On Tuesday, March 22, 2011 09:09:15 AM C wrote:

for example, some dropdown boxes don't work quite right

https://bugzilla.novell.com/query.cgi Hopefully that is search. One has to click on Product slider to see items, otherwise they are hidden. It actually works as long as you are not logged in. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 07:11:51PM +0530, Manu Gupta wrote:

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Can we have chromium as the default browser in the next release?

My reasons being

1. Faster

Depends on what numbers you are looking at, all somewhat believable measures right now show Chromium 10 and Firefox 4 pretty much head-to-head, one or the other faster on some, but never by really much. So this argument is a myth.

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2. Better support for HTML5 and CSS3

Completely wrong, actually there are some edges of the specs that Chromium just cuts off to gain some small amounts of speed on more common cases.

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3. Excellent browser rendering capabilities

No different from Firefox 4.

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4. Appstore is as good as firefox's and getting better

Wrong, as Chromium add-ons can by design not match the flexibility that Firefox add-ons have.

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The only issue I have is it creates multiple process

Coming to future Firefox versions as well due to stability, multiprocessing and possible security improvements it brings. So, all I'm seeing here is myths and Google marketing stories. Is there anything real as well other than the myth of Mozilla, one of the most open operations in this world, being dumb and Google, one of the more doubt-provoking open source producers, being the cool kid? Robert Kaiser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Because of their are two threads about a major change of a default program, I think it´s time to create an inofficial factory image with SUSE Studio. The idea is simple and maybe will help to serve the difference interests. * We create an inoffical factory image based on openSUSE 11.4 with KDE (KDE is the default desktop, the majority of our users uses KDE and we can also add GNOME as an alternative too. So, KDE wins ;) ) * We change the filesystem to btrfs (Read it on the btrfs default thread and will try it soon.) * We make Chromium default * We use the latest LibreOffice packages And then we´ll download it, test it and will see, what´s better. Of course some people have to agree, if a browser change will come really, but this is the first test to see, if it really works. By the way, It kind of hobby to me to create personal openSUSE images in SUSE Studio, so the whole thing will achieve something :-) --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Another point: LibreOffice 3.3.2 is released. Can I install now from the repos, or isn´t it ready packed yet? thanks -- Kim Leyendecker (kimleyendecker@hotmail.de) openSUSE Ambassador http://www.opensuse.org powered by openSUSE 11.4 | KDE 4.6 | x86_64 Notebook | usecase: Workstation openSUSE/Slashdot Profilname: openLHAG (OpenLHAG) Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

El 22/03/11 11:47, Markus Slopianka escribió:

Since Plasma Desktop is the default environment, defaulting to a browser that clashes with everything KDE (esp. KWin) does not make sense. If anything, Rekonq should become default.

The other environments shipped with openSUSE (GNOME, Xfce,...) could adopt Chromium, though.

That looks promising indeed ! quite fast though it does not support extensions yet. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 4:31 PM, Jeff Mahoney wrote:

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On 03/22/2011 09:41 AM, Manu Gupta wrote:

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Hi all,

Can we have chromium as the default browser in the next release?

My reasons being

1. Faster 2. Better support for HTML5 and CSS3 3. Excellent browser rendering capabilities 4. Appstore is as good as firefox's and getting better

The only issue I have is it creates multiple process

So does firefox now. It's a security feature.

My issue is that the interface is ugly as sin. I installed it for about 5 minutes and ran screaming back to Firefox.

I am not sure if its only me but Firefox seems to a better font rendering compared to Chromium. Regards, ismail -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

El 22/03/11 13:24, Felix Miata escribió:

as is excessively minimalist.

Which is probably one of its best features.

it's incapable of rendering web page objects life size except by accident (only on displays with an actual physical DPI of 96[1]).

Which is an irrelevant minor annoyance. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On 2011/03/22 16:36 (GMT-0300) Cristian Rodríguez composed:

Felix Miata wrote:

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as is excessively minimalist.

Which is probably one of its best features.

So "good" that the stripped Mozilla called Firefox isn't my default browser either. SeaMonkey, which needs no extensions for me to use, is. Chrome by default is more of a web application interface than a web browser. Some of us don't need an application interface to get the information they need off the web, but I, as well others who initiated their web lives using Netscape, do need certain traditional browsing tools to find and use that information as I see fit, and those tools must be usable, which means legible regardless of actual display DPI. Chromium's (and Webkit's) developers have yet to show any signs they know the meaning of resolution independence, much less its importance.

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it's incapable of rendering web page objects life size except by accident (only on displays with an actual physical DPI of 96[1]).

Which is an irrelevant minor annoyance.

To most I'm sure, but not to those who depend on accuracy, and their computer and operating system not lying to them about what they see. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

El 22/03/11 13:45, Kim Leyendecker escribió:

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So does firefox now. It's a security feature.

My issue is that the interface is ugly as sin. I installed it for about 5 minutes and ran screaming back to Firefox. I think so too. I´d used Chromium for some days and Firefox still rocks

Am 22.03.2011 16:31, schrieb Jeff Mahoney: the most. I think, Firefox 4.0 becomes stable and we should stay with it, because Firefox is still the _best_ open source browser you can get. By the way, there were any stories of spyware and Google Chrome & Chromium on some websites, if this is true, it would be _better_ to stay with Firefox.

