[opensuse-factory] dvd rest
Hi, Since 10.3 I only put on the DVDs what's listed in a pattern. For 10.3 I didn't dare to do too many changes, so I left most of the 10.2 packages in a REST-DVD pattern. But I want to get rid of this mass of unlisted packages, so here is the list of remaining packages. These are not Alpha3 and I would like some people to review the list for packages that should be on Beta1. So please review the list and give: package name, reason it should be on medium, pattern/topic to list it in Greetings, Stephan -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg)
Hi, * Stephan Kulow [2008-03-27 10:35]:
So please review the list and give: package name, reason it should be on medium, pattern/topic to list it in
And what should be a valid reason in your eyes? A reason for me is that I use the program, but I guess that's no reason for you. Wouldn't a vote system where everyone can vote for packages be better suited for that decision. Bernhard --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag 27 März 2008 schrieb Bernhard Walle:
Hi,
* Stephan Kulow [2008-03-27 10:35]:
So please review the list and give: package name, reason it should be on medium, pattern/topic to list it in
And what should be a valid reason in your eyes? A reason for me is that I use the program, but I guess that's no reason for you. Wouldn't a vote system where everyone can vote for packages be better suited for that decision.
Actually, the DVD has _tons_ of packages I don't use. So no, I would accept a "I use it daily to ...". Greetings, Stephan -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Thursday 2008-03-27 at 11:10 +0100, Stephan Kulow wrote:
Actually, the DVD has _tons_ of packages I don't use. So no, I would accept a "I use it daily to ...".
How about something that compares your list with my installed rpm list? A script or a command? There are a lot of packages I use I don't know the names of. O:-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFH658xtTMYHG2NR9URAiFOAKCIiJXDJEUQr82sTRGNQGdZnnDFOQCfZ0Ye HT5ayrm91IW8HBuD/Mg5sAM= =DqLR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hi,
The Thursday 2008-03-27 at 11:10 +0100, Stephan Kulow wrote:
Actually, the DVD has _tons_ of packages I don't use. So no, I would accept a "I use it daily to ...".
How about something that compares your list with my installed rpm list? A script or a command?
There are a lot of packages I use I don't know the names of. O:-) as I am just waiting for a kernel to compile I wrote a little script.
HTH fm
Carlos E. R. wrote: [...]
How about something that compares your list with my installed rpm list? A script or a command?
Save list to REST-DVD-UNKNOWN (as suggested) and then do in the (ba)sh: for i in `rpm -qa | sed 's;-[^-]*-[^-]*$;;' |sort`; do egrep "^${i}$" REST-DVD-UNKNOWN done Regards, Klaus. -- Klaus Singvogel SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Maxfeldstr. 5 E-Mail: Klaus.Singvogel@SuSE.de 90409 Nuernberg Phone: +49 (0) 911 740530 Germany GnuPG-Key-ID: 1024R/5068792D 1994-06-27 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Stephan Kulow wrote:
So please review the list and give: package name, reason it should be on medium, pattern/topic to list it in
What patterns or topics are available?
ccache
Should be placed in the pattern with the other developer tools.
ding
Useful if you are offline and want a translation for something. I use that all the time even though I'm online.
gv
Old but I still use it.
gvim
I couldn't even write this mail without gvim.
mmv
I usually use that for renaming multiple files. Most of the time faster than writing a script.
openswan
VPN
opie
Don't know but we should not ship without that.
pmidi
Command line midi player. I usually use that as the KDE programs for playing midi always sucked.
pwgen
Nice tool for generating passwords. Someone should write a GUI and install it by default IMHO to help people avoid stupid passwords.
timidity
Is there any alternative to timidity for soundcards that don't support midi in hardware?
units
An installation without that isn't complete. What else can convert to Zentner? Too cool to be excluded. I'd install it by default :-)
vdr
THE solution for DVB VCRs. Looks like vdr-plugins was forgotten. We should include that one too as it includes a xine output plugin useful for desktop use/budget cards.
xawtv
Probably still used by people with analog TV.
xchat
I use that for IRC.
xine-ui
kaffeine just sometimes is to heavy weight so xine-ui is still useful.
xosview
Put it where WindowMaker is, I need it :-)
xpdf
Talking as a security person I wouldn't recommend shiping that anymore at all as it would be one less place of xpdf code.
zd1211-firmware
Firmware for ZD1211 based WLAN sticks. I don't know how common those are. I have one at least. cu Ludwig -- (o_ Ludwig Nussel //\ V_/_ http://www.suse.de/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
* Ludwig Nussel [2008-03-27 11:34]:
xpdf
Talking as a security person I wouldn't recommend shiping that anymore at all as it would be one less place of xpdf code.
And what should I use to read PDFs *fast* without starting a plethora of daemons in the background? I use it for my daily work, please keep that on DVD. And the xpdf-tools are very useful, too. Bernhard --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Bernhard Walle wrote:
* Ludwig Nussel [2008-03-27 11:34]:
xpdf
Talking as a security person I wouldn't recommend shiping that anymore at all as it would be one less place of xpdf code.
And what should I use to read PDFs *fast* without starting a plethora of daemons in the background? I use it for my daily work, please keep that on DVD. And the xpdf-tools are very useful, too.
I know, I use it too. Nevertheless xpdf security updates were anything but a picnic in the past so the less packages with xpdf code the better. Ideally even xpdf itself would use poppler which is an attempt to have xpdf code only in one central library. cu Ludwig -- (o_ Ludwig Nussel //\ V_/_ http://www.suse.de/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Ludwig Nussel wrote:
Bernhard Walle wrote:
* Ludwig Nussel [2008-03-27 11:34]:
xpdf
Talking as a security person I wouldn't recommend shiping that anymore at all as it would be one less place of xpdf code.
