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ianseeks

19 Jun 2016 19 Jun '16

09:59

Hi Has this list gone tits up ? Not had any emails for days Regards Ian -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

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Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar

19 Jun 19 Jun

10:08

On Sun, 2016-06-19 at 10:59 +0100, ianseeks wrote:

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Hi

Has this list gone tits up ? Not had any emails for days

The same could probably be asked without profanity - and looking into the webarchive, there have been daily mails: https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2016-06/date2.html Cheers, Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

ianseeks

10:34

On Sunday, 19 June 2016 12:08:39 BST Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar wrote:

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On Sun, 2016-06-19 at 10:59 +0100, ianseeks wrote:

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Hi

Has this list gone tits up ? Not had any emails for days

The same could probably be asked without profanity - Apologies if you found the humour offensive, its an old joke saying from www.theregister.com when something goes wrong web wise it gets called "titsup.com" but i dropped the ".com" part.

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and looking into the webarchive, there have been daily mails: https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2016-06/date2.html I was referring to the opensuse.org list which has as its last email on 17-06-2016 at 12:28 according to its archive https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2016-06/date3.html

Cheers, Dominique

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Carlos E. R.

11:48

On 2016-06-19 12:34, ianseeks wrote:

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On Sunday, 19 June 2016 12:08:39 BST Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar wrote:

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I was referring to the opensuse.org list which has as its last email on 17-06-2016 at 12:28 according to its archive https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2016-06/date3.html

Same here. Has someone sent a test post there? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

Richard Brown

11:51

Let's stop this thread now guys If there is a problem with any mailinglist, the correct procedure is to contact the mailinglist owner, not to start threads on other lists. The list owner details are at the bottom of every mail on that list On 19 June 2016 at 13:48, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2016-06-19 12:34, ianseeks wrote:

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On Sunday, 19 June 2016 12:08:39 BST Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar wrote:

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I was referring to the opensuse.org list which has as its last email on 17-06-2016 at 12:28 according to its archive https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2016-06/date3.html

Same here.

Has someone sent a test post there?

-- Cheers / Saludos,

Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

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Carlos E. R.

11:54

On 2016-06-19 13:51, Richard Brown wrote:

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Let's stop this thread now guys

If there is a problem with any mailinglist, the correct procedure is to contact the mailinglist owner, not to start threads on other lists.

Sorry, but we do not know yet if there is a problem, or just low traffic. I'm not going to disturb him yet ;-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)

Henne Vogelsang

20 Jun 20 Jun

10:03

Hey, On 19.06.2016 11:59, ianseeks wrote:

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Has this list gone tits up?

Next time think about your choice of words on an openSUSE mailing list. I do not tolerate sexist comments. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

ianseeks

15:58

On Monday, 20 June 2016 12:03:44 BST Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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Hey,

On 19.06.2016 11:59, ianseeks wrote:

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Has this list gone tits up?

Next time think about your choice of words on an openSUSE mailing list. I do not tolerate sexist comments.

Henne

Sorry about that but its a term i stole from "theregister.com" thats been used for a long time when something has collapsed. (earliest use on their website i could find was in the year 2000) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Graham P Davis

18:21

On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 16:58:35 +0100 ianseeks wrote:

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On Monday, 20 June 2016 12:03:44 BST Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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Hey,

On 19.06.2016 11:59, ianseeks wrote:

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Has this list gone tits up?

Next time think about your choice of words on an openSUSE mailing list. I do not tolerate sexist comments.

Henne

Sorry about that but its a term i stole from "theregister.com" thats been used for a long time when something has collapsed. (earliest use on their website i could find was in the year 2000)

I've known and used the phrase for many more years than that and assumed it to be wartime RAF slang. The Phrase Finder hints that I might be correct and that it is an alternative to "belly up". Both mean that you're flat on your back, perhaps dead, and apply to males as well as females. http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/385050.html Other sources suggest it might be an acronym: Total Inability To Support Usual Performance. Can't say that I'm madly keen on this one. -- Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. openSUSE 13.2 (64-bit); KDE 4.14.9; AMD Phenom II X2 550 Processor; Kernel: 3.16.7; Video: nVidia GeForce 210 (Driver: nVidia); Sound: ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Thomas Langkamp

21 Jun 21 Jun

05:18

Am 20.06.2016 um 20:21 schrieb Graham P Davis:

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On Mon, 20 Jun 2016 16:58:35 +0100 ianseeks wrote:

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On Monday, 20 June 2016 12:03:44 BST Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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Hey,

On 19.06.2016 11:59, ianseeks wrote:

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Has this list gone tits up?

