-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2010-04-27 15:42, Stephan Kulow wrote:

Am Dienstag 27 April 2010 schrieb Luis Medinas:

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Ter, 2010-04-27 às 15:18 +0200, Stephan Kulow escreveu:

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It's installable on x86_64 ?

No idea, you can test the NET isos

I will not download an image if I don't know it "should" work, it is a waste of time I don't have (plus download time). Netinstall? I don't have the bandwidth. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkvXRPkACgkQU92UU+smfQXkiwCePJNpraS9rwkmY7c/QGIpW5Vm EnsAn2SpA0K+FzTNx0WG69PPiK+26bbF =qMcP -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2010-04-28 01:26, Graham Anderson wrote:

On Tuesday 27 April 2010 22:11:37 Carlos E. R. wrote:

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I will not download an image if I don't know it "should" work

If you feel this way, then do not download until 11.3 GM release.

That's not it. I have participated in factory testing for years, I'm not new at this. (Hint: do you notice the "from" address above?) I participate and I report many bugs, providing as much useful info as I can, doing the tests they ask of me, spending many hours... But I refuse to waste my time. I will not attempt a 20 hours download if I don't have a chance of success. I will not waste hours attempting an install known to fail, which will destroy the partition (ie, the existing factory install). - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Elessar)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkvXdvcACgkQU92UU+smfQUR9QCeI2LIetxaSpTngHTwMWUrTm9d ewsAnRC3kVMGgGy5Wx4MXRA03sPF2U/j =3AsJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 27 April 2010 22:11:37 Carlos E. R. wrote:

On 2010-04-27 15:42, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Am Dienstag 27 April 2010 schrieb Luis Medinas:

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Ter, 2010-04-27 às 15:18 +0200, Stephan Kulow escreveu:

It's installable on x86_64 ?

No idea, you can test the NET isos

I will not download an image if I don't know it "should" work, it is a waste of time I don't have (plus download time). Netinstall? I don't have the bandwidth.

I'm just testing the current x86-64 DVD - looks fine so far, (openSUSE-DVD-x86_64-Build0576-Media.iso) in kvm, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} Twitter: jaegerandi | Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2010-04-28 09:51, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

On Tuesday 27 April 2010 22:11:37 Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2010-04-27 15:42, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Am Dienstag 27 April 2010 schrieb Luis Medinas:

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Ter, 2010-04-27 às 15:18 +0200, Stephan Kulow escreveu:

It's installable on x86_64 ?

No idea, you can test the NET isos

I will not download an image if I don't know it "should" work, it is a waste of time I don't have (plus download time). Netinstall? I don't have the bandwidth.

I'm just testing the current x86-64 DVD - looks fine so far, (openSUSE-DVD-x86_64-Build0576-Media.iso) in kvm,

Thanks. Then I'll try it. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.2 x86_64 "Emerald" GM (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.12 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iF0EAREIAAYFAkvYRjcACgkQja8UbcUWM1x39wD49fQ19ilttzGHxyqiK9zMfX4N nS5p3lfPFC6vPQwz0AD/VPdreq4f/OzXRRrJnrwqSDRV8Azhjjdv9vQCukXBfkc= =SnEj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 3:56 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2010-04-28 16:29, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2010-04-28 09:51, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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On Tuesday 27 April 2010 22:11:37 Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2010-04-27 15:42, Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Am Dienstag 27 April 2010 schrieb Luis Medinas:

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Ter, 2010-04-27 às 15:18 +0200, Stephan Kulow escreveu:

It's installable on x86_64 ?

No idea, you can test the NET isos

I will not download an image if I don't know it "should" work, it is a waste of time I don't have (plus download time). Netinstall? I don't have the bandwidth.

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I'm just testing the current  x86-64 DVD - looks fine so far, (openSUSE-DVD-x86_64-Build0576-Media.iso) in kvm,

Thanks. Then I'll try it.

No, I will not :-(

I have an Intel graphic chipset in the laptop I use for testing, a GM45. It has been reported that support for Intel graphic chipsets is totally broken. Before knowing this I found that s2ram crashes the machine, and s2disk refuses to run. I have read the reports I could find, and it appears that there is no hope at all of solving the Intel graphic chipset problems any time soon... thus count me out.