And what should I use to read PDFs *fast* without starting a plethora of daemons in the background? I use it for my daily work, please keep that on DVD. And the xpdf-tools are very useful, too.
I know, I use it too. Nevertheless xpdf security updates were anything but a picnic in the past so the less packages with xpdf code the better. Ideally even xpdf itself would use poppler which is an attempt to have xpdf code only in one central library.
I fear that xpdf-tools are required for next, upcoming CUPS versions, as there is the accepted opinion that PDF (and no more PostScript) will be the internal transport format for CUPS. xpdf-tools will be required then for debugging such files. Regards, Klaus. -- Klaus Singvogel SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Maxfeldstr. 5 E-Mail: Klaus.Singvogel@SuSE.de 90409 Nuernberg Phone: +49 (0) 911 740530 Germany GnuPG-Key-ID: 1024R/5068792D 1994-06-27 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Fri 28 Mar 2008 00:37:29 NZDT +1300, Klaus Singvogel wrote:
I fear that xpdf-tools are required for next, upcoming CUPS versions, as there is the accepted opinion that PDF (and no more PostScript) will be the internal transport format for CUPS.
xpdf-tools are required fullstop. pdfinfo and pdffonts are essential tools with no alternatives (I don't call cranking up acroread an alternative, and I don't think it gives as much info either). pdftops is the only usable conversion tool handling fonts correctly, that abominable ghostscript rubbish has all fonts outline-traced and replaced with polygons and/or bitmap (type 3) fonts. I find pdfimages irreplacable too. Bottom line: xpdf-tools are indispensable. Personally I don't like to be without xpdf either, but I se Ludwig's point. Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Le vendredi 28 mars 2008, à 08:48 +1300, Volker Kuhlmann a écrit :
On Fri 28 Mar 2008 00:37:29 NZDT +1300, Klaus Singvogel wrote:
I fear that xpdf-tools are required for next, upcoming CUPS versions, as there is the accepted opinion that PDF (and no more PostScript) will be the internal transport format for CUPS.
xpdf-tools are required fullstop. pdfinfo and pdffonts are essential tools with no alternatives (I don't call cranking up acroread an alternative, and I don't think it gives as much info either).
pdftops is the only usable conversion tool handling fonts correctly, that abominable ghostscript rubbish has all fonts outline-traced and replaced with polygons and/or bitmap (type 3) fonts.
I find pdfimages irreplacable too.
Bottom line: xpdf-tools are indispensable. Personally I don't like to be without xpdf either, but I se Ludwig's point.
We should switch to poppler-tools: it provides the same tools as xpdf-tools, and it's better for security reasons (as already pointed out before in the thread). Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
* Ludwig Nussel [2008-03-27 12:25]:
I know, I use it too. Nevertheless xpdf security updates were anything but a picnic in the past so the less packages with xpdf code the better. Ideally even xpdf itself would use poppler which is an attempt to have xpdf code only in one central library.
Well, maybe it would make sense to write a lightweight PDF viewer based on poppler from scratch. epdfview (plain Gtk) is a nice start, but it's unmaintained now. No, I don't have time, that's why I use xpdf. ;) Bernhard --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hello, On Mar 27 10:35 Stephan Kulow wrote (shortened):
... here is the list of remaining packages. These are not Alpha3 and I would like some people to review the list for packages that should be on Beta1.
So please review the list and give: package name, reason it should be on medium, pattern/topic to list it in
Regarding the sane-frontends package see https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=224411 Summary: The following user frontend applications for scanners should be installed by default: Package xsane if Gnome is installed Package kdegraphics3-scan (contains kooka) if KDE is installed (I don't know if there is a scanner frontend for KDE4) Package sane-frontends if the X window system is installed Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
* Johannes Meixner [2008-03-27 11:45]:
Package xsane if Gnome is installed
And if Xfce is installed, please. xsane has no real GNOME dependencies, it's plain Gtk+, so I don't think that we should it install only when GNOME is installed. Bernhard --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Bernhard Walle wrote:
* Johannes Meixner [2008-03-27 11:45]:
Package xsane if Gnome is installed
And if Xfce is installed, please. xsane has no real GNOME dependencies, it's plain Gtk+, so I don't think that we should it install only when GNOME is installed.
It's also a GIMP plugin so it makes sense to install it as soon as GIMP is installed. cu Ludwig -- (o_ Ludwig Nussel //\ V_/_ http://www.suse.de/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag 27 März 2008 schrieb Ludwig Nussel:
Bernhard Walle wrote:
* Johannes Meixner [2008-03-27 11:45]:
Package xsane if Gnome is installed
And if Xfce is installed, please. xsane has no real GNOME dependencies, it's plain Gtk+, so I don't think that we should it install only when GNOME is installed.
It's also a GIMP plugin so it makes sense to install it as soon as GIMP is installed.
That can be solved by a supplements Greetings, Stephan -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hello, On Mar 27 12:25 Stephan Kulow wrote (shortened):
Am Donnerstag 27 März 2008 schrieb Ludwig Nussel:
Bernhard Walle wrote:
* Johannes Meixner [2008-03-27 11:45]:
Package xsane if Gnome is installed
And if Xfce is installed, please. xsane has no real GNOME dependencies, it's plain Gtk+, so I don't think that we should it install only when GNOME is installed.
It's also a GIMP plugin so it makes sense to install it as soon as GIMP is installed.
