Re: [opensuse-factory] XFS Boot Problem
On Sat, 2008-11-29 at 18:43 +0000, peter nikolic wrote:
On Saturday 29 November 2008, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Saturday, 2008-11-29 at 14:45 -0000, peter nikolic wrote:
Had to use Reiserfs for the boot partition on the laptop here running XFS on /
would not boot using XFS boot partition.
Using reiser for the /boot partition is usually a mistake, because a lot of space is used for the journal. For a small partition, about 100 MiB, it is better to use plain ext2 (not 3).
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
Hi .
Yep i realise that but i have this thing about the EXT series file systems i have never had anything bot complete hassle from them so i would rather waste a little space and use a filesystem i know and trust .
I only used XFS to test it out and play with a friend of mine wants an MythTV system building shortly backend and 4 frontends the main storage will be XFS .
Pete .
-- SuSE Linux 10.3-Alpha3. (Linux is like a wigwam - no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside.)
Can I ask, what filesystems are supported, ext2, ext3, reiserfs, vfat? Anything else? Q -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday, 2008-11-30 at 09:30 +1300, Quentin Jackson wrote:
Can I ask, what filesystems are supported, ext2, ext3, reiserfs, vfat? Anything else?
For the booting partition, it appears that only ext2/3 and reiserfs. JFS stopped being supported a few years ago, and now XFS. It seems. I have no definitive info. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkkxqMEACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VHsQCfTJ2fEWHbsTasAWRtGBg5ucGF utAAn3EO5MH/Iy2U8CuuQkot95eBPCXS =oi5X -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Sunday, 2008-11-30 at 09:30 +1300, Quentin Jackson wrote:
Can I ask, what filesystems are supported, ext2, ext3, reiserfs, vfat? Anything else?
For the booting partition, it appears that only ext2/3 and reiserfs. JFS stopped being supported a few years ago, and now XFS.
It seems. I have no definitive info.
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
Worth a read I think - filesystems on Linux are not done yet, so we may have to look some way into the future before we have parity with the leaders of the pack such as Solaris' ZFS which is just not on for Linux. What we have still works well and improving. http://www.kev009.com/wp/2008/11/on-file-systems/ Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 29 of November 2008 21:40:31 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Sunday, 2008-11-30 at 09:30 +1300, Quentin Jackson wrote:
Can I ask, what filesystems are supported, ext2, ext3, reiserfs, vfat? Anything else?
For the booting partition, it appears that only ext2/3 and reiserfs. JFS stopped being supported a few years ago, and now XFS.
Yes, exactly. For /boot partitoin only ext2 (recommended), ext3 and reiserfs are supported. Jiri
It seems. I have no definitive info.
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
-- Regards, Jiri Srain YaST Team Leader --------------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX, s.r.o. e-mail: jsrain@suse.cz Lihovarska 1060/12 tel: +420 284 028 959 190 00 Praha 9 fax: +420 284 028 951 Czech Republic http://www.suse.cz
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, 2008-12-01 at 10:07 +0100, Jiri Srain wrote:
On Saturday 29 of November 2008 21:40:31 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Sunday, 2008-11-30 at 09:30 +1300, Quentin Jackson wrote:
Can I ask, what filesystems are supported, ext2, ext3, reiserfs, vfat? Anything else?
For the booting partition, it appears that only ext2/3 and reiserfs. JFS stopped being supported a few years ago, and now XFS.
Yes, exactly. For /boot partitoin only ext2 (recommended), ext3 and reiserfs are supported.
Careful: not only /boot partition, but also / partition when /boot directory is in the same partition as /. Ie, the booting partition. So, we are returning to the old situation, when a separate /boot partition is again needed. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkkz5pIACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VEKACfdADtLXMM4+c397YrV/F3mweZ 5PgAnjwXJHoqF1h2SAXQSi+vTYzjItSL =4EFB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Monday, 2008-12-01 at 10:07 +0100, Jiri Srain wrote:
On Saturday 29 of November 2008 21:40:31 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Sunday, 2008-11-30 at 09:30 +1300, Quentin Jackson wrote:
Can I ask, what filesystems are supported, ext2, ext3, reiserfs, vfat? Anything else?
