Greg Freemyer wrote:

On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 5:48 AM, Vahis wrote:

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I was reading here: http://kernelnewbies.org/Ext4

"One very important thing to keep in mind is that *there is NOT Ext4 GRUB support" *And "The safe option is to keep your /boot directory in a partition formatted with Ext3."

Is this the case with Milestone3?

I wasn't able to manage dual boot options in GRUB. The first time it said there was an error in creating bootloader and finally it did but I lost the other OS section. I'm making a second attempt with an ext3 /boot

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I saw a ext4 patch for grub floating around, but is a ext2 /boot such a bad thing. I have it on all of my systems just because I like it being separate.

This seems like a very low priority issue to me.

Greg

I don't personally think it's a biggie either. All I was asking whether this was the case. I play around with all betas before the finals and have time enough to learn the new features and decide whether to upgrade or skip a version. But if a beginner installs 11.2 as the first Linux it'll come by surprise. It surprised me when GRUB failed. I thought this is because of beta software and started to fix it. That's when I learned about this, say, issue. Ext4 is default in a fresh installation and the installer proposal does not propose separate /boot. This leads to unwanted situations with beginners doing fresh installations. Vahis -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Felix Miata wrote:

On 2009/06/28 12:48 (GMT+0300) Vahis composed:

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"The safe option is to keep your /boot directory in a partition formatted with Ext3."

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I'm making a second attempt with an ext3 /boot

No one's ever convinced me there is any point wasting space on a journal on a /boot partition. Writes to /boot are quite infrequent. Mine are all ext2.

The default installation does not propose separate /boot. I haven't used separate /boot for years. If this causes the user the need to configure separate /boot with ext2 (or ext3 which also works fine or anything else than ext4) I think it should not occur at the final stages of the installation but way before. Vahis -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Greg Freemyer wrote:

On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Vahis wrote:

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Felix Miata wrote:

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On 2009/06/28 12:48 (GMT+0300) Vahis composed:

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"The safe option is to keep your /boot directory in a partition formatted with Ext3."

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I'm making a second attempt with an ext3 /boot

No one's ever convinced me there is any point wasting space on a journal on a /boot partition. Writes to /boot are quite infrequent. Mine are all ext2.

The default installation does not propose separate /boot. I haven't used separate /boot for years.

If this causes the user the need to configure separate /boot with ext2 (or ext3 which also works fine or anything else than ext4) I think it should not occur at the final stages of the installation but way before.

Vahis

I'm in favor of the default config being changed to have a /boot that is ext2. Does someone need to put that in fate?

Greg

Ditto. But actually this is a bug to me. Let's assume the user does what I did: Install openSUSE as a second OS on a Windows machine, accepting all defaults. That's what I always do when installing a version for the first time. That's all we can assume the newbies do, they wouldn't know any better. At the end you get an error (?) not being able to configure GRUB. After some tweaking 11.2 boots but Windows is gone. If this is just me, fine. But there's a million Joe Sixpacks out there doing the same thing. This will definitely be unwanted. Vahis -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On 2009/06/29 01:04 (GMT+0200) Carlos E. R. composed:

the number of partitions is quite limited.

Not in Factory/11.2. Post-11.1 kernels (2.6.28-up) have eliminated the 14 limit. -- "Cast but a glance at riches, and they are gone, for they will surely sprout wings and fly off to the sky like an eagle." Proverbs 23:5 NIV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 28 of June 2009, Greg Freemyer wrote:

On Sun, Jun 28, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Vahis wrote:

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If this causes the user the need to configure separate /boot with ext2 (or ext3 which also works fine or anything else than ext4) I think it should not occur at the final stages of the installation but way before.

I'm in favor of the default config being changed to have a /boot that is ext2.

I'm not. How old is your machine that it cannot boot from the root partition?

Does someone need to put that in fate?

What should be done here is to report the bug about the default filesystem being ext4 and grub not being able to boot from it (if this hasn't been reported yet). If a solution to that problem turns out to be defaulting ext2 /boot for the time being, ok, whatever, but workarounds should not be the default action. -- Lubos Lunak KDE developer -------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX, s.r.o. e-mail: l.lunak@suse.cz , l.lunak@kde.org Lihovarska 1060/12 tel: +420 284 028 972 190 00 Prague 9 fax: +420 284 028 951 Czech Republic http://www.suse.cz -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Hi, Am Montag, 29. Juni 2009 05:02:31 schrieb Vahis:

It's not the machine. It's GRUB not being able to boot from ext4.

I'm reading this thread, but I actually don't understand. I installed Milestone2, as by default, on a ext4 partition, and the system was able to boot from it. Why do you say that GRUB can not handle ext4? The only problem I had, and that's why I reinstalled with ext3, was that my opensuse 11.0 didn't want to start. It complained about some unknown options on the filesystem. Which leads me to the question: Why is ext4 the default filesystem, if it still causes problems? Isn't it better to keep a working default and work on the new version until it's failsave before putting it as the new default? Thanks Karl -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Monday 29 June 2009 10:40:51 Karl Sinn wrote:

Hi,

Am Montag, 29. Juni 2009 05:02:31 schrieb Vahis:

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It's not the machine. It's GRUB not being able to boot from ext4.

I'm reading this thread, but I actually don't understand. I installed Milestone2, as by default, on a ext4 partition, and the system was able to boot from it.

Why do you say that GRUB can not handle ext4?

that's the unpatched grub.

The only problem I had, and that's why I reinstalled with ext3, was that my opensuse 11.0 didn't want to start. It complained about some unknown options on the filesystem.

Which leads me to the question: Why is ext4 the default filesystem, if it still causes problems?

It does not in openSUSE ;). Since 11.1 grub handles ext4 thanks to a GSoC project that openSUSE did, so everything should be fine here. Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director openSUSE, aj@{novell.com,opensuse.org} SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

Jozef Uhliarik wrote:

Hello Vahis, the support of ext4 is done in grub. There is only warning message in yast2-bootloader: About using separate /boot partition with ext3. The warning message will be deleted later. (I am working on other changes in yast2-bootloader and all will be submitted together)

Just ignore warning message from yast2-bootloader.

You can find details about status of support ext4 at: https://features.opensuse.org/305691

Best regards

jozef

O.K. Fine. No more worries with that then :) Vahis -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org