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Peter Czanik wrote:

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Hello, I work a lot with machines with limited amount of RAM, like:

I will add to this.

I don't remember if the yast install console (there is one available, don't remember the F-number) allow partitioning, but the rescue mode allows it.

however, with 10.2, when you _have_ made a swap partition, the automatic partitoner/installer is confused and don't allow to use it by default for the final install (it uses it for yast)

practically, what I did:

create a swap, mkswap, launch install... ok when come to partitioning (free disk), I was said that 3 partitions where needed: * my original swap one, * a new yast proposed swap partition, * the / partition.

I didn't too much look at the details (alas), go to expert mode, delete the new swap and / yast proposal, don't touch my swap one, and add all the rest as /

after that, yast complain it can't mount the /dev/hda1 partition on the "swap" mount point... may be my original swap part was reaffected by yast, but in a funny way :-).

I had only to go back to partitionner, assign and format my swap as swap, the rest as / and all goes well.

but, here, there are two potential problems:

* a pre-existing swap should be used as swap :-)) by default * why was a "swap" mount point ever proposed :-)

on such system, when a swap part is needed, creating it should be proposed

I would very well welcome this proposition on the short term. Yesterday i wanted to update 10.0 > 10.2, on a Compaq Armada E500, with 192MB Ram. (Not possible caused by unsolvable deps.) Yast suggested to use the available swap-partition, and continued. However, the new install somehow screwed the partition label, and install was terminated. W2K, and the 10.0 install unusable... Now i did re-install W2K, and am facing the same prob. It is solvable, but for people not as familiar, this would be: Not possible to install SuSE OS. This is the last thing we would want, i guess?

jdd

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Steffen Winterfeldt schreef:

That sounds rather like bug. Please consider a bugreport.

Steffen

Well, i never encountered this before, but i never installed 10.2 on 'small' machines before... 10.0 did install without running out of RAMspace.. I would rather wait untill someone else also gets this problem, and than back up, unless you all say to file a bug offcourse.. (i can not reproduce it now) But if it is possible to give Yast the ability to create a swap partition, this would be logical. (since it is needing this huge amount of space...) - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.18.8-03-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: monkey9@tribal-sfn2 Systeem: openSUSE 10.2 (X86-64) KDE: 3.5.5 "release 45.4" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGUbOSX5/X5X6LpDgRAjy0AKCM/pgtbgJ0sp95DjkjFc6m+RXLywCggBvY 8DYZIrYvbuta489zaR3EAug= =NrC3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Mon, 21 May 2007, M9. wrote:

Steffen Winterfeldt schreef:

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That sounds rather like bug. Please consider a bugreport.

Steffen

Well, i never encountered this before, but i never installed 10.2 on 'small' machines before...

10.0 did install without running out of RAMspace..

I really wonder how we did that. :-/

But if it is possible to give Yast the ability to create a swap partition, this would be logical. (since it is needing this huge amount of space...)

The swap-file suggestion sounds not bad. But the tricky part is of course to track the partition as unchangeable. Steffen --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Mon, 21 May 2007, Volker Kuhlmann wrote:

On Mon 21 May 2007 18:23:42 NZST +1200, Peter Czanik wrote:

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Installation on these machines is getting more and more difficult due to RAM requirements of the installer (especially the package manager). Right now the only way to install openSUSE on such a machine is to enable a swap partition at the beginning of installation.

You can only do that if the installer is able to proceed to the point where it asks whether to enable a swap partition which already exists on disk. The 10.2 one doesn't get that far with 128MB RAM, a black screen and hard-hang results. Hmm I think that box had onboard shared-mem graphics which prob effectively took 4-8MB off.

linuxrc in 10.2 is setup to ask for swap if you have less than about 256MB RAM (provided you already have a swap partition.) Just did a quick check and it works for me (even with mem=110m, which should approximate your config). Steffen --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Volker Kuhlmann wrote:

How many people are interested in running a smallish text-only(?) SUSE system on 128MB RAM?

many I actually try to catch for may lug old laptops. many have only 128Mb ram and laptop ram is expensive (and it's not always possible to add) 10.2 runs without any problem in it (with swap), install also, but with some tricky step. Automatic swap should be very nice why not a swp file? should it be possible to use a swap file (or ask for swap partition in case not readable probably empty disk) until partitioning is asked for, then free the sawp, and repartion? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://gourmandises.orangeblog.fr/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

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Volker Kuhlmann wrote:

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How many people are interested in running a smallish text-only(?) SUSE system on 128MB RAM?

many

I actually try to catch for may lug old laptops. many have only 128Mb ram and laptop ram is expensive (and it's not always possible to add)

For example: 2x 256MB (top) for Compaq Armada E500, costs me: EUR 184,-, incl 19% taxes: EUR 34,96 = EUR 218,96 , and this was the cheapest place i could find! (and what to do with the 64, and 128MB modules, i have left?)