This is very unfortunate :-((

Carlos, I don't know if it will help, but when I filed a bug against the Intel KMS implementation in 2.6.34-rc* https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=594542 I was advised to disable the new Intel KMS driver: "Maybe you should switch back to UMS to get a stable system again, i.e. boot with i915.modeset=0." So, AIUI the new Intel KMS driver is very badly behaving, but you can disable it and use the old framebuffer driver. Sounds like there needs to be a factory Intel KMS wiki page describing workarounds. I suspect its different for different chipsets, etc. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On 2010/04/29 23:51 (GMT+0200) Guido Berhoerster composed:

Greg Freemyer composed:

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So, AIUI the new Intel KMS driver is very badly behaving, but you can disable it and use the old framebuffer driver.

Have you tested this? I thought the 2.10 Intel Xorg driver does not work without KMS.

I think not working without KMS is only for the newest chips. I'd expect i8xx & i9xx chips to be in the old and KMS not required category. -- "Suppos [sic] a nation in some distant region, should take the Bible for their only law book, and every member should regulate his conduct by the precepts there exhibited. . . . What a Eutopa, What a paradise would this region be!" John Adams, 2nd US President Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 04:06:29PM -0400, Greg Freemyer wrote:

I don't know if it will help, but when I filed a bug against the Intel KMS implementation in 2.6.34-rc*

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=594542

I was advised to disable the new Intel KMS driver:

"Maybe you should switch back to UMS to get a stable system again, i.e. boot with i915.modeset=0."

Don't know why I've written that, since intel no longer supports UMS.

So, AIUI the new Intel KMS driver is very badly behaving, but you can disable it and use the old framebuffer driver.

Sure, that possible. BTW, we've patched the intel driver. So if KMS is disabled on an intel machine, X silently falls back to fbdev.

Sounds like there needs to be a factory Intel KMS wiki page describing workarounds. I suspect its different for different chipsets, etc.

I requested a section for the Release Notes already (Bug #595569). Stefan Public Key available ------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Dirsch (Res. & Dev.) SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Tel: 0911-740 53 0 Maxfeldstraße 5 FAX: 0911-740 53 479 D-90409 Nürnberg http://www.suse.de Germany ----------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 09:39:29AM +0200, Guido Berhoerster wrote:

* Stefan Dirsch [2010-04-30 02:26]:

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On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 04:06:29PM -0400, Greg Freemyer wrote:

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I don't know if it will help, but when I filed a bug against the Intel KMS implementation in 2.6.34-rc*

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=594542

I was advised to disable the new Intel KMS driver:

"Maybe you should switch back to UMS to get a stable system again, i.e. boot with i915.modeset=0."

Don't know why I've written that, since intel no longer supports UMS.

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So, AIUI the new Intel KMS driver is very badly behaving, but you can disable it and use the old framebuffer driver.

Sure, that possible. BTW, we've patched the intel driver. So if KMS is disabled on an intel machine, X silently falls back to fbdev.

Would it be possible to make the old 2.9.1 driver available on 11.3 (at least as a fallback for those who have problems with the newer driver)? Does 2.9.1 even work with the newer kernel and X server?

Try it. Stefan Public Key available ------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Dirsch (Res. & Dev.) SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Tel: 0911-740 53 0 Maxfeldstraße 5 FAX: 0911-740 53 479 D-90409 Nürnberg http://www.suse.de Germany ----------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, May 07, 2010 at 03:55:51PM +0200, Guido Berhoerster wrote:

* Stefan Dirsch [2010-04-30 11:39]:

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Try it.

I have made a xorg-x11-driver-video with the intel driver reverted to 2.9.1, it required just a minor fix to build against current Xorg. I've tested it and it works flawlessly, with KMS disabled it can work around the memory corruption after hibernation bug (https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13811). For those who want to test it, the package is in home:gberh.

Can we make this available for 11.3 and if so, how should it be packaged?

It would need to be a seperate package and the driver been renamed (the file, but also some internal structures). Stefan Public Key available ------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Dirsch (Res. & Dev.) SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Tel: 0911-740 53 0 Maxfeldstraße 5 FAX: 0911-740 53 479 D-90409 Nürnberg http://www.suse.de Germany ----------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, May 07, 2010 at 04:22:17PM +0200, Guido Berhoerster wrote:

* Stefan Dirsch [2010-05-07 16:05]:

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It would need to be a seperate package and the driver been renamed (the file, but also some internal structures).

I can't do that I have no expertise with Xorg internals,

It's not that hard. I'm attaching a patch I did in the past for radeon driver. For intel it should be much more easier.

what about a confliciting package with the other drivers removed? It's messy

Exactly, it's too messy. For the seperate package I would start with -radeonhd or -nouveau package and adjust it accordingly. Stefan Public Key available ------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Dirsch (Res. & Dev.) SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Tel: 0911-740 53 0 Maxfeldstraße 5 FAX: 0911-740 53 479 D-90409 Nürnberg http://www.suse.de Germany ----------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -----------------------------------------------------------------

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 11:18:00AM +0200, Raymond Wooninck wrote:

On Friday 30 April 2010 02:26:27 Stefan Dirsch wrote:

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So, AIUI the new Intel KMS driver is very badly behaving, but you can disable it and use the old framebuffer driver.