That can be solved by a supplements
No. RPM Recommends/Supplements trigger the installer to install whatever/whenever is available. As both xsane and sane-frontends provide a GIMP plugin, both would have a Supplements but then GIMP users would have by default two scanning plugins which is not what I like to have by default: Fill the user's disk by default with all what looks useful regardless how often there is a tool for the same task. What I would need is non-mutual-exclusive RPM Alternatives preferably with additional conditions when which alternative should be preferred and one marked as fallback/default (obviously RPM Obsoletes/Conflicts is inappropriate). But I think this is all off-topic because as far as I understand the patterns they are basically used to get a reasonable default set of installed packages. Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex
Hi, [Daniel: CCed you as there are quiet some opensync packages on the list]
Since 10.3 I only put on the DVDs what's listed in a pattern. For 10.3 I didn't dare to do too many changes, so I left most of the 10.2 packages in a REST-DVD pattern.
But I want to get rid of this mass of unlisted packages, so here is the list of remaining packages. These are not Alpha3 and I would like some people to review the list for packages that should be on Beta1.
So please review the list and give: package name, reason it should be on medium, pattern/topic to list it in
Greetings, Stephan
Just a quick look over them.
audacity we certainly want to keep that.
bluez-hcidump I use this a lot to get opensync working ;)
convert This is one of the most important tools!
flac I think we should keep this.
grip I use this from time to time. It more reliable than ioslaves ...
gstreamer-0_10-plugins-good-extra I think this is needed for many multimedia applications.
libopensync-plugin-google-calendar libopensync-plugin-moto libopensync-plugin-python-module I use them to synchronize a phone.
msynctool this is from opensync again
powertop this is quiet an interesting tool.
unix2dos I use this every now and then.
wpa_supplicant-gui This is really important at the moment. As nm is upgraded to 0.7
xchat I often use that.
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Am Donnerstag 27 März 2008 schrieb Felix Möller:
flac I think we should keep this.
What for? It seems to contain 99% of API documentation. The rest I added to the patterns. Greetings, Stephan -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Stephan Kulow wrote:
Am Donnerstag 27 März 2008 schrieb Felix Möller:
flac I think we should keep this. What for? It seems to contain 99% of API documentation. It contains flac which is used to encode / decode flacs.
# rpm -ql flac | grep bin /usr/bin/flac /usr/bin/metaflac man flac: DESCRIPTION flac is a command-line tool for encoding, decoding, testing and analyzing FLAC streams. HTH fm --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Stephan Kulow wrote:
So please review the list and give: package name, reason it should be on medium, pattern/topic to list it in
ivtv, ivtv-firmware - these packages are installed by yast2-tv when a ivtv card is configured. -- Best Regards Ladislav Slezák Yast Developer ------------------------------------------------------------------------ SUSE LINUX, s.r.o. e-mail: lslezak@suse.cz Lihovarská 1060/12 tel: +420 284 028 960 190 00 Prague 9 fax: +420 284 028 951 Czech Republic http://www.suse.cz/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag 27 März 2008 schrieb Ladislav Slezak:
Stephan Kulow wrote:
So please review the list and give: package name, reason it should be on medium, pattern/topic to list it in
ivtv, ivtv-firmware - these packages are installed by yast2-tv when a ivtv card is configured.
You know about http://svn.opensuse.org/svn/yast/trunk/extra-packages ? Greetings, Stephan -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Thu 27 Mar 2008 22:35:33 NZDT +1300, Stephan Kulow wrote:
But I want to get rid of this mass of unlisted packages, so here is the list of remaining packages. These are not Alpha3 and I would like some people to review the list for packages that should be on Beta1.
I can say which packages of that list I use regularly, but not what pattern they should be in.
aide
Only intrusion detection shipped. There used to be an old stripped free version of tripwire, but that was prob getting too old to be useful (newer ones are not free). Not many (any?) alternatives.
alien
Convert debs to rpms for testing them out. Useful.
alsamixergui alsa-plugins-samplerate alsa-tools alsa-tools-gui
Don't know, are there alternatives, esp for alsa-tools?
audacity
I understand this is the only audio editor worth having.
blender
Commonly used render program. Distro would be incomplete without, though I don't use it myself.
bonnie bonnie++
Are there better disk performance test programs than these?
busybox
Keep for emergencies.
bzip2-doc
Surely this belongs with bzip2?
chkrootkit
Keep.
ckermit
Old communications package. Used seldom, but when, is essential.
dar
There are probably people relying on this for their backup schemes.
ddrescue
The SUSE version is HEAPS better than the GNU one! Or has that changed?
detex
(La)tex to ASCII converter. Useful and without alternative.
djvulibre
Alternatives to reading this file format?
dvi2tty
.dvi to ASCII converter. I use this occasionally, no alternative I can think of.
flac
This looks like an essential command line tool for handling that audio format to me.
gv
I use this all the time because I don't like the KDE overhead, and gv still has some user interface functions which never made it into kpdf. It also shows postscript files (kpdf does not, that shows a pdf conversio instead, which isn't necessarily the same). Essential IMHO.
html2text
Often has a very good html to text rendering not reached by any other tool. I use this daily in scripts.
kernel-docs
Uhm, isn't this mandatory for a Linux distro?
lftp
Which other ftp client can do an easy ftp file upload?
mmv
In daily use for multi-renaming of files using shell globs. There's no GUI for this sort of thing and nothing else for the same job (bash doesn't cut it in effeiciency here). Absolutely essential IMHO.
netatalk
Anyone still using appletalk?
openmotif
Essential for nedit.
par
Paragraph formatter which I use daily because it can keep initial comment characters.
