[opensuse-factory] Status of reiser4
Reiser4 was dropped from 10.1. What about 10.2 As namesys has a lot of (non technical) problems with some members of the kernel-list, they need support from the community to get reiser4 really adopted. I think Suse should still be willing to support new stuff, not as Red Hat. Reiser4 is now quite stable (not mission critical, but stable). For 4.1beta the compression plugin will give reiser4 double speed with half diskspace. Even the support of xattr seems now to be possible. So I would like to see reiser4 back in Suse -- at least with kmp-packages, if not included in the installer. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Marcel Hilzinger Linux New Media AG Süskindstr. 4 D-81929 München Tel: +49 (89) 99 34 11 0 Fax: +49 (89) 99 34 11 99 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory-help@opensuse.org
* Marcel Hilzinger (mhilzinger@linuxnewmedia.de) [20060803 10:56]:
As namesys has a lot of (non technical) problems with some members of the kernel-list, they need support from the community to get reiser4 really adopted.
No, its not the communities task to bridge gaps that namesys opened. AFAICT, Novell/SuSE will not maintain a fs that's not part of the mainline kernel. Philipp -- Anything whose specification is too complicated to explain easily probably needs to be redesigned. David Abrahams on boost --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory-help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag, 3. August 2006 16:18 schrieb Philipp Thomas:
* Marcel Hilzinger (mhilzinger@linuxnewmedia.de) [20060803 10:56]:
As namesys has a lot of (non technical) problems with some members of the kernel-list, they need support from the community to get reiser4 really adopted.
No, its not the communities task to bridge gaps that namesys opened. AFAICT, Novell/SuSE will not maintain a fs that's not part of the mainline kernel. Perhaps you forgot/don't know, how ReiserFS got included in the kernel...
It's not about 100% inclusion, but Suse could at least build official kmp-packages and reiser4progs RPMs for each kernel as neccessary. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Marcel Hilzinger Linux New Media AG Süskindstr. 4 D-81929 München Tel: +49 (89) 99 34 11 0 Fax: +49 (89) 99 34 11 99 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory-help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Marcel Hilzinger wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 3. August 2006 16:18 schrieb Philipp Thomas:
* Marcel Hilzinger (mhilzinger@linuxnewmedia.de) [20060803 10:56]:
As namesys has a lot of (non technical) problems with some members of the kernel-list, they need support from the community to get reiser4 really adopted.
No, its not the communities task to bridge gaps that namesys opened. AFAICT, Novell/SuSE will not maintain a fs that's not part of the mainline kernel.
Perhaps you forgot/don't know, how ReiserFS got included in the kernel...
It's not about 100% inclusion, but Suse could at least build official kmp-packages and reiser4progs RPMs for each kernel as neccessary.
"official" means supported, so I'd rather say "unofficial" (unsupported)
KMP builds in the Build Service, for those who want to test (and don't
have critical data on their disks ;)).
cheers
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* Marcel Hilzinger (mhilzinger@linuxnewmedia.de) [20060803 17:03]:
Perhaps you forgot/don't know, how ReiserFS got included in the kernel...
Now being very nearly 7 years with R&D, I know perfectly well how reiserfs got included. But you learn from experience and dealing with Hans Reiser is not very easy.
It's not about 100% inclusion, but Suse could at least build official kmp-packages and reiser4progs RPMs for each kernel as neccessary.
Building kmp-packages is primarily namesys task, not Novell/SUSEs. And official would also mean full support, which we can't offer. Philipp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory-help@opensuse.org
As namesys has a lot of (non technical) problems with some members of the kernel-list, they need support from the community to get reiser4 really adopted.
No, its not the communities task to bridge gaps that namesys opened.
Could it be instead that some kernel developers have personal problems with namesys? I mean, how else would you completely ignore truely innovative technology when it's handed to you on a silver platter for free... Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory-help@opensuse.org
Hi, On Fri, 4 Aug 2006, Volker Kuhlmann wrote:
As namesys has a lot of (non technical) problems with some members of the kernel-list, they need support from the community to get reiser4 really adopted.
No, its not the communities task to bridge gaps that namesys opened.
Could it be instead that some kernel developers have personal problems with namesys? I mean, how else would you completely ignore truely innovative technology when it's handed to you on a silver platter for free...
What is the task of Chris Mason at SUSE currently? Is he not allowed to continue his work? Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory-help@opensuse.org
* Volker Kuhlmann (list0570@paradise.net.nz) [20060804 00:33]:
I mean, how else would you completely ignore truely innovative technology when it's handed to you on a silver platter for free...
It wasn't ignored completely, if you followed the discussions on lkml. But AFAIR, there where quite a few issues with the code that folks like viro wanted namesys to change. Philipp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory-help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Aug 03, 2006 at 10:55:28AM +0200, Marcel Hilzinger wrote:
Reiser4 was dropped from 10.1. What about 10.2
As namesys has a lot of (non technical) problems with some members of the kernel-list, they need support from the community to get reiser4 really adopted. I think Suse should still be willing to support new stuff, not as Red Hat.
Reiser4 is now quite stable (not mission critical, but stable). For 4.1beta the compression plugin will give reiser4 double speed with half diskspace. Even the support of xattr seems now to be possible.
So I would like to see reiser4 back in Suse -- at least with kmp-packages, if not included in the installer.
Feel free to add some for the buildservice for testing... Ciao, Marcus --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory-help@opensuse.org
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