10.2 runs without any problem in it (with swap), install also, but with some tricky step. Automatic swap should be very nice why not a swp file?

should it be possible to use a swap file (or ask for swap partition in case not readable probably empty disk) until partitioning is asked for, then free the sawp, and repartion?

jdd

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M9. wrote:

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For example: 2x 256MB (top) for Compaq Armada E500, costs me: EUR 184,-, incl 19% taxes: EUR 34,96 = EUR 218,96 , and this was the cheapest place i could find! (and what to do with the 64, and 128MB modules, i have left?)

send them to me (for free :-)

jdd

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How many people are interested in running a smallish text-only(?) SUSE system on 128MB RAM? Or smaller... should a decent firewall/router not be able to run on as

On 2007-05-22 05:37, Volker Kuhlmann wrote: little as 64MB? -- Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo. -- HG Wells --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Monday 21 May 2007 08:37, Steffen Winterfeldt wrote:

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Really cool users can show their advancedness by booting with (for example):

insmod=vfat exec="mount /dev/sda1 /mnt ; dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/foo bs=1G count=1 ; mkswap /mnt/foo ; swapon /mnt/foo ; /usr/local/bin/umount -l /mnt"

which does exactly what you want. :-)

That's definitely cool, but I'd turn down the dd buffer size and compensate by increasing the record count. If a buffer of the specified size (bs= argument) cannot be allocated by dd, it will fail. (It's not going to affect the speed unless the buffer size is ridiculously small, since the whole thing is utterly I/O-bound.) Given that no swap is available at the time, asking for a gigabyte would mean that many users' systems would not be able to accommodate this request. Speaking of failure, you might want to replace the semicolons with double ampersands, so the later commands only execute if the earlier ones succeed. By the way, why attempt to unmount /mnt? Since there's now an open file there, is it not guaranteed to fail?

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Steffen

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On Monday 21 May 2007 09:05, Steffen Winterfeldt wrote:

On Mon, 21 May 2007, Randall R Schulz wrote:

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On Monday 21 May 2007 08:37, Steffen Winterfeldt wrote:

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Really cool users can show their advancedness by booting with (for example):

insmod=vfat exec="mount /dev/sda1 /mnt ; dd if=/dev/zero of=/mnt/foo bs=1G count=1 ; mkswap /mnt/foo ; swapon /mnt/foo ; /usr/local/bin/umount -l /mnt"

which does exactly what you want. :-)

That's definitely cool, ...

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By the way, why attempt to unmount /mnt? Since there's now an open file there, is it not guaranteed to fail?

You need to get rid of it, because (a) yast uses /mnt and (b) yast might want to mount the partition itself. umount will not fail as '-l' makes a 'lazy' umount (unmounts no matter what).

Ah. That one was new to me. The man page clarifies that the mount point is freed up but resources in use on the mounted system remain intact until released in the normal manner by whatever is using them. You could always use an alternate mount point, creating it first with mkdir. And despite the obvious infallibility of your commands, if for some reason the unmount failed, then YaST's or the installer's need to subsequently mount something there would also fail. Better to preclude the possibility, no? (In true Murphy's law style!)

Steffen

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On Thu, 24 May 2007, Alexey Eremenko wrote:

On 5/24/07, Steffen Winterfeldt wrote:

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The latest linuxrc (version 2.1.25) can create swap partitions and swap files now. If you're going for swap files, you have to watch out not to reformat the partition later yourself.

What is the "linuxrc" ?

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On 5/24/07, Steffen Winterfeldt wrote:

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The latest linuxrc (version 2.1.25) can create swap partitions and swap files now. If you're going for swap files, you have to watch out not to reformat the partition later yourself. What is the "linuxrc" ?

http://en.opensuse.org/Linuxrc

But we need to create swap-on-NTFS, which will require addition of ntfs-3g to the openSUSE Linux and modifications to initrd. -- -Alexey Eremenko "Technologov" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Hello, Steffen Winterfeldt wrote:

The latest linuxrc (version 2.1.25) can create swap partitions and swap files now. If you're going for swap files, you have to watch out not to reformat the partition later yourself.

Thank, you, I tested creating a swap file and it works fine. Question about the swap partition creation: does it take into account the default partition table type of the architecture? I remember, that in 10.0 & 10.1 if the partition table was modified by YaST, then it was written do disk using an MSDOS partition table, no matter that it previously contained an Amiga partition table (like Pegasos and EFIKA PowerPC machines have). I'm asking this, as the whole thread was born because of this machine: http://www.pegasosppc.com/efika.php :) I don't have a HDD without important data on it at the moment... Bye, CzP --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org