postgresql postgresql-contrib postgresql-server
Are you really thinking of discontinuing postgresql?
pptpd
I understand there are quite a few places which only allow VPNs with this Redmond stuff.
privoxy
I'm relying on this every time I look at a web page. Web-browsers' filters suck for 2 reasons: they only work with their own browser (so I get to set that up per browser - no thanks), and they aren't flexible enough.
seccheck
Useful as long as it's maintained. I've been running it on most of my systems.
statserial
Some people still use serial ports. USB-to-serial converters a-la FTDI are very common.
subversion-doc subversion-python subversion-server subversion-tools
Documentation for subversion would be essential (unless it's now in another subversion package). I can see the others being useful too.
unison
Similar to rsync, but works in both directions.
wondershaper
A very good start for bandwidth management, I would (and have) modified those scripts rather than start over.
xfsdump
Isn't that needed when using XFS filesystems?
xpdf
Its tools and its pdf interpreter are absolutely essential. I use the GUI too with dodgy PDFs and to check on rendering differences against gv and acroread. Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag, 27. März 2008 schrieb Volker Kuhlmann:
On Thu 27 Mar 2008 22:35:33 NZDT +1300, Stephan Kulow wrote:
But I want to get rid of this mass of unlisted packages, so here is the list of remaining packages. These are not Alpha3 and I would like some people to review the list for packages that should be on Beta1.
I can say which packages of that list I use regularly, but not what pattern they should be in.
OK, perhaps I didn't make myself clear. Your list seems to made with "we'll drop every package on that list" - that's not the case, I'm only trying to free space on the DVD for the most important things. Greetings, Stephan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
* Stephan Kulow [2008-03-27 10:35]:
audacity
IMO the best sound editor on Linux. At least for users that don't use a sound editor often. ;) Should stay on DVD. Maybe in some multimedia pattern.
aumix
Good for non-interactive usage. I use it for key bindings in my environment. Maybe in some console pattern where also mutt and screen resides.
capisuite
I don't use it, but it would be a pity if that would be dropped from DVD. This was developed @SUSE and ISDN is still used for fax ...
ccache
I use that at home where I don't have that fast build machines. ;) Should stay on DVD, in some development pattern where also gcc resides.
ddrescue
That should be even in the rescue CD I think. :)
ding
Very useful on laptops where you don't have an internet connection. Should stay. I even would install it by default on KDE and GNOME. ;)
gcal
Keep this. Basic tool. Uli needs that to write his mail. ;) Console pattern.
grip
Keep this! Very useful tools to rip CDs. One of the "just works" tool that I really like. :) Multimedia pattern.
gthumb
My favourite image browser. GNOME pattern.
gtklp
Good alternative to kprinter. Keep this. I'd even add this in the Xfce pattern.
gv
Best Postscript viewer ever! Please keep. Maybe some "plain old X applications" pattern.
gvim
Hey, that's my most used application! Allows much nicer color schemes than vim and also a better mouse usage [yes, I know :set mouse=a]. Please keep, maybe some deveopment pattern.
jedit
Hm ..., don't use that any longer, but I used it as programming editor for a long time. I still think that it's very nice. Depeding on which Java we ship with the DVDs (only Sun or IBM Java has a complete Swing implementation, IIRC) that might stay, too. Deveopment pattern.
lftp
The best ftp client forever. Please keep! I'd even install that by default. Console pattern.
sshfs
I often use that at home to mount file systems over VPN. Keep. ;)
unison
I use that for file synchronisation every day. One of the programs that "just work". Please keep. Maybe the same "plain old X pattern" as gv.
units
Standard unix program. I'd even install that by default. Console pattern.
unix2dos
Console pattern.
usbview
Doesn't work without usbfs. I wrote a patch to port to libusb but I didn't get any response from Greg KH. I'd drop that package in current state entirely.
xcompmgr
Nice for "old" window managers. Please keep. Although I don't use it currently.
xosd
Since that contains the library ... I use that for an program that shows the dektop name when switching desktops. Please keep. ;)
xosview
Becoming nostalgic. :) vote++, "old X pattern".
xpdf
See other discussion. Same pattern as gv.
xv
My daily usage image viewer. Can read from stdin quilt graph|dot -Tpng|xv - Not many programs can do this. "old X pattern". Thanks for listening, Bernhard --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 01:06:23PM +0100, Bernhard Walle wrote:
* Stephan Kulow [2008-03-27 10:35]:
usbview
Doesn't work without usbfs. I wrote a patch to port to libusb but I didn't get any response from Greg KH. I'd drop that package in current state entirely.
Sorry, it's in my huge backlog, usbview is not on my "priority" list anymore. I agree, it should be dropped entirely. Should free up some space for other packages more deserving. thanks, greg k-h --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Torsdag den 27. Marts 2008 10:35:33 skrev Stephan Kulow:
package name, reason it should be on medium, pattern/topic to list it in
postgresql Reason: Not my area of expertise, but I think it's very widely used. I think we already treat our server users pretty badly. Pattern/Topic: Dunno.. LAPP-pattern? part of LAMP somehow perhaps? zd1211-firmware: Reason: Firmware for very widely used chipset on USB wlan dongles, this package should be on the CD too. Pattern/Topic: Wlan? dunno, think of something.. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag 27 März 2008 schrieb Stephan Kulow:
Hi,
Since 10.3 I only put on the DVDs what's listed in a pattern. For 10.3 I didn't dare to do too many changes, so I left most of the 10.2 packages in a REST-DVD pattern.
