On Tuesday 12 November 2013, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:

Dne Út 12. listopadu 2013 11:36:41, Ruediger Meier napsal(a):

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Hi,

Does anybody know why mysql-workbench is not in openSUSE:13.1 repo? We have it in 12.3 and Factory.

cu, Rudi

Because nobody fixed it, and when we pinged nobody was working on it for 13.1.

How did that ping looked like?

It should be actually dropped from factory too, failing to build for ~6 months is quite a lot for leaf package.

It was fixed 2 months ago https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/200797 https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/203258 declined because of changelog policy ... cu, Rudi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 12 November 2013, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:

Dne Út 12. listopadu 2013 14:24:37, Ruediger Meier napsal(a):

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On Tuesday 12 November 2013, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:

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Because nobody fixed it, and when we pinged nobody was working on it for 13.1.

How did that ping looked like?

Dunno ask |miska|.

I mean would be nice to announce a list of dropped packages before final release. IMO dropping a package should happen actively not passive like this.

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It should be actually dropped from factory too, failing to build for ~6 months is quite a lot for leaf package.

It was fixed 2 months ago https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/200797 https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/203258 declined because of changelog policy ...

cu, Rudi

And? So it failed to even get to Factory.

If maitnainer won't make it up-par for Factory why should it be fixed for 13.1.

It is not my sole responsibility to babysit every submission we get to factory, as of now there is >100 rejected submissions which were not fixed. Maintainers need to realise that fixing the thing to build in devel project is not final mile. Having it fixed well enough for factory is what people should aim for.

Cheers

Tom

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On Tuesday 12 November 2013, Stephan Kulow wrote:

On 12.11.2013 14:39, Ruediger Meier wrote:

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On Tuesday 12 November 2013, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:

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Dne Út 12. listopadu 2013 14:24:37, Ruediger Meier napsal(a):

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On Tuesday 12 November 2013, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:

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Because nobody fixed it, and when we pinged nobody was working on it for 13.1.

How did that ping looked like?

Dunno ask |miska|.

I mean would be nice to announce a list of dropped packages before final release. IMO dropping a package should happen actively not passive like this.

IMO maintaining a package should happen actively not passively like this.

Wasn't it you who released a factory snapshot which does not build completely? You could have fixed that by looking for another maintainer or by filing a delete request. I don't really care about mysql-workbench but it's annoying to have randomly dropped and added packages. It's specially annoying for the upgrade scenario and on OBS if this packages is a BuildRequire for other packages. This is not a package maintenance problem but a factory maintenance problem. cu, Rudi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 12 November 2013 14.45:17 Michal Hrusecky wrote:

Tomáš Chvátal - 14:29 12.11.13 wrote:

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Dne Út 12. listopadu 2013 14:24:37, Ruediger Meier napsal(a):

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On Tuesday 12 November 2013, Tomáš Chvátal wrote:

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Because nobody fixed it, and when we pinged nobody was working on it for 13.1.

How did that ping looked like?

Dunno ask |miska|.

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It should be actually dropped from factory too, failing to build for ~6 months is quite a lot for leaf package.

It was fixed 2 months ago https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/200797 https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/203258 declined because of changelog policy ...

cu, Rudi

Though Bruno did a great job getting it up to date in server:database, there is still quite some stuff that needs to be polished to make it through and to make it actually usable. In general, Workbench is an ugly beast and getting it work at least as tit did in past is a hard work.

And as I was quite busy with other stuff, I noticed that it's failing only when it was too late to do all the radical changes to make it work (not to mention I didn't had a time to).

But as it doesn't have a real stable releases and every version is broken in different way, I actually think that having it only in server:database and only the latest version actually make quite some sense.

I can only agree on what Michal said. Ony 5x version would have never survive on 13.1 or factory. Then Mysql released a new version, but then we have to build a new lib used by it etc. 6.x is totally different, has to be reviewed etc. It's a pia to build ... For those who were trusting Workbench they should by curiosity have a look at the build log. Like Michal, I've been busy on stuff that I need more (like postgis & postgresql) On my side, I will certainly finish by dropping myself as packager of it. -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 12 November 2013 15.02:47 Claudio Freire wrote:

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Bruno Friedmann wrote:

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I can only agree on what Michal said. Ony 5x version would have never survive on 13.1 or factory. Then Mysql released a new version, but then we have to build a new lib used by it etc. 6.x is totally different, has to be reviewed etc. It's a pia to build ...

For those who were trusting Workbench they should by curiosity have a look at the build log.

Would you care to elaborate?

Quick summary, get a warning ( pointer conversion, etc ) for any line of compilation. -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 12 November 2013 23.40:04 Chuck Payne wrote:

Do you think it will be fix, I got developers asking me for it.

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Bruno Friedmann wrote:

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On Tuesday 12 November 2013 15.02:47 Claudio Freire wrote:

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On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Bruno Friedmann wrote:

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I can only agree on what Michal said. Ony 5x version would have never survive on 13.1 or factory. Then Mysql released a new version, but then we have to build a new lib used by it etc. 6.x is totally different, has to be reviewed etc. It's a pia to build ...