For the booting partition, it appears that only ext2/3 and reiserfs. JFS stopped being supported a few years ago, and now XFS.
Yes, exactly. For /boot partitoin only ext2 (recommended), ext3 and reiserfs are supported.
Careful: not only /boot partition, but also / partition when /boot directory is in the same partition as /. Ie, the booting partition.
So, we are returning to the old situation, when a separate /boot partition is again needed.
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
Quoting an often repeated statement of an associate, "somebody's just having a laugh, ain't they?" - my laptop (ext3) just told me on a reboot that it has gone 71 days without a check and it will eventually boot up at some time in the not too distant future. I must have misread the intention or value of "tune2fs -c -1 /dev/sda1". A pretty ugly picture to present to anyone who urgently expected a boot up time to be reasonable. Imagine someone, especially your boss, having to stand leaning over you while you do nothing productive for between 20 minutes and half an hour or longer or however long a piece of string is supposed to be. I hope it can be seen from such instances why people are seeking refuge in XFS/JFS, ext3 is not real-world some of the time -- 65% check after 12-15 minutes of unproductive time. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 01 of December 2008 15:30:46 Sid Boyce wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Monday, 2008-12-01 at 10:07 +0100, Jiri Srain wrote:
On Saturday 29 of November 2008 21:40:31 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Sunday, 2008-11-30 at 09:30 +1300, Quentin Jackson wrote:
Can I ask, what filesystems are supported, ext2, ext3, reiserfs, vfat? Anything else?
For the booting partition, it appears that only ext2/3 and reiserfs. JFS stopped being supported a few years ago, and now XFS.
Yes, exactly. For /boot partitoin only ext2 (recommended), ext3 and reiserfs are supported.
Careful: not only /boot partition, but also / partition when /boot directory is in the same partition as /. Ie, the booting partition.
Yes, I tend to mean what you describe when saying /boot partition, due to how many times I said that.
So, we are returning to the old situation, when a separate /boot partition is again needed.
Either, or having ext2/ext3/reiserfs root
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
Quoting an often repeated statement of an associate, "somebody's just having a laugh, ain't they?" - my laptop (ext3) just told me on a reboot that it has gone 71 days without a check and it will eventually boot up at some time in the not too distant future. I must have misread the intention or value of "tune2fs -c -1 /dev/sda1". A pretty ugly picture to present to anyone who urgently expected a boot up time to be reasonable. Imagine someone, especially your boss, having to stand leaning over you while you do nothing productive for between 20 minutes and half an hour or longer or however long a piece of string is supposed to be. I hope it can be seen from such instances why people are seeking refuge in XFS/JFS, ext3 is not real-world some of the time -- 65% check after 12-15 minutes of unproductive time.
I cannot really comment on ext2/ext3, however, this issue can be very easily solved by separate /boot partition, which is fsck-ed very quickly due to its size, and root/data on XFS/JFS/whatever. Jiri -- Regards, Jiri Srain YaST Team Leader --------------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX, s.r.o. e-mail: jsrain@suse.cz Lihovarska 1060/12 tel: +420 284 028 959 190 00 Praha 9 fax: +420 284 028 951 Czech Republic http://www.suse.cz
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Monday, 2008-12-01 at 16:03 +0100, Jiri Srain wrote:
Careful: not only /boot partition, but also / partition when /boot directory is in the same partition as /. Ie, the booting partition.
Yes, I tend to mean what you describe when saying /boot partition, due to how many times I said that.
So, we are returning to the old situation, when a separate /boot partition is again needed.
Either, or having ext2/ext3/reiserfs root
Of course.
I hope it can be seen from such instances why people are seeking refuge in XFS/JFS, ext3 is not real-world some of the time -- 65% check after 12-15 minutes of unproductive time.