But I want to get rid of this mass of unlisted packages, so here is the list of remaining packages. These are not Alpha3 and I would like some people to review the list for packages that should be on Beta1.
So please review the list and give: package name, reason it should be on medium, pattern/topic to list it in
Thanks for everyone's feedback, I added most of it - whenever I did not write anything about it. You added ~40MB worth of RPMs. old: download size=3987490.0k, install size=10596710.3k new: download size=4021664.8k, install size=10698456.6k Greetings, Stephan -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag 27 März 2008 schrieb Stephan Kulow:
Hi,
Since 10.3 I only put on the DVDs what's listed in a pattern. For 10.3 I didn't dare to do too many changes, so I left most of the 10.2 packages in a REST-DVD pattern.
But I want to get rid of this mass of unlisted packages, so here is the list of remaining packages. These are not Alpha3 and I would like some people to review the list for packages that should be on Beta1.
So please review the list and give: package name, reason it should be on medium, pattern/topic to list it in
Updated List is attached Greetings, Stephan -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg)
Hi,
Since 10.3 I only put on the DVDs what's listed in a pattern. For 10.3 I didn't dare to do too many changes, so I left most of the 10.2 packages in a REST-DVD pattern.
But I want to get rid of this mass of unlisted packages, so here is the list of remaining packages. These are not Alpha3 and I would like some people to review the list for packages that should be on Beta1.
So please review the list and give: package name, reason it should be on medium, pattern/topic to list it in
Updated List is attached flac is installed and on the list See my mail from earlier today. It is used by grip for example.
libsyncml-tools is installed and on the list Tool for testing SyncML synchronisation, is described detailed in the opensuse opensync wiki pages. Thanks Felix Möller --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag 27 März 2008 schrieb Felix Möller:
Hi,
Since 10.3 I only put on the DVDs what's listed in a pattern. For 10.3 I didn't dare to do too many changes, so I left most of the 10.2 packages in a REST-DVD pattern.
But I want to get rid of this mass of unlisted packages, so here is the list of remaining packages. These are not Alpha3 and I would like some people to review the list for packages that should be on Beta1.
So please review the list and give: package name, reason it should be on medium, pattern/topic to list it in
Updated List is attached
flac is installed and on the list See my mail from earlier today. It is used by grip for example. Then grip should recommend flac.
libsyncml-tools is installed and on the list Tool for testing SyncML synchronisation, is described detailed in the opensuse opensync wiki pages. You forgot it in the first list?
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Hi,
libsyncml-tools is installed and on the list Tool for testing SyncML synchronisation, is described detailed in the opensuse opensync wiki pages. You forgot it in the first list? yeah, sorry, I did not spot it the first time. But my script spoted it. ;)
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Stephan Kulow wrote: [...]
Updated List is attached
[...]
chkrootkit
I'm wondering that no-one is speaking up, here.
detex
Reason: make TeX files readable, without processing them first Selection: Wordprocessing
flac
Reason: I vote for flac too. Sometimes used/seen in Multimedia area, e.g. xine Selection: Multimedia, Audio
kernel-docs
Reason: sometimes required for creating "unusual" device inodes (like 2nd parallel port) Selection: same as kernel. :-)
libdvdnav
Is installed in all of my systems, but don't know for which tool. RPM doesn't show any requirements. Think its xine, but maybe it's MPlayer? Regards, Klaus. -- Klaus Singvogel SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Maxfeldstr. 5 E-Mail: Klaus.Singvogel@SuSE.de 90409 Nuernberg Phone: +49 (0) 911 740530 Germany GnuPG-Key-ID: 1024R/5068792D 1994-06-27 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag 27 März 2008 schrieb Klaus Singvogel:
Stephan Kulow wrote: [...]
Updated List is attached
[...]
chkrootkit
I'm wondering that no-one is speaking up, here. Because this is a silly tool? I remember when it detected icecream as rootkit :)
detex
Reason: make TeX files readable, without processing them first Selection: Wordprocessing
It's in, it's just provided by texlive-tools these days, so my grepping did not filter it out.
Reason: sometimes required for creating "unusual" device inodes (like 2nd parallel port) Selection: same as kernel. :-)
Google always helped me in such cases :) And the kernel is in no selection, it's just there.
libdvdnav
Is installed in all of my systems, but don't know for which tool. RPM doesn't show any requirements. Think its xine, but maybe it's MPlayer?
Not good enough then. Requirements are pulled in automatically. Greetings, Stephan -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
* Stephan Kulow [2008-03-27 15:26]:
Reason: sometimes required for creating "unusual" device inodes (like 2nd parallel port) Selection: same as kernel. :-)
Google always helped me in such cases :) And the kernel is in no selection, it's just there.
Remembers me to the discussion to package documentation/* (or at least some files) independently of kernel-source. Would also solve that issue. kernel-doc is too much to install it by default. Bernhard --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hello, On Mar 27 14:48 Stephan Kulow wrote (shortened):
... review the list for packages that should be on Beta1. ... Updated List is attached
bluez-cups: Contains the bluetooth CUPS backend for printing to bluetooth-connected printers. If bluez-cups is not on the media, printing to bluetooth-connected printers is not possible. I don't know how many users actualy use such printers. In the past I got exactly one user question about bluetooth-connected printers which might indicate that amost nobody uses them. Printing to bluetooth-connected printers can be set up with the YaST printer module. If bluez-cups is removed from the media, we should remove its config from the YaST printer module. Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag 27 März 2008 schrieb Johannes Meixner:
Printing to bluetooth-connected printers can be set up with the YaST printer module. If bluez-cups is removed from the media, we should remove its config from the YaST printer module.
