On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote:

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Hello When is the next update due on http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/factory/repo/oss/ - the last update i see is 14-Oct-2009

on http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-commit/2009-10/date3.html - I see commits up to 22 October, 2009

There seem to be more problems, I cannot see packages for cdrtools. Why are these packages missing?

There was some talk about including cdrtools some time ago but it lead nowhere cause the cdrtools developer was incredible stubborn and showed an amazing attitude (to say it politely) that made it impossible for him to accept any other opinion than his own regardless of the argument. The problem is that the opinions about the compatibility of the cdrtools license slightly diverged and he refused to dual license cdrtools which would solve the problem within the blink of an eye. Perhaps you can convince him? best Stephan

Jörg

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Andreas Jaeger wrote:

On Friday 23 October 2009 10:53:56 Joerg Schilling wrote:

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Hello When is the next update due on http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/factory/repo/oss/ - the last update i see is 14-Oct-2009

on http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-commit/2009-10/date3.html - I see commits up to 22 October, 2009

There seem to be more problems, I cannot see packages for cdrtools. Why are these packages missing?

cdrtools is in the Base:System project and distributed that way and just

I cannot find it in the repositories named above, this is my question. Could you please answer this question. If cdrtools is part of the base system, why are the packages not at the place (see above) where other similar packages could be found?

looking at it, the packaging and the setup does not look sane. Who's the maintainer of the package? I see the following problems and the maintainer should fix these:

We did have an in depth discussion on the package in the first week of september. During this time, several fixes have been made (e.g. adding suid root to some files in order to allow them to be able to work and adding some files that mkisofs needs for the character translation). If you don't like it the way it is now, why didn't you ask 8 weeks ago?

* The package in Base:System links to a home project, it should be the other way round.

??? Could you please explain this? I don't understand you. The fact that the packaging for cdrtools is made as a "home project" is a result of the fact that Suse did not provide the packages although they are needed by the users.

* There's no changelog in the package, please add a cdrkit.changes file * Modification of /etc/permissions.local is not allowed

We are not talking about the cdrkit package but about the free original. The cdrtools source contains a very detailed changelog and the suse package also contains a suse specific changelog file. This this not enough? If you have problems with the package itself, you should ask the person who makes the package. I am shure he is open to useful input. BTW: the package fixes a bug in the suse distro as the entries for cdrecord, cdda2wav, readcd and rscsi to allow suid root are missing. Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) joerg.schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Cristian Morales Vega wrote:

I know a name as "Base:System" sound kind of serious. But that's the same for everything... the games repository has a lot of games, some of them are in the main repo and others aren't.

Then the names are missleading..

Reading http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2009-08/msg00120.html, he said: "And if Henning (?) likes to submit the package to openSUSE:Factory...". Again, openSUSE:Factory isn't the same than Base:System. The former has official support, the later doesn't.

Well penSUSE:Factory includes cdrkit which is (besides the fact that is cannot be legally distributed) unsupported - there are more than 100 well known bugs that prevent usability and there is no attempt to fix them. Cdrtools on the other side _is_ well supported - there are no known bugs/problem in the code.

It's just the way how the Build Service works. You can "link" a package from on repository to another. It's ok to link a package from Base:System to your home repository in case you want to "play" with it, once you are sure about your changes then you submit them to Base:System. Linking from a home project to Base:System is "wrong"... mostly cosmetical, but makes little sense for an "important" repository to link against a less important repository.

The way it is seems to be the way that was intended by the suse people. We had a related discussion 8 weeks ago and the current situation is a result of this discussion.

In the linked message it was already said that "Unfortunately we're after the feature freeze for 11.2", so if there is any option for cdrtools to be in openSUSE it will be for 11.3. If this is going to

What was the situation 8 weeks ago? Anyway: My impression is that starting to ship cdrtools again is a bug fix for software that is currently only shipped in a broken variant (fork). It also helps to get rid of a problem with the legality of cdrkit.

happen the first step is for someone to say (with an osc submitreq) "look, this is my package, I'm going to support it for 18 months. I request it to be included in the main repo."... and then the case will be studied (spec file quality, legal problems, etc.). You can ask Henning to do so. If he doesn't wants you can do it (perhaps if your offer to help with the support he will accept...). Anyway all this would be for 11.3. Meanwhile any 11.2 user will be able to use the package from Base:System. But right now it doesn't even compiles (error: "could not apply patch 'project.diff'"), so...

There is no need to apply any patch as this is supported software. If it does not compile, then there yould be a problem in the suse base system (e.g. in the include files). But if you look at the repository, you see that there are binaries. Finally: the whole problem is a social problem that was created by a hostile packager at Debian. We, the OSS community need to find a way to deal with such social problems and we need to be prepared for other hostile downstreams. We need to analyze how this hostile person could be successful at all and how to prevent similar things from happening in the future. Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) joerg.schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 05:06:11PM +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

On Friday 23 October 2009 10:53:56 Joerg Schilling wrote:

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Hello When is the next update due on http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/factory/repo/oss/ - the last update i see is 14-Oct-2009

on http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-commit/2009-10/date3.html - I see commits up to 22 October, 2009

There seem to be more problems, I cannot see packages for cdrtools. Why are these packages missing?

cdrtools is in the Base:System project and distributed that way and just looking at it, the packaging and the setup does not look sane. Who's the maintainer of the package? I see the following problems and the maintainer should fix these:

* The package in Base:System links to a home project, it should be the other way round. * There's no changelog in the package, please add a cdrkit.changes file * Modification of /etc/permissions.local is not allowed

I fixed the build and packaging issues to make it acceptable for Base:System, and packages have now built and it can get submitreqs like any other package. Same for smake. Ciao, Marcus (for the Base:System devel group ;) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org