For those who were trusting Workbench they should by curiosity have a look at the build log.

Would you care to elaborate?

Quick summary, get a warning ( pointer conversion, etc ) for any line of compilation.

As you know everybody is free (welcomed) to blurp this package, and fix any issues. Michal or myself will accept any decent SR against it. :-) -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Claudio Freire - 11:26 13.11.13 wrote:

On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 2:17 PM, Bruno Friedmann wrote:

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On Tuesday 12 November 2013 15.02:47 Claudio Freire wrote:

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On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 1:47 PM, Bruno Friedmann wrote:

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I can only agree on what Michal said. Ony 5x version would have never survive on 13.1 or factory. Then Mysql released a new version, but then we have to build a new lib used by it etc. 6.x is totally different, has to be reviewed etc. It's a pia to build ...

For those who were trusting Workbench they should by curiosity have a look at the build log.

Would you care to elaborate?

Quick summary, get a warning ( pointer conversion, etc ) for any line of compilation.

TBF, not every developer cares about cleaning warnings, and warnings don't necessarily point out errors.

It could just be a case of whiny compiler on this particular style of code. Hard to tell without deeper inspection.

On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 4:17 AM, Bruno Friedmann wrote:

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Quick summary, get a warning ( pointer conversion, etc ) for any line of compilation.

As you know everybody is free (welcomed) to blurp this package, and fix any issues. Michal or myself will accept any decent SR against it.

:-)

I'd say warning cleanup is best done against upstream don't you think?

Imagine maintaining that patch.

Compilers warnings are only top of the iceberg. In general, Workbench bundles quite some libraries, sometimes snapshots from git, sometimes incompatibly patched. Building it takes ages and it's in general fragile. Keeping it only in server:database means that people can still find it, but they will have just the latest and hopefully at least somehow working version but wouldn't have false expectations from it. -- Michal HRUSECKY SUSE LINUX, s.r.o. openSUSE Team Lihovarska 1060/12 PGP 0xFED656F6 19000 Praha 9 mhrusecky[at]suse.cz Czech Republic http://michal.hrusecky.net http://www.suse.cz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Bruno Friedmann wrote:

On Wednesday 13 November 2013 14.42:20 Michal Hrusecky wrote:

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Compilers warnings are only top of the iceberg. In general, Workbench bundles quite some libraries, sometimes snapshots from git, sometimes incompatibly patched. Building it takes ages and it's in general fragile.

Numbers from last build 24099 warning line for 83935 total lines build on obs takes 9284s

Mostly due to memory and cpu restriction on obs (otherwise you crash the vm) Locally expect >20 minutes on i7 8cores 8GB ram & ssd lvm for the obs-builder

What a monster indeed. Well... I for one use it, albeit only 5% of its functionality. Maybe I can make sure that 5% works. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 1:11 PM, Bruno Friedmann wrote:

On Wednesday 13 November 2013 14.07:40 Claudio Freire wrote:

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On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 11:46 AM, Bruno Friedmann wrote:

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On Wednesday 13 November 2013 14.42:20 Michal Hrusecky wrote:

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Compilers warnings are only top of the iceberg. In general, Workbench bundles quite some libraries, sometimes snapshots from git, sometimes incompatibly patched. Building it takes ages and it's in general fragile.

Numbers from last build 24099 warning line for 83935 total lines build on obs takes 9284s

Mostly due to memory and cpu restriction on obs (otherwise you crash the vm) Locally expect >20 minutes on i7 8cores 8GB ram & ssd lvm for the obs-builder

What a monster indeed.

Well... I for one use it, albeit only 5% of its functionality. Maybe I can make sure that 5% works.

Tests of the server:database build are really welcomed buzilla will be your friend.

ps : please reply only to mailing list

I don't want to sound impatient (even though I am), but I would want less to let this fall through the cracks... https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/206812 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Quoting Ruediger Meier :

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It should be actually dropped from factory too, failing to build for ~6 months is quite a lot for leaf package.

It was fixed 2 months ago https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/200797 https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/203258 declined because of changelog policy ...

Being maintainer of a package means taking responsibility and following up on a decline... if needs be multiple times, until it's fixed. The package in it's current form must be assumed to not have a maintainer that cares. Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 12.11.2013 14:48, Ruediger Meier wrote:

On Tuesday 12 November 2013, Dominique Leuenberger a.k.a. Dimstar wrote:

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Quoting Ruediger Meier :

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It should be actually dropped from factory too, failing to build for ~6 months is quite a lot for leaf package.

It was fixed 2 months ago https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/200797 https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/203258 declined because of changelog policy ...

Being maintainer of a package means taking responsibility and following up on a decline... if needs be multiple times, until it's fixed.

Will the original submitter be informed about these auto-forwarded requests which are done by factory-maintainer?

The maintainer gets factory reminder mails about declined sources. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org