Another missing extra-packages entry Greetings, Stephan -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hello, On Mar 27 15:28 Stephan Kulow wrote (shortened):
Am Donnerstag 27 März 2008 schrieb Johannes Meixner:
Printing to bluetooth-connected printers can be set up with the YaST printer module. If bluez-cups is removed from the media, we should remove its config from the YaST printer module.
Another missing extra-packages entry
Thanks to mention ist! It sems the bug is bigger: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=374423 It seems yast2-printer does care at all about the bluez-cups package. At least I don't find 'bluez-cups' in the YaST printer/ sourcedir. Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex
Hello rapid typing nonsense correction: On Mar 27 15:55 Johannes Meixner wrote (shortened):
Thanks to mention ist! ... it!
It seems yast2-printer does care at all about the bluez-cups package. ... does not care ...
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Why remove the possibility from Yast?
It's better to then ask the user to install bluez-cups before further
configuration can be done. The user must of course then add a
repository that has the package.
Kind Regards
Birger
2008/3/27, Johannes Meixner
Hello,
On Mar 27 14:48 Stephan Kulow wrote (shortened):
... review the list for packages that should be on Beta1. ... Updated List is attached
bluez-cups:
Contains the bluetooth CUPS backend for printing to bluetooth-connected printers.
If bluez-cups is not on the media, printing to bluetooth-connected printers is not possible.
I don't know how many users actualy use such printers. In the past I got exactly one user question about bluetooth-connected printers which might indicate that amost nobody uses them.
Printing to bluetooth-connected printers can be set up with the YaST printer module. If bluez-cups is removed from the media, we should remove its config from the YaST printer module.
Kind Regards Johannes Meixner
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a2ps-h and cedilla: whatever pattern a2ps belongs to gqcam is a nice tool for testing a webcam (Graphics?) djvulibre (Graphics) lilypond lilypond-documentation musictex (Technical writing?) xaos - it would be a pity if this nice fractal viewer disappered (Graphics?) -- ======================== Roger Whittaker roger@disruptive.org.uk http://disruptive.org.uk ======================== --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag 27 März 2008 schrieb Roger Whittaker:
a2ps-h and cedilla: whatever pattern a2ps belongs to
gqcam is a nice tool for testing a webcam (Graphics?)
djvulibre (Graphics)
lilypond lilypond-documentation musictex (Technical writing?)
xaos - it would be a pity if this nice fractal viewer disappered (Graphics?)
Sorry, but your list does not fullfill my requirements Greetings, Stephan -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Donnerstag, 27. März 2008, Stephan Kulow wrote:
Am Donnerstag 27 März 2008 schrieb Stephan Kulow:
Hi,
Since 10.3 I only put on the DVDs what's listed in a pattern. For 10.3 I didn't dare to do too many changes, so I left most of the 10.2 packages in a REST-DVD pattern.
But I want to get rid of this mass of unlisted packages, so here is the list of remaining packages. These are not Alpha3 and I would like some people to review the list for packages that should be on Beta1.
So please review the list and give: package name, reason it should be on medium, pattern/topic to list it in
Updated List is attached
cyrus-sasl-gssapi Reason: This package is needed as soon as you want to do kerberos authentication against various services (e.g. IMAP, LDAP, SMTP). On the client as well as on the server side. Patterns: - every pattern that pulls in the other cyrus-sasl-* plugins (or the GNOME and KDE patterns) - directory_server - mail_server -- Ralf --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Le jeudi 27 mars 2008, à 14:48 +0100, Stephan Kulow a écrit :
evolution-webcal
Part of the default GNOME desktop, should be in the same pattern as evolution (gnome_basis).
gnome-backgrounds
Would be nice to have, it provides the upstream GNOME backgrounds. Hrm, not sure which is the most appropriate pattern, though.
sound-juicer
Part of the default GNOME desktop. Should probably be in gnome_multimedia or gnome_basis. Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Freitag 28 März 2008 schrieb Vincent Untz:
Le jeudi 27 mars 2008, à 14:48 +0100, Stephan Kulow a écrit :
evolution-webcal
Part of the default GNOME desktop, should be in the same pattern as evolution (gnome_basis). Not of the default GNOME of 10.3 though - otherwise it wouldn't have been in this list.
gnome-backgrounds
Would be nice to have, it provides the upstream GNOME backgrounds. Hrm, not sure which is the most appropriate pattern, though.
Isn't this required by gnome-branding-upstream then? :) Greetings, Stephan -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Le vendredi 28 mars 2008, à 13:04 +0100, Stephan Kulow a écrit :
Am Freitag 28 März 2008 schrieb Vincent Untz:
Le jeudi 27 mars 2008, à 14:48 +0100, Stephan Kulow a écrit :
evolution-webcal
Part of the default GNOME desktop, should be in the same pattern as evolution (gnome_basis). Not of the default GNOME of 10.3 though - otherwise it wouldn't have been in this list.
Sorry, I was thinking "upstream GNOME desktop". We really want this since it provides an easy way to subscribe to web calendars. It was probably forgotten in 10.3 and earlier :-)
gnome-backgrounds
Would be nice to have, it provides the upstream GNOME backgrounds. Hrm, not sure which is the most appropriate pattern, though. Isn't this required by gnome-branding-upstream then? :)
I'm not sure it'd be appropriate: the default upstream background isn't there and this package only provides additional backgrounds for users. But if you think it's the way to go, sure, we'll do that. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Freitag 28 März 2008 schrieb Vincent Untz:
Le vendredi 28 mars 2008, à 13:04 +0100, Stephan Kulow a écrit :
Am Freitag 28 März 2008 schrieb Vincent Untz:
Le jeudi 27 mars 2008, à 14:48 +0100, Stephan Kulow a écrit :
evolution-webcal
Part of the default GNOME desktop, should be in the same pattern as evolution (gnome_basis).
