail as available as nightly from the enigmail project and it's quite usable. IMHO this is sufficient and I'd recommend to drop enigmail as subpackage from Thunderbird in Factory. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
I'm starting to wonder if it makes sense to keep the enigmail package available as a package in openSUSE and would like to hear your opinion.
Usually there is not much advantage in having Addons as RPMs but in case of Enigmail I always offered an exception for the following reasons:
Please keep it as package. Having to install loads of add-ons per user to make mozilla.org software usable sucks enough already. Stuff that's basically considered mandatory for any sane MUA should be installed together with the mailer. Even more so if we're talking about native code. cu Ludwig -- (o_ Ludwig Nussel //\ V_/_ http://www.suse.de/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am 01.08.2011 13:46, schrieb Ludwig Nussel:
Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
I'm starting to wonder if it makes sense to keep the enigmail package available as a package in openSUSE and would like to hear your opinion.
Usually there is not much advantage in having Addons as RPMs but in case of Enigmail I always offered an exception for the following reasons:
Please keep it as package. Having to install loads of add-ons per user to make mozilla.org software usable sucks enough already. Stuff that's basically considered mandatory for any sane MUA should be installed together with the mailer. Even more so if we're talking about native code.
Ok, but that means that support for prerelease versions of Thunderbird and Seamonkey will be very limited. I don't want to block releasing new Thunderbird stuff on enigmail availability. I don't expect that to be a problem for real openSUSE releases but Factory and mozilla:beta will break enigmail support regularly (as it did already in the last weeks). Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Am 01.08.2011 13:46, schrieb Ludwig Nussel:
Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
I'm starting to wonder if it makes sense to keep the enigmail package available as a package in openSUSE and would like to hear your opinion.
Usually there is not much advantage in having Addons as RPMs but in case of Enigmail I always offered an exception for the following reasons:
Please keep it as package. Having to install loads of add-ons per user to make mozilla.org software usable sucks enough already. Stuff that's basically considered mandatory for any sane MUA should be installed together with the mailer. Even more so if we're talking about native code.
Ok, but that means that support for prerelease versions of Thunderbird and Seamonkey will be very limited. I don't want to block releasing new Thunderbird stuff on enigmail availability. I don't expect that to be a problem for real openSUSE releases but Factory and mozilla:beta will break enigmail support regularly (as it did already in the last weeks).
Wouldn't that be the case with the pre-built, externally downloaded binary too? What kind of magic sauce do they put in their build if it's not the case? cu Ludwig -- (o_ Ludwig Nussel //\ V_/_ http://www.suse.de/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am 01.08.2011 14:06, schrieb Ludwig Nussel:
Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Am 01.08.2011 13:46, schrieb Ludwig Nussel:
Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
I'm starting to wonder if it makes sense to keep the enigmail package available as a package in openSUSE and would like to hear your opinion.
Usually there is not much advantage in having Addons as RPMs but in case of Enigmail I always offered an exception for the following reasons:
Please keep it as package. Having to install loads of add-ons per user to make mozilla.org software usable sucks enough already. Stuff that's basically considered mandatory for any sane MUA should be installed together with the mailer. Even more so if we're talking about native code.
Ok, but that means that support for prerelease versions of Thunderbird and Seamonkey will be very limited. I don't want to block releasing new Thunderbird stuff on enigmail availability. I don't expect that to be a problem for real openSUSE releases but Factory and mozilla:beta will break enigmail support regularly (as it did already in the last weeks).
Wouldn't that be the case with the pre-built, externally downloaded binary too? What kind of magic sauce do they put in their build if it's not the case?
It would be partially the case also with their builds. But apart from that it's not exactly clear from which source they build their versions as that is not reflected in CVS branches/tags while they have to support 4 branches of Mozilla's mailnews code. I'll contact upstream to get a better idea about how that is organized on their side. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am 01.08.2011 14:06, schrieb Ludwig Nussel:
Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Am 01.08.2011 13:46, schrieb Ludwig Nussel:
Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
I'm starting to wonder if it makes sense to keep the enigmail package available as a package in openSUSE and would like to hear your opinion.
Usually there is not much advantage in having Addons as RPMs but in case of Enigmail I always offered an exception for the following reasons:
Please keep it as package. Having to install loads of add-ons per user to make mozilla.org software usable sucks enough already. Stuff that's basically considered mandatory for any sane MUA should be installed together with the mailer. Even more so if we're talking about native code.
Ok, but that means that support for prerelease versions of Thunderbird and Seamonkey will be very limited. I don't want to block releasing new Thunderbird stuff on enigmail availability. I don't expect that to be a problem for real openSUSE releases but Factory and mozilla:beta will break enigmail support regularly (as it did already in the last weeks).
Wouldn't that be the case with the pre-built, externally downloaded binary too? What kind of magic sauce do they put in their build if it's not the case?
Hmm, I missed one disadvantage and I'd like to hear some feedback on that: As Thunderbird is following Firefox' release cycle and won't provide security-only versions anymore future security updates are blocked by the availability of a stable Enigmail version. We probably can include a prerelease by the time of the official TB release but that must be made clear. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Le lundi 01 août 2011, à 13:39 +0200, Wolfgang Rosenauer a écrit :
Hi,
I'm starting to wonder if it makes sense to keep the enigmail package available as a package in openSUSE and would like to hear your opinion.
Is it possible to have Thunderbird download it from addons.mozilla.org on first start? (Or to have TB notify the user, etc.) Cheers, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am 01.08.2011 13:48, schrieb Vincent Untz:
Le lundi 01 août 2011, à 13:39 +0200, Wolfgang Rosenauer a écrit :
Hi,
I'm starting to wonder if it makes sense to keep the enigmail package available as a package in openSUSE and would like to hear your opinion.
Is it possible to have Thunderbird download it from addons.mozilla.org on first start? (Or to have TB notify the user, etc.)
Not easily possible afaik. The effort to do something like this is probably worse than keeping the package alive somehow. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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