On 1 August 2011 10:48, Stephan Kulow wrote:

Am Montag, 1. August 2011 schrieb Vincent Untz:

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This is my last week before summer vacation, so I would like to start early with the planning. The milstone is scheduled for 11th and I said from the start that I don't have time there and I think only Vincent light heartly volunteered - but DS is at the same time, so this will be challenging.

Right, I'll unfortunately be at the Desktop Summit (leaving this Friday), which likely means not enough time to work on a release -- especially the first one I'd do ;-) On top of that, I'll then completely disappear on Friday 12th, so I wouldn't be able to handle anything that would happen late.

Maybe we can simply publish whatever we have, like you suggested, and clearly label it more like a snapshot than a solid milestone? Getting something to publish is work too. Point of proof: the last kde live cd is from july 22, the last GNOME from 26th.

Reading this, my general feeling was, "What are the users meant to test?". What is the status of the "Most Annoying Bugs" from M3? Many of these were commonly hit and a "poor" follow up to M3 could de-motivate testers, right at the time they're most needed. If these bugs in particular are not sorted in Factory repo - I question if it's wise to push out another CD especially if there's practical difficulties producing it due to need to cover Coolo's leading role : o both LiveCD-i686 variants do not boot from USB - https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=703673 o KDE NetworkManager (plasmoid) applet sees no network devices - https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=702461 o Nvidia cards requiring nomodeset to boot, Nouveau driver failing - https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=707110 Kernel 3.0, KDE 4.7, Mesa 7.11 are now released, with FireFox 7 going to beta on Aug 16th. With the Sept 22nd designated beta. Could a late August Milestone be more realistic, and contain more of the software that's expected in 12.1 final? Still leaving enough weeks to have bug's resolved for the beta? That's just my personal opinion, but I think there's a danger of forum tester "fatigue", if a Milestone is pushed out without it fixing common install bugs in the last Milestone and there's not a shaping up of release towards 12.1. Regards Rob -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On 1 August 2011 14:33, Stephan Kulow wrote:

Am Montag, 1. August 2011 schrieb Rob Davies:

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With the Sept 22nd designated beta.   Could a late August Milestone be more realistic, and contain more of the software that's expected in 12.1 final?  Still leaving enough weeks to have bug's resolved for the beta?

That's milestone 5. we're talking about milestone 4 here and of course it won't be perfect.

Well bluntly if M4 is expected to have those issues to, it's a reason for the drop option that's not to do with Holidays & Desktop Summit meetings. Most bug fixes and package upgrades could be got by update as Kim suggested.

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Or maybe just update the repositories and suggest the users to do an update?

That sounds like a very good alternative to a full milestone during the summer. Having working live cds should be something we care for unrelated to milestones though - and I really shouldn't be the only one who does ;(

Very true! Rob -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Am Montag, 1. August 2011 schrieb Kim Leyendecker:

Am 01.08.2011 11:43, schrieb Vincent Untz:

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Right, I'll unfortunately be at the Desktop Summit (leaving this Friday), which likely means not enough time to work on a release -- especially the first one I'd do;-) On top of that, I'll then completely disappear on Friday 12th, so I wouldn't be able to handle anything that would happen late.

Maybe we can simply publish whatever we have, like you suggested, and clearly label it more like a snapshot than a solid milestone?

Or maybe just update the repositories and suggest the users to do an update?

That sounds like a very good alternative to a full milestone during the summer. Having working live cds should be something we care for unrelated to milestones though - and I really shouldn't be the only one who does ;( Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Mon, 01 Aug 2011 15:05:19 +0100, Stuart Tanner wrote:

Stephan Kulow wrote:

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Am 01.08.2011 11:43, schrieb Vincent Untz:

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Right, I'll unfortunately be at the Desktop Summit (leaving this Friday), which likely means not enough time to work on a release -- especially the first one I'd do;-) On top of that, I'll then completely disappear on Friday 12th, so I wouldn't be able to handle anything

Am Montag, 1. August 2011 schrieb Kim Leyendecker: that

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would happen late.

Maybe we can simply publish whatever we have, like you suggested, and clearly label it more like a snapshot than a solid milestone?

Or maybe just update the repositories and suggest the users to do an update?

That sounds like a very good alternative to a full milestone during the

summer. Having working live cds should be something we care for unrelated to milestones though - and I really shouldn't be the only one who does ;(

Greetings, Stephan

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Hello Is it posible having working live cds results in http://openqa.opensuse.org/results/?sort=-7&hours=96&match= Perhaps skip 12.1 milestone 4 formal release just rely on working live/net cds until 12.1 milestone 5 release time-slot. Cheers Glenn -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org