Not of the default GNOME of 10.3 though - otherwise it wouldn't have been in this list.
Sorry, I was thinking "upstream GNOME desktop". We really want this since it provides an easy way to subscribe to web calendars. It was probably forgotten in 10.3 and earlier :-)
I never saw the need to subscribe to a web calendar, so I'm unsure if this really should be part of the default installation. But if the GNOME team thinks so, it's fine. You just need to name another package to be dropped from the CD ;( Greetings, Stephan -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Le vendredi 28 mars 2008, à 13:31 +0100, Stephan Kulow a écrit :
Am Freitag 28 März 2008 schrieb Vincent Untz:
Le vendredi 28 mars 2008, à 13:04 +0100, Stephan Kulow a écrit :
Am Freitag 28 März 2008 schrieb Vincent Untz:
Le jeudi 27 mars 2008, à 14:48 +0100, Stephan Kulow a écrit :
evolution-webcal
Part of the default GNOME desktop, should be in the same pattern as evolution (gnome_basis).
Not of the default GNOME of 10.3 though - otherwise it wouldn't have been in this list.
Sorry, I was thinking "upstream GNOME desktop". We really want this since it provides an easy way to subscribe to web calendars. It was probably forgotten in 10.3 and earlier :-)
I never saw the need to subscribe to a web calendar, so I'm unsure if this really should be part of the default installation. But if the GNOME team thinks so, it's fine. You just need to name another package to be dropped from the CD ;(
Ouch. So ignore this package for now, I guess. We'll have space soon, though, since we've been reviewing the GNOME patterns: http://en.opensuse.org/GNOME/Pattern_Review I'll just add a note there that we want to add evolution-webcal when we'll have space. Thanks, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008, Stephan Kulow wrote:
So please review the list and give: package name, reason it should be on medium, pattern/topic to list it in Updated List is attached
umtsmon Reason: Despite NetworkManager finally offering UMTS support, I does not cover the full range of functionality umtsmon provides (like SMS or changing PIN as far as I can see), plus NetworkManager is a NoGo for many and actually failed to work or me in my last tests in March. Pattern: Laptop oprofile Reason: Commonly used tool for performance debugging, enabled by our kernels. Pattern: Base Development, though not necessarily enabled by default. wondershaper Reason: I see this recommended and used with certain regularity, though it is less clear cut than the first two. Pattern: Network Administration? xfsdump Reason: key for those using XFS file systems. Pattern: Enhanced Base System. That's it for now. :-) Care to send an updated list, or is the one from March 27th still representative? Gerald -- Dr. Gerald Pfeifer E gp@novell.com SUSE Linux Products GmbH Director Inbound Product Mgmt T +49(911)74053-0 HRB 16746 (AG Nuremberg) openSUSE/SUSE Linux Enterprise F +49(911)74053-483 GF: Markus Rex --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Sonntag, 6. April 2008 schrieb Gerald Pfeifer:
That's it for now. :-) Care to send an updated list, or is the one from March 27th still representative?
As we switch to image based installation, there are 200MB to save now. So different problem, different list :) Greetings, Stephan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On čtvrtek 27 březen 2008, Stephan Kulow wrote:
So please review the list and give: package name, reason it should be on medium, pattern/topic to list it in
I haven't seen these mentioned in other mails: iptraf - a nice tool for network monitoring - server or advanced user wiggle - I use it sometimes - should be in the same pattern as diff and patch Vladimir --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Stephan Kulow schreef:
Hi,
Since 10.3 I only put on the DVDs what's listed in a pattern. For 10.3 I didn't dare to do too many changes, so I left most of the 10.2 packages in a REST-DVD pattern.
But I want to get rid of this mass of unlisted packages, so here is the list of remaining packages. These are not Alpha3 and I would like some people to review the list for packages that should be on Beta1.
So please review the list and give: package name, reason it should be on medium, pattern/topic to list it in
Greetings, Stephan
You can leave out all if it was up to me.... I guess if they are needed, they will be available on a repo? I only use flac, but i would not know why i could not install it myself.... Same for gstreamer-plugins-good. I do not realy need those, all works without so... Good start to make SuSE loose fat ;) -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (Now or never...) Besturingssysteem: Linux 2.6.25-rc5-git2-5-default x86_64 Current user: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 System: openSUSE 11.0 (x86_64) Alpha3 KDE: 4.00.66 (KDE 4.0.66 >= 20080313) "release 6.1" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hi, here it is what I'd like to have on the disk without needing an internet connection: On Thursday 27 March 2008, Stephan Kulow wrote:
alsamixergui aumix One of them to have a command line mixer.
audacity Might make sense as there is no alternative.
bogofilter It's faster than spamassasin, that I don't see here, so probably it is on the DVD. Anyway, one is enough on the DVD.
htdig Used by the KDevelop documentation system and I think by KDE as well.
isapnp If you have an old PC with an ISA network card... :)
libavc1394 libcap-progs libcdio-utils libdc1394 libdvdnav libraw1394
I'd keep them to support digital video camcorders out of the box.
libpqxx I always had to download and install it, so would be nice on the DVD.
postgresql postgresql-contrib postgresql-server As with the above, I use postgresql on many systems.
privoxy Very useful, but if it isn't configured by default, only those who know about it will install. And as it is an internet tool, shouldn't be an issue to download from the net.
timidity Needed for MIDI on many hardware.
xine-ui I still use it many times instead of the KDE frontends...