What evidence do you have of that ? do you know that chromium is opensource and any sort of spyware will be pretty easy to remove ? ps: You email headers are also spying you, you must as well distrust them ;-P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

I am speaking about chromium and not google-chrome I agree with Ismail on the font rendering part. @Robert The firefox version on new 11.4 could not render gmail properly on my laptop Plus I do not say this as a cool kid and actually Firefox can be the cool kid with a multitude of features.. so no need to get marketing into this. And it was my opinion based on my usage. On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 10:24 PM, jdd wrote:

Le 22/03/2011 14:41, Manu Gupta a écrit :

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Hi all,

Can we have chromium as the default browser in the next release?

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why adopt google? I trust much more Mozilla than Google

jdd

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Le 22/03/2011 19:34, Cristian Rodríguez a écrit :

We are talking about chromium here, not google chrome, whoever you trust or not,for whatever paranoid reason is irrelevant.

I don't really see any difference. is the development of chromium completely disconnected from google chrome? and avoiding google is a reason as well as any other... jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgxog7_clip-l-ombre-et-la-lumiere-3-bad-pig... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGgv_ZFtV14 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 21:50:47 +0100 İsmail Dönmez wrote:

On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 9:40 PM, Stefan Seyfried wrote:

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AFAIK there is no real adblock / privacy filter for it.

Indeed there is no way to block elements before they are downloaded,

Exactly. Which defeats one of the purposes of an ad blocker: protecting your privacy. -- Stefan Seyfried "Dispatch war rocket Ajax to bring back his body!" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 15:29, Graham Anderson wrote:

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AFAIK there is no real adblock / privacy filter for it.

So much mis-information in this thread I don't know where to start, but this is a good place.

There are java script blockers, flash blockers, add blockers, social media tracking blockers... even Google specific blockers.

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Indeed there is no way to block elements before they are downloaded,

100% wrong.

The AdBlock for Chrome (the most likely extension you'd install to block ads) *used* to just hide the ads. As of version 2.0 of AdBlock prevents the ads from being downloaded... version 2.0 was released quite a while ago. Sadly the initial impression from the early 1.x releases are fixed firmly in the collective memory and most people still think that "there is no way to block elements before they are downloaded" (ie a LOT of people still think this is the case). C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 15:50, İsmail Dönmez wrote:

Hi;

On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 3:37 PM, C wrote:

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On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 15:29, Graham Anderson wrote:

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AFAIK there is no real adblock / privacy filter for it.

So much mis-information in this thread I don't know where to start, but this is a good place.

There are java script blockers, flash blockers, add blockers, social media tracking blockers... even Google specific blockers.

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Indeed there is no way to block elements before they are downloaded,

100% wrong.

The AdBlock for Chrome (the most likely extension you'd install to block ads) *used* to just hide the ads.  As of version 2.0 of AdBlock prevents the ads from being downloaded... version 2.0 was released quite a while ago.  Sadly the initial impression from the early 1.x releases are fixed firmly in the collective memory and most people still think that "there is no way to block elements before they are downloaded" (ie a LOT of people still think this is the case).

This is still the case, Adblock for Chrome uses a WebKit onload trick and it works for most ads but it won't work with e.g EFF's HTTPS Everywhere extension.

I assume you're referencing this bug report? http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=35897 Some ads do slip through the Chrome AdBlock... and in my experience, some ads still slip through the AdBlock Plus extension in Firefox... ie they are not perfect. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Also I noticed today that Chromium does not support accessibilty, so That is not even a good option ( yes I am backing out of my option) but a browser that does not support accessibilty can not be our default browser On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Andrew Joakimsen wrote:

On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 10:54, C wrote:

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Some ads do slip through the Chrome AdBlock... and in my experience, some ads still slip through the AdBlock Plus extension in Firefox... ie they are not perfect.

Yes, but the question lies is this a technical fault where some element matched an ad blocking rule, a fault in the rules? And if it's the former is the cause purely the browser?

I.e.: if the reason is only "someone hasn't written a decent ad blocker" I don't think that would be a valid reason to discredit the browser.

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Andrew Joakimsen schrieb:

With Chromium, Safari, Internet Explorer, etc, if you visit a website with an "invalid security certificate" the bypass is 1 click.

Which is a security problem by itself. No user should be able to override the security certificate unless (s)he knows exactly that this breaks every security assumption and is very probably an attack if it happens on a high-volume site. Robert Kaiser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Andrew Joakimsen schrieb:

On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 22:45, Robert Kaiser wrote:

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Andrew Joakimsen schrieb:

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With Chromium, Safari, Internet Explorer, etc, if you visit a website with an "invalid security certificate" the bypass is 1 click.

Which is a security problem by itself. No user should be able to override the security certificate unless (s)he knows exactly that this breaks every security assumption and is very probably an attack if it happens on a high-volume site.

No, because all of the browsers that I cited (except Internet Explorer) that do SSL warnings the right way make the warning very clear it's something out of the ordinary.

That doesn't matter as most people just click-through and don't read any text. That's why _any_ way to click through those warning is a security bug. (And nobody needs to remind me of the Comodo cert stuff, I read all about it on our internal Mozilla security group mailing list and I personally think the whole SSL system is flawed but we don't have anything better that is widely established in the website space.) Robert Kaiser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

El 23/03/11 23:45, Robert Kaiser escribió:

No user should be able to override the security certificate unless (s)he knows exactly that this breaks every security assumption and is very probably an attack if it happens on a high-volume site.

It doesnt really matter that much, certificate authorities are already issuing ilegit certificates, most recently affecting skype,gmail,live.com..etc... http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/advisory/2524375.mspx And, firefox accept certificates from the Chinese goverment.. uh ho. Talking about false sense of security here. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org