Marco, If anyone wants to step in and work on it, that's OK. The packages belong to the community and openSUSE (same goes for MATE which is in a working state). I have really not much motivation to work those out, while Unity was my first big adventure and I have still something stuck in my throat about failing on it (as we say in Portugal: 'ainda me está atravessado na garganta'). If someone wants to step up for MATE or Cinnamon, just drop me an email and I'll grant ownership for maintenance, as long as the repos are properly taken care of and not to happen what happened to GNOME:Ayatana which is really sad to look after hundreds of work hours on it. NM 2012/8/9 Marco Calistri :

On Thu 09 Aug 2012 at 14:19:19 (-0300 UTC) Nelson Marques wrote:

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people,

currently Unity Desktop requires nearly no vendor patches and most stuff is already upstreamed; there is one exception though regarding Unity and it comes with the (in)famous Menu Proxy patch on GTK+ which isn't upstreamed.

On a fedora list I got word from GTK+ maintainers (John McCann if I'm not mistaken) that Canonical and GTK+ were working together to neutralize this situation and canonical will move to GMenus. This will allow this patch to be dropped in the near future (most likely already 3.6).

This is currently the only patch we need as all the rest is done. My work current status on X11:Unity is:

- uTouch stack > Done (needs some cleanups only); - Base libraries > A few done (missing the hardcore stuff after GTK+ patching is sorted); - Compiz > 80% done locally (will be called compiz-unity and will provide/obsolete other versions of compiz, namelly the 0.8.x); - Indicators > 0% done (this is a day work). - Lenz and other minor stuff > 0%. - KDE Stuff > Not gonna happen by my hand until everything is secured. Once we have Unity going, I'll look into that if I have someone who is fluent with KDE to own those packages.

so it's happening, prepare to storm the news channels before the end of the month.

One last thing:

Can we have the menu proxy patch for 12.2 on GTK+ so we don't need to replace any components from the base distro? Fedora is moving this way. And this time we will have Unity for sure. GNOME:Ayatana has been dropped by me, as most of the previous has been object of changes I really don't like.

NM

Nelson,

Please apology for my OT, but I would like to continue enjoying Cinnamon on 12.2 and beyond.

Have you any comments on this matter?

Will Cinnamon get a continuation?

Regards,

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On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Nelson Marques wrote:

Marco,

If anyone wants to step in and work on it, that's OK. The packages belong to the community and openSUSE (same goes for MATE which is in a working state). I have really not much motivation to work those out, while Unity was my first big adventure and I have still something stuck in my throat about failing on it (as we say in Portugal: 'ainda me está atravessado na garganta').

If someone wants to step up for MATE or Cinnamon, just drop me an email and I'll grant ownership for maintenance, as long as the repos are properly taken care of and not to happen what happened to GNOME:Ayatana which is really sad to look after hundreds of work hours on it.

NM

I spent almost a week with Linux Mint (both the 13 / Ubuntu and Debian / "rolling release" versions) with both MATE and Cinnamon. Their version (both desktops) look remarkably like the old openSUSE 11.x GNOME 2 "slab" interface. The Linux Mint color scheme is lovely and the overall UI is better than Unity, but I'm very happy with "stock" GNOME 3 or GNOME 3 fallback mode on weaker graphics cards. I really don't see the point of MATE and Cinnamon except for people who can't stand Unity. Then again, I'm happy with LXDE - more RAM for the browser and R! ;-) -- Twitter: http://twitter.com/znmeb; Computational Journalism Publishers Workbench: http://j.mp/QCsXOr Data is the new coal - abundant, dirty and difficult to mine. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Fri 10 Aug 2012 at 8:31:43 (-0300 UTC) Jigish Gohil wrote:

On Fri, Aug 10, 2012 at 2:23 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:

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On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Nelson Marques wrote:

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Marco,

If anyone wants to step in and work on it, that's OK. The packages belong to the community and openSUSE (same goes for MATE which is in a working state). I have really not much motivation to work those out, while Unity was my first big adventure and I have still something stuck in my throat about failing on it (as we say in Portugal: 'ainda me está atravessado na garganta').

If someone wants to step up for MATE or Cinnamon, just drop me an email and I'll grant ownership for maintenance, as long as the repos are properly taken care of and not to happen what happened to GNOME:Ayatana which is really sad to look after hundreds of work hours on it.

NM

There are latest packages in home:cyberorg:cinnamon, but can't commit for long term maintenance, even though there are just 2 packages.

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I spent almost a week with Linux Mint (both the 13 / Ubuntu and Debian / "rolling release" versions) with both MATE and Cinnamon. Their version (both desktops) look remarkably like the old openSUSE 11.x GNOME 2 "slab" interface. The Linux Mint color scheme is lovely and the overall UI is better than Unity, but I'm very happy with "stock" GNOME 3 or GNOME 3 fallback mode on weaker graphics cards. I really don't see the point of MATE and Cinnamon except for people who can't stand Unity. Then again, I'm happy with LXDE - more RAM for the browser and R! ;-)

Like gnome-shell, cinnamon got nice fallback mode too "cinnamon2d"

Cheers

-J

Thanks Jigish! Rgds, Marco -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

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I don't see the patch in the Fedora package right now. Do you have a source for this?

Vincent, nevermind about this and lets forget Fedora for a while; I've talked to seb128 on #ubuntu-unity and I guess we won't need the patch, at the expense of: 1) Sound indicator (since it requires ido, which does require one patch); 2) Gay sliders (I think we can live very well without them); 3) App Menu (no mac OSX like menu's) This might be good enough for a few test runs, and hopefully it will be improved later. It was discussed in a mix between me and some people in fedora-devel, IRC and gtalk. I'll keep this updated, I'm almost getting to a Unity build (no lenz, half compiz, etc etc...); let me work this out first so we can look at this later. NM -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org