I've been doing this 10.1 test work just like a real user: In other words I never read any release notes or documentation :-). Meanwhile, there is all this highly confusing yast/rug/zypp/zen stuff going on changing everything about online updates out from under me. In the 10.0 incarnation I submitted bug 141063 which was closed saying all would be automatic in 10.1. Now with RC2, I finally see some automatic things happening. Configuring the online update does seem to find a mirror for me, but at this point I get really confused: The little updater icon turned orange with an !, so I figure that means there are updates. If I click on the icon, it does say there are updates, but if I goto yast's online update it says there aren't any. Also if I goto software management to install some things from online factory that aren't on the CDs, the things I'm looking for don't show up until I once again manually configure a factory installation source. So things look really confusing and inconsistent from out here in typical user land :-). P.S. I don't know where the zypp name came from, but you do realize it is setup to have people call it "zyppy the pinhead" don't you? :-).
On Wednesday 26 April 2006 19:43, tomhorsley@adelphia.net wrote:
The little updater icon turned orange with an !, so I figure that means there are updates. If I click on the icon, it does say there are updates, but if I goto yast's online update it says there aren't any.
Also if I goto software management to install some things from online factory that aren't on the CDs, the things I'm looking for don't show up until I once again manually configure a factory installation source.
I've been wondering about this too. On my rc2 I have different sources for update in yast installation sources and zen respectively - one austrian the other hungarian. The one in yast installation sources is disabled by default it appears (though I'm not 100% sure I didn't disable it by mistake myself). Another thing - It seems everytime I boot my rc Zen-updater starts off by downloading 80 megs of data. I have added factory to it, but I've removed the check in "catalogs" - but this doesn't seem to change the behaviour. Is it possible to have different repos added to zen-updater and zen-installer resepectively? For instance I might like to install packages from factory with the installer - but I might not want to have the updater download 80 megs after every boot. Generally Zen and zmd have me confused. Guess it'll be easier to get the hang of it once it works. cb400f
On Wed, Apr 26, 2006 at 08:17:23PM +0200, Martin Schlander wrote:
On Wednesday 26 April 2006 19:43, tomhorsley@adelphia.net wrote:
The little updater icon turned orange with an !, so I figure that means there are updates. If I click on the icon, it does say there are updates, but if I goto yast's online update it says there aren't any.
Also if I goto software management to install some things from online factory that aren't on the CDs, the things I'm looking for don't show up until I once again manually configure a factory installation source.
I've been wondering about this too. On my rc2 I have different sources for update in yast installation sources and zen respectively - one austrian the other hungarian. The one in yast installation sources is disabled by default it appears (though I'm not 100% sure I didn't disable it by mistake myself).
Most likely because you are pointed there by download.opensuse.org That will point to a mirror and that will be a different one each time. (Just guessing here) houghi -- Nutze die Zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste, was wir haben, denn es ist unwiederbringliche Lebenszeit. Leben ist aber mehr als Werk und Arbeit, und das Sein wichtiger als das Tun - Johannes Müller-Elmau
On Wed, 26 Apr 2006, houghi wrote:
I've been wondering about this too. On my rc2 I have different sources for update in yast installation sources and zen respectively - one austrian the other hungarian. The one in yast installation sources is disabled by default it appears (though I'm not 100% sure I didn't disable it by mistake myself).
Most likely because you are pointed there by download.opensuse.org That will point to a mirror and that will be a different one each time. (Just guessing here)
No, we are not using download.openSUSE.org anywere in the product. Regards Christoph
On Wed, 2006-04-26 at 13:43 -0400, tomhorsley@adelphia.net wrote:
I've been doing this 10.1 test work just like a real user: In other words I never read any release notes or documentation :-).
Meanwhile, there is all this highly confusing yast/rug/zypp/zen stuff going on changing everything about online updates out from under me. In the 10.0 incarnation I submitted bug 141063 which was closed saying all would be automatic in 10.1.
Now with RC2, I finally see some automatic things happening. Configuring the online update does seem to find a mirror for me, but at this point I get really confused:
The little updater icon turned orange with an !, so I figure that means there are updates. If I click on the icon, it does say there are updates, but if I goto yast's online update it says there aren't any.
Also if I goto software management to install some things from online factory that aren't on the CDs, the things I'm looking for don't show up until I once again manually configure a factory installation source.
So things look really confusing and inconsistent from out here in typical user land :-).
I filed a bug on this, 166069, with RC1: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=166069 But they closed it as invalid, twice. I'm strongly considering re-opening it, but I'm working on getting some better arguments from other Novell people who can add better arguments to the case. This will be much more critical for the Enterprise products. Thanks, Chad
On Thursday 27 April 2006 09:24, you wrote:
On 26 Apr 2006 at 20:17, Martin Schlander wrote:
Another thing - It seems everytime I boot my rc Zen-updater starts off by downloading 80 megs of data. I have added factory to it, but I've removed the check in "catalogs" - but this doesn't seem to change the behaviour.
Ulrich Windl wrote:
If this is true, it would be an absolute blocker for any modem user. That would be roughly 5 hours for my Modem to download these 80MB (protocol overhead not considered).
Well, I monitor my network connection with knemo - and on every boot of rc2 80 megs are downloaded - I'm pretty sure zmd or zen-updater is behind this. I have Factory, Extra, Update, Guru and Packman added as sources (I added the to yast). In Zen I have removed the checks for all other catalogs than the update one. After downloading all this data it also says "no updates available". Whereas before I "deactivated" the catalogs it suggested to update to some packman packages. I have no idea what's going on - but it raises some questions. Should Zen-updater download repodata for services that are added - but not subscribed to (unchecked under "catalogs") when checking for available updates? How often does Zen check for updates? Daily? on every boot? Can this be configured somewhere? I don't boot my rc2 that often so I can't be sure how often it does it. Does this problem only exist because factory is changing. That is, if I had added a stable frozen factory inst source, would Zen know that and not download all the repodata all the time to check for updates? Another question - how is the clueless home user supposed to know the difference between important official security updates and bleeding edge third party packages - like Guru's Amarok betas (no pun intended Pascal, I love that you're building those betas) - when updating with Zen? Will there be some kind of colour code or something helping the user understand which updates are important - and which are less important and perhaps even risky (once the clueless user has added all kinds of repos thinking they're all idiot proof). cb400f PS. Ulrich Windl mailed me directly - I assume by mistake. Also by mistake I mailed him back with the post above. Damn modern technology ;) .. omg.. Now I mailed houghi directly.. sorry guys.
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