Am Wed, 31 Aug 2011 09:15:44 +0200 schrieb Andreas Jaeger :

On Tuesday, August 30, 2011 15:54:29 Stefan Seyfried wrote:

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Hi all.

Greg said "all users of the 3.0 series *must* upgrade when announcing 3.0.4.

However, with FACTORY, I can't, as there is only 3.0.0 (and Kernel:HEAD's 3.1.rc3 is crashing like hell all the time).

Current head is 3.1rc4 and that works fine for me (first 3.1 rc I tried).

I updated now, too and will check if the issues are fixed (resetting an USB connected android ADB device was often crashing the kernel). If not, the kernel is now hopefully current enough to file a bug ;-)

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Even Tumbleweed has a newer Kernel than FACTORY. That's not how it was planned to be IIUC.

Jeff, which kernel are we going to use for 12.1? 3.0 or 3.1? Which way do you want to update now?

No matter what we'll get for 12.1, leaving FACTORY vulnerable to apparently grave bugs ("all users MUST upgrade") is not good IMVHO. If a kernel is good enough for Tumbleweed, it should be good enough for FACTORY, too. If "use Kernel:HEAD for FACTORY" is the proposed way of handling this, then we should remove the kernel packages from FACTORY and tell people that they have to add Kernel:HEAD in order to use FACTORY. -- Stefan Seyfried "Dispatch war rocket Ajax to bring back his body!" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday, August 31, 2011 11:07:21 Jeff Mahoney wrote:

On 08/31/2011 03:15 AM, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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On Tuesday, August 30, 2011 15:54:29 Stefan Seyfried wrote:

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Hi all.

Greg said "all users of the 3.0 series *must* upgrade when announcing 3.0.4.

However, with FACTORY, I can't, as there is only 3.0.0 (and Kernel:HEAD's 3.1.rc3 is crashing like hell all the time).

Current head is 3.1rc4 and that works fine for me (first 3.1 rc I tried).

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Even Tumbleweed has a newer Kernel than FACTORY. That's not how it was planned to be IIUC.

Jeff, which kernel are we going to use for 12.1? 3.0 or 3.1? Which way do you want to update now?

I'm planning on using 3.1 for 12.1. We don't branch for every kernel I push to Factory so it'd be something of a pain to go back and adjust the 3.0 kernel for Factory.

So, time to push rc4 into Factory? Thanks for the update, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE aj@{suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 07:42:55PM +0200, Stefan Seyfried wrote:

Hi Jeff,

Am Wed, 31 Aug 2011 11:07:21 -0400 schrieb Jeff Mahoney :

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I'm planning on using 3.1 for 12.1.

Good.

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We don't branch for every kernel I push to Factory so it'd be something of a pain to go back and adjust the 3.0 kernel for Factory.

I understand that. However, leaving FACTORY users vulnerable is not a good option IMVHO.

Vulnerable to what specifically are you referring to here? And there's always going to be a lag of a few days from upstream to getting stuff into Factory, especially during times when Factory is "frozen" due to rebuilds and the like. If you run Factory, you get used to this, it's nothing new. greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 09:13:21PM +0200, Stefan Seyfried wrote:

Hi Greg,

Am Wed, 31 Aug 2011 11:36:27 -0700 schrieb Greg KH :

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On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 07:42:55PM +0200, Stefan Seyfried wrote:

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I understand that. However, leaving FACTORY users vulnerable is not a good option IMVHO.

Vulnerable to what specifically are you referring to here?

The general public reads "All users must upgrade" as "there are unspecified security bugs fixed".

That is correct as bugs are fixed, and if they are really "security" issues is unknown depending on your situation.

If that's the wrong interpretation, then -stable announcements should mention more precisely *why* users must upgrade.

We've been down this path before, and that's not going to happen, sorry. After over 5 years of doing this, the phrase "All users must upgrade" is what is going to be used as it says what needs to be said. greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org