I'm trying to test Factory on my Acer Aspire 1551 netbook which has a BCM43225 wifi card. I installed milestone 3 from the KDE CD and was pleasantly surprised to see this new bcma module in the kernel seems to have replaced having to get the broadcom proprietary drivers (broadcom-wl package from packman). So using bmca I got the wifi working and did a zypper up. Rebooted and now I'm on M5 and its 3.0.0-4-desktop kernel doesn't seem to have the bmca module, whereas 3.0.0-2-desktop from M3 did. Any reason or is it just an oversight? Thanks Tim -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 17:11 +1000, "Basil Chupin" wrote:

On 02/09/11 16:19, Tim Edwards wrote:

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I'm trying to test Factory on my Acer Aspire 1551 netbook which has a BCM43225 wifi card. I installed milestone 3 from the KDE CD and was pleasantly surprised to see this new bcma module in the kernel seems to have replaced having to get the broadcom proprietary drivers (broadcom-wl package from packman).

So using bmca I got the wifi working and did a zypper up. Rebooted and now I'm on M5 and its 3.0.0-4-desktop kernel doesn't seem to have the bmca module, whereas 3.0.0-2-desktop from M3 did.

Any reason or is it just an oversight?

Thanks

Tim

*PLEASE*! for chrissake, do NOT high-jack a thread with your crap!

You want to know about your problem re a netbook and wifi card then start a new thread and leave this thread alone which is dealing with an important matter concerning java!

BC

Typical friendly response, no wonder this project is always crying out for more testers. How about you get over yourself and learn some social skills, having an email appear in the wrong thread in your mail client is really the end of the world isn't it? FWIW it was the webmail I'm using, I'm not trying to hijack your thread. Issue closed anyway, there's now a 3.0.0-4.1-desktop which looks like it has bcma ('bmca' in my email was a typo). Tim -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 01:13 +1000, "Basil Chupin" wrote:

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Typical friendly response,

I was being polite if you really want to know.

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no wonder this project is always crying out for more testers. How about you get over yourself and learn some social skills, having an email appear in the wrong thread in your mail client is really the end of the world isn't it?

My mail client threads mail correctly - always has.

Re social skills: post your questions to the correct threads and not hi-jack an existing thread with your brain-dead "webmail", or whatever, you called it.

Look at the details in the Header(s)s of (a) message(s) and you will see things which you have never seen before I will guarantee.

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FWIW it was the webmail I'm using, I'm not trying to hijack your thread.

It's not "my" thread.

The the problem lies at your end and not mine.

You were replying to some post with an ID of <1314941695.28132.2.camel@linux-vpc2.site> and which has nothing to do with this thread.

Where did you find the post to which your "webmail" thingie was replying?

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Issue closed anyway, there's now a 3.0.0-4.1-desktop which looks like it has bcma ('bmca' in my email was a typo).

That's nice to know.

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Tim

BC

Here we go again. I know how list threading works, I know I made a mistake - guess what, it happens! A polite response would've been something like "Please be careful with posting, you've used the message ID of another thread and that breaks threading", and would've got a polite response. You took it upon yourself to show off your poor social skills instead. If I came on here regularly and stuffed up the threading you'd be entitled to have a go at me, but I don't. This was my first post in a long while and I made one little mistake. The amount of grief I've got for that is disproportionate, just let it go. Honestly, no wonder so few people actively participate in projects like this. Tim -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Am 03.09.2011 17:37, schrieb Basil Chupin:

On 03/09/11 01:29, Tim Edwards wrote:

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On Sat, 03 Sep 2011 01:13 +1000, "Basil Chupin" wrote:

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Typical friendly response, I was being polite if you really want to know.

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no wonder this project is always crying out for more testers. How about you get over yourself and learn some social skills, having an email appear in the wrong thread in your mail client is really the end of the world isn't it? My mail client threads mail correctly - always has.

Re social skills: post your questions to the correct threads and not hi-jack an existing thread with your brain-dead "webmail", or whatever, you called it.

Look at the details in the Header(s)s of (a) message(s) and you will see things which you have never seen before I will guarantee.

...

FWIW it was the webmail I'm using, I'm not trying to hijack your thread. It's not "my" thread.

The the problem lies at your end and not mine.

You were replying to some post with an ID of <1314941695.28132.2.camel@linux-vpc2.site> and which has nothing to do with this thread.

Where did you find the post to which your "webmail" thingie was replying?

...

Issue closed anyway, there's now a 3.0.0-4.1-desktop which looks like it has bcma ('bmca' in my email was a typo). That's nice to know.

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Tim BC Here we go again. I know how list threading works, I know I made a mistake - guess what, it happens!

A polite response would've been something like "Please be careful with posting, you've used the message ID of another thread and that breaks threading", and would've got a polite response. You took it upon yourself to show off your poor social skills instead.

If I came on here regularly and stuffed up the threading you'd be entitled to have a go at me, but I don't. This was my first post in a long while and I made one little mistake. The amount of grief I've got for that is disproportionate, just let it go. Honestly, no wonder so few people actively participate in projects like this.

Tim

That's your story and you are sticking to it, right? OK, fine.

My use of the message ID does in no way explain why the Subject heading of your post is totally different to the Subject heading of this thread, does it?

Think about it.

