On 7/3/2010 at 12:02 AM, Greg Freemyer wrote:

On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Tim Serong wrote:

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Hi Everybody,

I've recently updated most of the High Availability packages in network:ha-clustering:Factory to current stable versions (corosync 1.2, openais 1.2, pacemaker 1.1 etc. - previously we had openais 0.80.x and pacemaker 1.0.x, which were really quite old).

This leaves the question of what to do with the heartbeat package. Currently we have version 2.99.3, which gives us:

- heartbeat - heartbeat-resources (obsoleted by resource-agents) - heartbeat-common (obsoleted by cluster-glue) - heartbeat-ldirectord (obsoleted by resource-agents) - associated lib & devel packages

Upstream, heartbeat is now at version 3.0, but is effectively in "maintenance mode" (i.e. not under active development)[1]. So, we should either upgrade heartbeat in Factory to version 3 (and make it use the new resource-agents and cluster-glue packages as dependencies), or drop it.

I personally am in favour of dropping it, because:

- We have a current version of corosync/openais as an alternative messaging layer for Pacemaker clusters. - Heartbeat is no longer under active development. - I am not currently in a position where I can upgrade and/or maintain the Heartbeat packages myself.

Accordingly, if nobody objects (or offers to become maintainer) before the end of Monday July 5[2], I'll put in a deleterequest for heartbeat in Factory some time on Tuesday.

Regards,

Tim

[1] http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-ha@lists.linux-ha.org/msg14520.html [2] I will of course wait for Monday July 5 to finish everywhere in the world.

-- Tim Serong Senior Clustering Engineer, OPS Engineering, Novell Inc.

Tim,

I first used heartbeat 10+ years ago, so I'll be sad to see it go.

Also I think V.3 is a valuable asset to openSUSE, but I can't volunteer to support it. Have you asked anyone at LINBIT if they would consider it? I believe some of that team has suse / novell ties.

No, but I shall do so immediately.

IIRC, they even use OBS to publish heartbeat. And they are providing the upstream support so handling openSUSE issues should be a relatively small effort for them.

Assuming the delete goes forward:

Can you explain what this means for 11.3? Is heartbeat not going to be part of the release? I'm a little surprised a significant delete request is allowed post RC2, but I understand the logic.

Well... I can't say that my deleterequest will necessarily be approved, as it is very late in the game. But I hope that we can either get it removed or updated in time, so that we have the most consistent, up-to date set of HA packages possible.

Also, unless July 5 is in stone, it seems a very poor choice. This weekend is a major US holiday and many people that might care about heartbeat may not even by on e-mail between now and July 6.

Good point, poor choice on my part (I'm not in the States, so somehow that holiday wasn't front & center in my brain). Let's shift that then to end of Wednesday 7th for further comments (I don't want to drag on too long, but equally don't want to exclude anyone). Regards, Tim -- Tim Serong Senior Clustering Engineer, OPS Engineering, Novell Inc. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On 7/3/2010 at 11:28 AM, "Tim Serong" wrote:

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Tim,

I first used heartbeat 10+ years ago, so I'll be sad to see it go.

Also I think V.3 is a valuable asset to openSUSE, but I can't volunteer to support it. Have you asked anyone at LINBIT if they would consider it? I believe some of that team has suse / novell ties.

No, but I shall do so immediately.

OK, it looks like the good folks at LINBIT will be able to provide some assistance getting Heartbeat on openSUSE updated to the latest version (3.0.x.). openSUSE 11.3 obviously still includes 2.99.3, but at least we should be able to get the current version into Factory some time in the not too distant future. Regards, Tim -- Tim Serong Senior Clustering Engineer, OPS Engineering, Novell Inc. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org