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Am Freitag 28 März 2008 schrieb Andras Mantia:
Hi,
here it is what I'd like to have on the disk without needing an internet connection:
On Thursday 27 March 2008, Stephan Kulow wrote:
alsamixergui aumix
One of them to have a command line mixer. aumix was selected by others. I wish you had used the updated list to base your feedback.
isapnp
If you have an old PC with an ISA network card... :) Then I'm sorry for you :)
libavc1394 libcap-progs libcdio-utils libdc1394 libdvdnav libraw1394
I'd keep them to support digital video camcorders out of the box.
These are libs mostly, they hardly make DV camcorders work. And libcio-utils is: This library encapsulates CD-ROM reading and control So I discard that feedback. Greetings, Stephan -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 28 March 2008, Stephan Kulow wrote:
aumix was selected by others. I wish you had used the updated list to base your feedback.
Sorry, there were many unread mails and I saw the updated list only after I sent my reply.
libavc1394 libcap-progs libcdio-utils libdc1394 libdvdnav libraw1394
I'd keep them to support digital video camcorders out of the box.
These are libs mostly, they hardly make DV camcorders work.
Kino needs them, but hm, kino is not shipped with openSUSE, it seems. Here is what it really needs: 1. Install libdv 2. Install libraw1394 3. Install libavc1394 4. Install libiec61883 But of course this point is not valid if kino will not be on the DVD. Andras -- Quanta Plus developer - http://quanta.kdewebdev.org K Desktop Environment - http://www.kde.org
Am Freitag 28 März 2008 schrieb Andras Mantia:
But of course this point is not valid if kino will not be on the DVD.
And if it is, then these libs will be automatically on the DVD too. Greetings, Stephan -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Will these packages still be available via repositories? If not, then
here
are some that I would like to see stay on the DVD because I use them.
ckermit - connect to serial interfaces for hardware, only thing that
works reliably
pbbuttonsd - useful for uncooperative powerbooks
rsh-server - needed to support legacy applications
If these will still be available via repository, then there is probably
no need to put them on the DVD.
Thanks,
Toni
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From: Stephan Kulow
Am Sonntag, 30. März 2008 schrieb Toni Harbaugh-Blackford:
Will these packages still be available via repositories? If not, then here are some that I would like to see stay on the DVD because I use them.
No, these is purely about the DVD. The factory repository has 5383+1313 i586+noarch packages (not counting non-oss and debug). The i586 DVD only 3148 atm. And the build service repositories have like 30.000 more. So we're only looking at a small fraction that have to stay on DVD. Greetings, Stephan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Stephan Kulow wrote:
Hi,
Since 10.3 I only put on the DVDs what's listed in a pattern. For 10.3 I didn't dare to do too many changes, so I left most of the 10.2 packages in a REST-DVD pattern.
But I want to get rid of this mass of unlisted packages, so here is the list of remaining packages. These are not Alpha3 and I would like some people to review the list for packages that should be on Beta1.
So please review the list and give: package name, reason it should be on medium, pattern/topic to list it in
from intersection of my packages and your list: * aumix - text based mixer, which also has quite wide command line options for non-interactive use. group: console utilities, audio * xpdf - a must have. Considering discussion about poppler: could we have it on 11.0 and possibly drop it before 11.1 (aka SLE11) in case some lightweight frontend for poppler appears? (I just wanted to write "emerges" yet it reminded me of something...) :) group: basic X software others: + alsa* - similar to aumix. Included in virtually any distribution, users moving to openSUSE would be confused not finding it. group: console utilities, audio + gv - xpdf for PostScript - lightweight basic utility. group: basic X software + xawtv - again: IMHO quite basic tool for v4l. group: X, video Best regards Petr --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Petr Cerny wrote:
Stephan Kulow wrote:
Hi,
Since 10.3 I only put on the DVDs what's listed in a pattern. For 10.3 I didn't dare to do too many changes, so I left most of the 10.2 packages in a REST-DVD pattern.
But I want to get rid of this mass of unlisted packages, so here is the list of remaining packages. These are not Alpha3 and I would like some people to review the list for packages that should be on Beta1.
So please review the list and give: package name, reason it should be on medium, pattern/topic to list it in
from intersection of my packages and your list:
I forgot makedev, which is needed for compliance with FHS. -------- FHS 2.3: /dev : Device files Purpose The /dev directory is the location of special or device files. Specific Options If it is possible that devices in /dev will need to be manually created, /dev must contain a command named MAKEDEV, which can create devices as needed. It may also contain a MAKEDEV.local for any local devices. If required, MAKEDEV must have provisions for creating any device that may be found on the system, not just those that a particular implementation installs. -------- Best regards Petr --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Stephan Kulow escribió:
package name,
php5-zip
reason it should be on medium,
it is very useful. pattern/topic to list it in in the LAMP pattern. -- "Freedom of religion also means freedom **from** religion" - Anonymous Cristian Rodríguez R. Platform/OpenSUSE - Core Services SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Research & Development http://www.opensuse.org/
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Carlos E. R. -
Cristian Rodríguez -
Felix Möller -
Gerald Pfeifer -
Greg KH -
Johannes Meixner -
Klaus Singvogel -
Ladislav Slezak -
Ludwig Nussel -
Martin Schlander -
Oddball -
Petr Cerny -
Ralf Haferkamp -
Roger Whittaker -
Stephan Kulow -
Toni Harbaugh-Blackford -
Vincent Untz -
Vladimir Nadvornik -
Volker Kuhlmann