On Thursday, February 28, 2013 11:23:08 AM Stephan Kulow wrote:

On 28.02.2013 10:16, Alexis "Agemen" wrote:

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Hi everyone !

Serge just pointed out on the french IRC channel that links to the 64 bits ISOs may be broken no software.opensuse.org for the RC2. Going on the website, development version, whatever the ISO we choose, we seem to obtain only i586 or i686 files (according to the names at least). Is there any known problem with the build system ? Are the 64 bits images not generated yet ? Should I report a bug ?

Thanks in advance for the hint you could give :-)

That happens if you try to download ISOs that aren't announced.

Greetings, Stephan

It was announced on mailing list for the English version at least. I am in the process of downloading it now (2.9 GB so far) http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/12.3-RC2/iso/ Russ -- openSUSE 12.2(Linux 3.4.28-2.20-desktop x86_64)|KDE 4.10.00 "release 550"|Intel core2duo 2.5 MHZ,|8GB DDR3|GeForce 8400GS(NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-310.32) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

* Graham P Davis [02-28-13 11:53]:

Good luck with trying to fit it on to a DVD!

your dvds must be a different size than mine

K3B told me to insert an empty DVD so installed Brasero to get some decent diagnostics and, as has happened before in 12.3, was told that the iso was too big for the disk.

dvds will hold ~4.7 gb and the isos are only ~941mb are you using cds instead of dvds? -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

* Hans Witvliet [02-28-13 13:09]:

-----Original Message----- From: Patrick Shanahan Reply-to: opensuse-factory@opensuse.org To: opensuse-factory@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse-factory] 64 bits isos for the RC2 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 12:38:19 -0500

* Graham P Davis [02-28-13 11:53]:

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Good luck with trying to fit it on to a DVD!

your dvds must be a different size than mine

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K3B told me to insert an empty DVD so installed Brasero to get some decent diagnostics and, as has happened before in 12.3, was told that the iso was too big for the disk.

dvds will hold ~4.7 gb and the isos are only ~941mb are you using cds instead of dvds?

You're joking? CD's wont hold 941MB... Not even with overburning.

I made *no* suggestion to _use_ a cd. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

-----Original Message----- From: Joerg Schilling To: suse@a-domani.nl, opensuse-factory@opensuse.org Subject: Re: [opensuse-factory] 64 bits isos for the RC2 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 10:44:12 +0100 Hans Witvliet wrote:

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K3B told me to insert an empty DVD so installed Brasero to get some decent diagnostics and, as has happened before in 12.3, was told that the iso was too big for the disk.

dvds will hold ~4.7 gb and the isos are only ~941mb are you using cds instead of dvds?

You're joking? CD's wont hold 941MB... Not even with overburning.

Well, there are 100 min CDs but these will not play on all players. The maximum that is Red Book compatible is 90 min which is 404850 sectors 829132800 Bytes, so you are right... Regarding k3b: If you have cdrecord installed, it should be able to deal with the media sizes. If you have only the problem called "wodim", there is no code to read the media sizes for DVDs as the DVD driver in wodim is a joke. -----Original Message----- It is more a problem about proper naming than the sizes. With regards to the "size" issue, i point pack to a thread about a year ago, when we were discussing the size of install-media, live-media, resque-media and what they should contain-or not. With regards to the naming-issue, it is beyound silly the publish/name an image as "**CD.iso" when it will never fits of and cdrom. Same is true for DVD-images. I should expect that if the results grows larger than normally available media, the corresponding build script should abort in "FAILURE" status. Otherwise, just build for USB-sticks or Blu-ray's ;-) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 2013-02-28 19:21 (GMT) Graham P Davis composed:

I reckon the 4.7Gb is an advertising gimmick to make it seem they hold more than they do. The figure is achieved by counting in 1000s instead of 1024s.

There's no gimmickry involved. 1000 and 4.7GB are decimal values, powers of 10, numbers most people use and understand better than binary, octal or hex. 4.7GB is approximately equivalent to 4.4GiB, which is a power of 2. http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 01/03/13 17:51, Graham P Davis wrote:

On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 16:30:51 -0500 Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2013-02-28 19:21 (GMT) Graham P Davis composed:

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I reckon the 4.7Gb is an advertising gimmick to make it seem they hold more than they do. The figure is achieved by counting in 1000s instead of 1024s. There's no gimmickry involved. 1000 and 4.7GB are decimal values, powers of 10, numbers most people use and understand better than binary, octal or hex. 4.7GB is approximately equivalent to 4.4GiB, which is a power of 2.

http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_prefix I wasn't being entirely serious in my remark; perhaps I should have added a smiley to make that obvious.

If people understand powers of 10 better than octal, shouldn't a byte be changed to 10 bits instead of 8? ;-)

Oooooooh, now you are getting *really* "deep".... BC -- Using openSUSE 12.2 x86_64 KDE 4.10.00 & kernel 3.8.0-2 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 El 2013-02-28 a las 19:21 -0000, Graham P Davis escribió:

On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 12:38:19 -0500 Patrick Shanahan <> wrote:

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* Graham P Davis [02-28-13 11:53]:

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Good luck with trying to fit it on to a DVD!

your dvds must be a different size than mine

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K3B told me to insert an empty DVD so installed Brasero to get some decent diagnostics and, as has happened before in 12.3, was told that the iso was too big for the disk.

dvds will hold ~4.7 gb and the isos are only ~941mb are you using cds instead of dvds?

The 64 bit DVD iso image is 4706009088, which is bigger than 4.7 GB.

I reckon the 4.7Gb is an advertising gimmick to make it seem they hold more than they do. The figure is achieved by counting in 1000s instead of 1024s.

Please be aware that the standard unit GB now is measured in multiples of 10, whereas there is an also standard unit named GiB wich is instead 2^30. And by "standard" above I mean bodies such as the IEEE, ISO, or SI. 1 KB is no longer 1024 bytes. - -- Cheers Carlos E. R. (from 11.4, with Evergreen, x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlEv8RsACgkQja8UbcUWM1zFvwD8Duk/WVm1I+h+iD3KPBvMBu1E tRBkFYrJ5TO0r1LWG5MA/RFGDd8oeiAqn/bNkBXXv40eghcLstDH4N7+Ja9DXKoI =as1p -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Am 28.02.2013 19:10, schrieb Viljo Mustonen:

Alexis "Agemen" kirjoitti torstai, 28. helmikuuta 2013 11:16:19:

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Hi everyone !

Serge just pointed out on the french IRC channel that links to the 64 bits ISOs may be broken no software.opensuse.org for the RC2. Going on the website, development version, whatever the ISO we choose, we seem to obtain only i586 or i686 files (according to the names at least). Is there any known problem with the build system ? Are the 64 bits images not generated yet ? Should I report a bug ?

Also openSUSE-12.3-DVD-Build0094-x86_64.iso needs enable over burning.

Damn. Just a couple of bytes ;( Looks like the openqa check for isosize needs adaption, because it was green for the DVD. DVD-R has 4,707,319,808 bytes, DVD+R has 4,700,372,992 bytes Our DVD has 4706009088 bytes, so it only fits on DVD-R not on DVD+R (what an irony :) So I need to remove another 6MB Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Viljo Mustonen wrote:

Also openSUSE-12.3-DVD-Build0094-x86_64.iso needs enable over burning.

There is no overburning with DVDs s~A -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org