Next time think about your choice of words on an openSUSE mailing list. I do not tolerate sexist comments.

Henne

Sorry about that but its a term i stole from "theregister.com" thats been used for a long time when something has collapsed. (earliest use on their website i could find was in the year 2000)

I've known and used the phrase for many more years than that and assumed it to be wartime RAF slang. The Phrase Finder hints that I might be correct and that it is an alternative to "belly up". Both mean that you're flat on your back, perhaps dead, and apply to males as well as females. http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/385050.html

Other sources suggest it might be an acronym: Total Inability To Support Usual Performance. Can't say that I'm madly keen on this one.

For how long a phrase was used is no excuse to stop thinking about what words you are actually using. I could come up with a long list of nowadays very unappropriate phrases that have been used for a very long time. Just my 2 cents, tomme -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Patrick Shanahan

20 Jun 20 Jun

18:44

* ianseeks [01-01-70 12:34]:

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On Monday, 20 June 2016 12:03:44 BST Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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Hey,

On 19.06.2016 11:59, ianseeks wrote:

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Has this list gone tits up?

Next time think about your choice of words on an openSUSE mailing list. I do not tolerate sexist comments.

Henne

Sorry about that but its a term i stole from "theregister.com" thats been used for a long time when something has collapsed. (earliest use on their website i could find was in the year 2000)

Come on. It's not about where it came from but the use here. And not debatable. Smoke, clouds, fud.... -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Henne Vogelsang

21 Jun 21 Jun

09:28

Hey, On 20.06.2016 17:58, ianseeks wrote:

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On Monday, 20 June 2016 12:03:44 BST Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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On 19.06.2016 11:59, ianseeks wrote:

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Has this list gone tits up?

Next time think about your choice of words on an openSUSE mailing list. I do not tolerate sexist comments.

Sorry about that but its a term i stole from "theregister.com"

I don't care where it comes from. You don't use it on our lists. Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

ianseeks

11:09

On Tuesday, 21 June 2016 11:28:55 BST Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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Hey,

On 20.06.2016 17:58, ianseeks wrote:

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On Monday, 20 June 2016 12:03:44 BST Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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On 19.06.2016 11:59, ianseeks wrote:

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Has this list gone tits up?

Next time think about your choice of words on an openSUSE mailing list. I do not tolerate sexist comments.

Its not sexist, if i had made the comment towards someone then yes, it would then agree.

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Sorry about that but its a term i stole from "theregister.com"

The first 3 words of this sentence were an apology for those who were "offended".

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I don't care where it comes from. You don't use it on our lists.

Henne

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Sergey Kondakov

06:17

On 20.06.2016 15:03, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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Hey,

On 19.06.2016 11:59, ianseeks wrote:

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Has this list gone tits up?

Next time think about your choice of words on an openSUSE mailing list. I do not tolerate sexist comments.

Henne

On 21.06.2016 10:18, Thomas Langkamp wrote:

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or how long a phrase was used is no excuse to stop thinking about what words you are actually using. I could come up with a long list of nowadays very unappropriate phrases that have been used for a very long time. Just my 2 cents, tomme

On 20.06.2016 23:44, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Come on. It's not about where it came from but the use here. And not debatable. Smoke, clouds, fud....

I don't know why I even read that thread but you know what ? Personally, I'm more disgusted by all that anti-tit chauvinism going around by the help off white-knighting Internet hypocrites. For me, that type of special treatment for women or any active "justice"-seeking in a name of perfectly self-capable social groups in general is infinitely more degrading. In itself its a type of behaviour where one group, "the warriors", puts itself above others, even above "the victims" it supposedly defends. And that's where the idea of self-granted authority to "correct" someone else's behaviour comes which nowadays goes so far that even basic constitutional rights get stomped upon. Fascism with a friendly smile. But that's eternally crusading rotten western "civilization" for you.