BC

Actually I was rushing to get to work, tried clicking on the opensuse-factory@opensuse.org in the webmail client. This didn't work so I unthinkingly hit reply. Stupid I know, but at least it seems to have ruined your day. Believe what you want though, I don't care. Tim -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On 02/09/11 17:10, Peter Czanik wrote:

Hello,

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Granted, it does cause some problems for people. And we should address it and try to find what works and what doesn't. But that doesn't change the fact that the old Oracle Java is now proprietary and ties our hands in being able to use it. I sometimes have to use different IP consoles, all of them are available

On 09/02/2011 07:34 AM, Bryen M. Yunashko wrote: through Java applets. They work with Sun java, but none of them work with OpenJDK. So replacing OpenJDK with Sun Java is one of the first steps after installation. If bundling Sun/Oracle binaries is not possible any more, some scripts or a dummy rpm (to avoid dependency problems) would be still very welcome to do the magic of update alternatives and keep Sun Java easy to use. Even if the actual binaries need to be downloaded by hand... Bye, CzP

This is disturbing news to say the least. But didn't I read/hear a while back that there is something in the pipeline which will replace the (now) Oracle Java (following Sun being bought by Oracle)? Look, I admit that I may be totally wrong but this is what keeps coming up in the back of my mind - for better or for worse.... BC -- Bob Hope's wife: "Where would like to be buried when you die?" Bob Hope : "Why don't you surprise me!" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Friday, September 02, 2011 06:34:39 AM Joaquin Sosa wrote:

I don't see the link to reference 1.

See: http://oracle.com/java

The issue is OpenJDK does not properly run most, if any, Java applets. This is a serious issue that should have been addressed in the roadmap, not as a sidenote to a milestone release.

how could it be addressed in any roadmap if Oracle without warning removes their license? See: http://jdk-distros.java.net/ http://robilad.livejournal.com/90792.html and the reaction from Debian: sylvestre.ledru.info/blog/sylvestre/2011/08/26/sun_java6_packages_removed_from_debian_u Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE aj@{suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 11:43 -0300, "Cristian Rodríguez" wrote:

On 02/09/11 01:34, Joaquin Sosa wrote:

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I don't see the link to reference 1.

The issue is OpenJDK does not properly run most, if any, Java applets. This is a serious issue that should have been addressed in the roadmap, not as a sidenote to a milestone release.

If it is not clear enough already... Oracle retired the license that permits redistribution, hence even if we want to keep it, it is not legally possible.

Complains about missing functionality should be directed to Oracle... much luck with that :-|

I'd suggest directing those complaints to the OpenJDK devs as bug reports. OpenJDK has for years felt 95% there to being feature complete with Oracle Java, it's a good time to close that gap. Tim -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Per Jessen wrote:

Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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Up to now, openSUSE users had the choice of using openJDK (GPL with classpath exceptions) or Sun/Oracle's Java. The Sun/Oracle Java was licensed under the "Distributor's License for Java (DLJ)", which allowed Linux distributors to package and redistribute Sun/Oracle Java. Recently, Oracle announced [1] that openJDK 7 is the new official reference implementation for Java SE7. They no longer see the need for the DLJ licensed Java implementation and so have retired that license.

Just thinking out loud - might it be an option to keep distributing the older Java or was the license for that changed too?

I think the problem is that it is no longer getting security fixes. -Todd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Friday, September 02, 2011 09:47:04 AM Per Jessen wrote:

Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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Up to now, openSUSE users had the choice of using openJDK (GPL with classpath exceptions) or Sun/Oracle's Java. The Sun/Oracle Java was licensed under the "Distributor's License for Java (DLJ)", which allowed Linux distributors to package and redistribute Sun/Oracle Java. Recently, Oracle announced [1] that openJDK 7 is the new official reference implementation for Java SE7. They no longer see the need for the DLJ licensed Java implementation and so have retired that license.

Just thinking out loud - might it be an option to keep distributing the older Java or was the license for that changed too?

As I said, we keep the older java in the Buildservice, so you can use it. The license was not revoked for already shipped packages. But we cannot provide any fixes, especially security fixes, for it - and thus it does not make sense to have them as part of the openSUSE distribution, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE aj@{suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Am Freitag, 2. September 2011, 22:07:02 schrieb Sid Boyce:

On 02/09/11 08:47, Per Jessen wrote:

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Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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Up to now, openSUSE users had the choice of using openJDK (GPL with classpath exceptions) or Sun/Oracle's Java. The Sun/Oracle Java was licensed under the "Distributor's License for Java (DLJ)", which allowed Linux distributors to package and redistribute Sun/Oracle Java. Recently, Oracle announced [1] that openJDK 7 is the new official reference implementation for Java SE7. They no longer see the need for the DLJ licensed Java implementation and so have retired that license.

Just thinking out loud - might it be an option to keep distributing the older Java or was the license for that changed too?

If it's possible, a good idea as I for one have apps that depend on the older version. Regards Sid.

You don't want an unmaintained version of java around your core distribution. (Let the lawyers check if it is even legal to ship the old thing in a new release first, please). If you really need it, the oracle site is just a link or possibly a wrapper script away. -- Ralf Lang Linux Consultant / Developer B1 Systems GmbH Osterfeldstraße 7 / 85088 Vohburg / http://www.b1-systems.de GF: Ralph Dehner / Unternehmenssitz: Vohburg / AG: Ingolstadt,HRB 3537 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org