Sure, that possible. BTW, we've patched the intel driver. So if KMS is disabled on an intel machine, X silently falls back to fbdev.

Would it be possible to build the Xserver and intel drivers from 11.2 and then to use the 2.6.34 kernel with the i915.modeset=0 ?

You want to dowgrade the complete X stack? Feel free to try.

As far as I understood with the fbdev driver, desktop effects (Kwin, Compiz, etc) are not possible. For a lot of people this could mean that 11.3 is not for them. I don't think that we should offer owners of an intel graphic card a crippled desktop.

Maybe there are also users, for whom the driver works? Of course you won't see any feedback by them, since they are just happy. So everybody thinks the driver is complete crap. Best regards, Stefan Public Key available ------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Dirsch (Res. & Dev.) SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Tel: 0911-740 53 0 Maxfeldstraße 5 FAX: 0911-740 53 479 D-90409 Nürnberg http://www.suse.de Germany ----------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 02:26:27 +0200 Stefan Dirsch wrote:

Sure, that possible. BTW, we've patched the intel driver. So if KMS is disabled on an intel machine, X silently falls back to fbdev.

But unless your machine really hangs up when loading the i915 driver with KMS enabled, I'd really recommend using at least the i915 KMS framebuffer and then using the fbdev X server on top of that (like discussed in another branch of this mailthread), since i915 then does e.g. suspend handling etc, which will probably work better than leaving that to vesafb and s2ram userspace. Not even speaking of strange laptop panel resolutions etc. Good luck ;-) seife -- Stefan Seyfried "Any ideas, John?" "Well, surrounding them's out." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 21:56:38 +0200 "Carlos E. R." wrote:

I have an Intel graphic chipset in the laptop I use for testing, a GM45. It has been reported that support for Intel graphic chipsets is totally broken. Before knowing this I found that s2ram crashes

"totally broken" is maybe a bit too hard. Well. It is as bad as 11.2, but not much worse, at least not with i915.powersave=0 boot parameter, and with 3d effects disabled. Ok, it logs me out from time to time, but I learned coping with that by "save early, save often". And somethimes (now ;) the X server is surviving more than one day! ;) susi:~ # ps -C Xorg -o comm,etime COMMAND ELAPSED Xorg 1-00:28:50 The problem is, that nobody will fix it for 11.2, but we still have a chance of getting it fixed for 11.3, if there are good bug reports.

the machine, and s2disk refuses to run. I have read the reports I could find, and it appears that there is no hope at all of solving the Intel graphic chipset problems any time soon... thus count me out.

This is very unfortunate :-((

s2ram works fine for me on a ThinkPad X200s and s2disk worked, too, the two times I tried it during the last weeks (always with latest FACTORY). I would be interested in hearing about your s2ram / s2disk problems, so if you could point me to the bug reports (sorry if you did already, then I overlooked it probably), so that I could try helping to fix them. Come on! Try it! ;-) Have fun anyway, seife -- Stefan Seyfried "Any ideas, John?" "Well, surrounding them's out." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 27 April 2010 15:36:37 Luis Medinas wrote:

Ter, 2010-04-27 às 15:18 +0200, Stephan Kulow escreveu:

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Hi,

Unfortunately we have some pretty bad dependency issue in the KDE stack, so we had to get in another round. But it should still be possible to have it all done till tomorrow.

It's installable on x86_64 ?

Here are my experiences with openSUSE-KDE-LiveCD-x86_64-Build0577-Media.iso: The installer fails to set keyboad to 'german with dead keys' when language remains US english (setxkmap does the trick) The installer fails to mount LVM logical volumes on an encrypted physical volume after setting up the (custom LVM) partition layout and thus fails to install root image. The installer finishes just fine with a custom standard partition layout (no LVM no RAID). The yast 'Network Settings' module won't start and KNetworkManager is broke. I'd say the latter relates to some kernel issue as the WLAN LED doesn't blink and switching the WLAN button on my laptop changes nothing. Maybe some issue with the ath9k kernel driver. X just freezed in the middle of the 'cover flow' KWin effect :-) -- Sascha Peilicke http://saschpe.wordpress.com

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 22:14:10 +0200 Sascha Peilicke wrote:

X just freezed in the middle of the 'cover flow' KWin effect :-)

Intel graphics? The intel driver is so horribly broken, it's not funny anymore. I'm seriously considering running fbdev X server on top of i915's framebuffer. -- Stefan Seyfried "Any ideas, John?" "Well, surrounding them's out." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 11:47:15 +0200 Raymond Wooninck wrote:

On Thursday 29 April 2010 10:52:58 Stefan Seyfried wrote:

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Intel graphics? The intel driver is so horribly broken, it's not funny anymore. I'm seriously considering running fbdev X server on top of i915's framebuffer.