I cannot really comment on ext2/ext3, however, this issue can be very easily solved by separate /boot partition, which is fsck-ed very quickly due to its size, and root/data on XFS/JFS/whatever.
Perhaps we could fill an enhancement request so that the boot.rootfsck and boot.localfs ask the user wether it is convenient to run the fsck or we leave it for the next boot. I think that a periodic fsck is not a bad thing, but sometimes it could be convenient to postpone. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkk0Ds8ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9WyNwCdHrWAXlXHNhKfDxyJUMBGNmgB XfYAn2bR71Or+ppBJtMPzRMjRc71Piyl =C5QF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 2008/12/01 14:30 (GMT) Sid Boyce composed:
Quoting an often repeated statement of an associate, "somebody's just having a laugh, ain't they?" - my laptop (ext3) just told me on a reboot that it has gone 71 days without a check and it will eventually boot up at some time in the not too distant future. I must have misread the intention or value of "tune2fs -c -1 /dev/sda1".
You only did half the tune2fs job, instead do: tune2fs -c0 -i0 /dev/sda1 I don't disable entirely, instead I would do: tune2fs -c0 -i12m /dev/sda1 -- "Love is not easily angered. Love does not demand its own way." 1 Corinthians 13:5 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Felix Miata wrote:
On 2008/12/01 14:30 (GMT) Sid Boyce composed:
Quoting an often repeated statement of an associate, "somebody's just having a laugh, ain't they?" - my laptop (ext3) just told me on a reboot that it has gone 71 days without a check and it will eventually boot up at some time in the not too distant future. I must have misread the intention or value of "tune2fs -c -1 /dev/sda1".
That should have read "tune2fs -c0 -1 /dev/sda1".
You only did half the tune2fs job, instead do: tune2fs -c0 -i0 /dev/sda1
I don't disable entirely, instead I would do: tune2fs -c0 -i12m /dev/sda1
OK, I shall do that. From what I understood from the manpage, "tune2fs -c0 -1 /dev/sda1" and "tune2fs -c0 -i0 /dev/sda1" were equivalents. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Sid Boyce wrote:
Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Monday, 2008-12-01 at 10:07 +0100, Jiri Srain wrote:
On Saturday 29 of November 2008 21:40:31 Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Sunday, 2008-11-30 at 09:30 +1300, Quentin Jackson wrote:
Can I ask, what filesystems are supported, ext2, ext3, reiserfs, vfat? Anything else?
For the booting partition, it appears that only ext2/3 and reiserfs. JFS stopped being supported a few years ago, and now XFS.
Yes, exactly. For /boot partitoin only ext2 (recommended), ext3 and reiserfs are supported.
Careful: not only /boot partition, but also / partition when /boot directory is in the same partition as /. Ie, the booting partition.
So, we are returning to the old situation, when a separate /boot partition is again needed.
-- Cheers, Carlos E. R.
Quoting an often repeated statement of an associate, "somebody's just having a laugh, ain't they?" - my laptop (ext3) just told me on a reboot that it has gone 71 days without a check and it will eventually boot up at some time in the not too distant future. I must have misread the intention or value of "tune2fs -c -1 /dev/sda1". A pretty ugly picture to present to anyone who urgently expected a boot up time to be reasonable. Imagine someone, especially your boss, having to stand leaning over you while you do nothing productive for between 20 minutes and half an hour or longer or however long a piece of string is supposed to be. I hope it can be seen from such instances why people are seeking refuge in XFS/JFS, ext3 is not real-world some of the time -- 65% check after 12-15 minutes of unproductive time. Regards Sid.
I'm using the opportunity to link my notes about this check forced thingy: http://waxborg.servepics.com/howto/prevent-ext3-check-forced I got so tired of this when my 3 disks got checked (2 TB) No I do the checking manually now and then when it suits me best. -- Vahis -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
participants (6)
-
Carlos E. R. -
Felix Miata -
Jiri Srain -
Quentin Jackson -
Sid Boyce -
Vahis