Henne Vogelsang

09:37

Hey, On 21.06.2016 08:17, Sergey Kondakov wrote:

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On 20.06.2016 15:03, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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On 19.06.2016 11:59, ianseeks wrote:

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Has this list gone tits up?

I do not tolerate sexist comments.

Fascism with a friendly smile.

Our guiding principles[1] state "We don't tolerate social discrimination and aim at creating an environment where people feel accepted and safe from offense." If you're not happy with that you are wrong. I wont debate this any further. Our lists, our rules. Henne [1] https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Guiding_principles -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Per Jessen

10:50

Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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Hey,

On 21.06.2016 08:17, Sergey Kondakov wrote:

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On 20.06.2016 15:03, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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On 19.06.2016 11:59, ianseeks wrote:

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Has this list gone tits up?

I do not tolerate sexist comments.

Fascism with a friendly smile.

Our guiding principles[1] state

"We don't tolerate social discrimination and aim at creating an environment where people feel accepted and safe from offense."

If you're not happy with that you are wrong. I wont debate this any further. Our lists, our rules.

Henne, you're making an a... of yourself. You are presumably not a English native speaker?, so you may not appreciate that there is nothing sexist nor discriminatory or derogatory in the expression used by ianseeks. As for "our lists, our rules", you seem to be applying _your_ interpretation of _our_ rules. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (20.6°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

ellanios82

11:01

On 06/21/2016 01:50 PM, Per Jessen wrote:

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Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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Hey,

On 21.06.2016 08:17, Sergey Kondakov wrote:

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On 20.06.2016 15:03, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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On 19.06.2016 11:59, ianseeks wrote:

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Has this list gone tits up? I do not tolerate sexist comments. Fascism with a friendly smile. Our guiding principles[1] state

"We don't tolerate social discrimination and aim at creating an environment where people feel accepted and safe from offense."

If you're not happy with that you are wrong. I wont debate this any further. Our lists, our rules. Henne, you're making an a... of yourself. You are presumably not a English native speaker?, so you may not appreciate that there is nothing sexist nor discriminatory or derogatory in the expression used by ianseeks. As for "our lists, our rules", you seem to be applying _your_ interpretation of _our_ rules.

- as an English native speaker : i agree : this is not offensive language : it just means "Croaked" . . . "Died" ....... regards -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Henne Vogelsang

12:04

Hey, On 21.06.2016 12:50, Per Jessen wrote:

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you seem to be applying _your_ interpretation of _our_ rules.

Which is the perfect description of my job as mailing list admin :-) This thread is closed now. If you feel the need to discuss this any further do it somewhere else. Thanks in advance Henne -- Henne Vogelsang http://www.opensuse.org Everybody has a plan, until they get hit. - Mike Tyson -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

ianseeks

11:16

On Tuesday, 21 June 2016 11:37:10 BST Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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Hey,

On 21.06.2016 08:17, Sergey Kondakov wrote:

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On 20.06.2016 15:03, Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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On 19.06.2016 11:59, ianseeks wrote:

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Has this list gone tits up?

I do not tolerate sexist comments.

Fascism with a friendly smile.

Our guiding principles[1] state

"We don't tolerate social discrimination and aim at creating an environment where people feel accepted and safe from offense."

People "take" offence, no-one gives it. And what i said does not fall into that category you outlined.

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If you're not happy with that you are wrong. I wont debate this any further. Our lists, our rules.

Thats fine but i think we have misunderstanding of what it means. If it was deemed to be sexist then the theregister.com would probably be in trouble.

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Henne

I will comment no more on this matter either.

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[1] https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Guiding_principles

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Per Jessen

06:20

Henne Vogelsang wrote:

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Hey,

On 19.06.2016 11:59, ianseeks wrote:

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Has this list gone tits up?

Next time think about your choice of words on an openSUSE mailing list. I do not tolerate sexist comments.

It isn't a sexist comment, it's perfectly common English phrase, albeit somewhat vulgar. "belly up" would have been a better choice. (fish go belly up when they die). http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/go+tits+up Please, let's not go all puritanical in the style of the openSUSE fora. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (15.6°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

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Carlos E. R.
Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar
ellanios82
Graham P Davis
Henne Vogelsang
ianseeks
Patrick Shanahan
Per Jessen
Richard Brown
Sergey Kondakov
Thomas Langkamp