I have the same effect and indeed it's not funny to have to reboot your PC every time.

I don't have to reboot, it just logs me out a few times every day. https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=596473 and then there's https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=597078, but I have not seen that since I disabled desktop effects.

I am looking for solutions, but can you explain what you mean with running fbdev X server on top of the i915 framebuffer ?

Well, i915 with KMS does create a "normal" framebuffer device. It should be possible to run the old and simple fbdev X server. I'll have to find out what I have to put into xorg.conf to achieve that, though. And of course you'll lose all acceleration, xrandr etc.

What Intel graphics card do you have ? I have a 965GM.

"GM45" or 00:02.0 0300: 8086:2a42 (rev 07) Oh - and for the flickering screen, there's https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=596844 ;-) -- Stefan Seyfried "Any ideas, John?" "Well, surrounding them's out." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

While we're at horribly borken intel drivers, does anyone here suffer from https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=13811 ? The symptom is basically that every few hibernates there is memory corruption resulting all new processes to segfault. -- Guido Berhoerster -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 12:32:02PM +0200, Stefan Seyfried wrote:

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I am looking for solutions, but can you explain what you mean with running fbdev X server on top of the i915 framebuffer ?

Well, i915 with KMS does create a "normal" framebuffer device. It should be possible to run the old and simple fbdev X server. I'll have to find out what I have to put into xorg.conf to achieve that, though.

From my mind:

cat > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/00-device.conf << EOF Section "Device" Identifier "fbdev" Driver "fbdev" EndSection EOF

Oh - and for the flickering screen, there's https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=596844 ;-)

Yes, that's an entertaining one. ;-) Best regards, Stefan Public Key available ------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Dirsch (Res. & Dev.) SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Tel: 0911-740 53 0 Maxfeldstraße 5 FAX: 0911-740 53 479 D-90409 Nürnberg http://www.suse.de Germany ----------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) ----------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Torsdag den 29. april 2010 11:47:15 skrev Raymond Wooninck:

On Thursday 29 April 2010 10:52:58 Stefan Seyfried wrote:

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On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 22:14:10 +0200

Sascha Peilicke wrote:

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X just freezed in the middle of the 'cover flow' KWin effect :-)

Intel graphics? The intel driver is so horribly broken, it's not funny anymore. I'm seriously considering running fbdev X server on top of i915's framebuffer.

I have the same effect and indeed it's not funny to have to reboot your PC every time. I am looking for solutions, but can you explain what you mean with running fbdev X server on top of the i915 framebuffer ?

What Intel graphics card do you have ? I have a 965GM.

I have 945. On my laptop with an installation of build0575, effects were disabled and kde wouldn't let me enable them, didn't do anything to troubleshoot it yet though. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 12:26:44 +0200 Sascha Peilicke wrote:

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X just freezed in the middle of the 'cover flow' KWin effect :-) Yes, Intel GMA 4500MHD.

See the bugreports I mentioned in the other mail. -- Stefan Seyfried "Any ideas, John?" "Well, surrounding them's out." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Onsdag den 28. april 2010 10:08:18 skrev Stephan Kulow:

The images are to almost done, I have tested DVD-x86_64 and GNOME.i586. The first installs, the second boots. The live cds appeared on http://download.opensuse.org/factory/iso as build 575, please test.

KDE i686 installed via live usb working nicely. Only significant problem detected so far is that the livecd user continues to exist on the installed system. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On 04/28/2010 04:08 AM, Stephan Kulow wrote:

Am Dienstag 27 April 2010 schrieb Stephan Kulow:

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Hi,

Unfortunately we have some pretty bad dependency issue in the KDE stack, so we had to get in another round. But it should still be possible to have it all done till tomorrow.

The images are to almost done, I have tested DVD-x86_64 and GNOME.i586. The first installs, the second boots. The live cds appeared on http://download.opensuse.org/factory/iso as build 575, please test.

Greetings, Stephan

Live cd kde 5856 booted 0k installation went flawlessly first configuration went as expected ( for the first time since ?? I didn't have to use a nomodeset command ) Yast Network Settings seems to be broken -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org