Hi, On Do, Aug 27, 2009 at 06:40:33 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:

Le jeudi 27 août 2009, à 18:16 +0200, Halim Sahin a écrit :

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Hi,

A11y status of current factory: openSUSE-GNOME-LiveCD-i686-Build0246-Media.iso

1. Espeak package broken (doesn't output something through pulseaudio). 2. python-louis doesn't install the needed liblouis package 3. No braille in orca 4. orca can't be started because of missing louis stuff 5. no news from bug http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=508611

Is someone working on these problems?

2 and 4 are the same issue as far as I know, and it's fixed in GNOME:Factory.

As you can read in my mail i have used factory packages. Is gnome:factory another repo???

3 is most likely happening because brld cannot be used anymore, and we don't have a brltty package. Someone from the accessibility team should step up and tell us what's the right solution here -- either update the brld patch, or package brltty.

There will be no need for brltty :-)

No idea about 1 and 5.

1 could be another anoying pulse problem. 5. I don't know which opensuse branding makes firefox inaccessible. The official version works out of the box.

Vincent BR. Halim

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Hi, Can we expect more official support from novell here? Regards Halim -- Halim Sahin E-Mail: halim.sahin (at) t-online.de -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Hi, On Do, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:16:30 -0500, Bryen M Yunashko wrote:

On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 19:13 +0200, Halim Sahin wrote:

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Hi, Can we expect more official support from novell here? Regards Halim

That's the hope that Stephen has in getting the channel going and looking into other ways to bring more attention to this matter.

There are other needed stuff to be done before starting such a channel. Opensuse needs support from developers who are able to understand and solve a11y related bugs. This is the most anoying problem currently. Read my firefox bug http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=508611#c8

But it s not just Novell help that's needed. The problem has always been two-fold. 1) Get more official support yes, but also 2) get more testers. We don't seem to have a large number of a11y users just yet to do the necessary testing. And that's critical.

Nack for 2, read above. It's not only the tests. I have written a list of current broken things which should be solved for opensuse 11.2. For 3. We have a possible fix but this needs some work from opensuse developers or from novell. The stuff needs to be packaged etc. It seems that nobody takes the responsibility on desktop-a11y related problem (currently). This must change. Gnome 3.0 is ariving soon. gnomespeech will be deprecated. speech-dispatcher must be integrated on livecd ..... This can't be done by testing only. Regards Halim -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

hi,

first of all
sorry Stephan and Halim I replied to you guys and not to the list

On Thu, 27 Aug 2009, Bryen M Yunashko wrote:

> On Thu, 2009-08-27 at 19:45 +0200, Halim Sahin wrote:
>> There are other needed stuff to be done before starting such a
>> channel.
>> Opensuse needs support from developers who are able to understand and
>> solve a11y related bugs.
>> This is the most anoying problem currently.
>> Read my firefox bug
>> http://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=508611#c8
>
> The biggest problem, from my viewpoint, has been a lack of coordination.
> Are there people in Novell who work on a11y and understand it?  Yes.
> Stephen himself works on an a11y team in Provo.
yes, correct - let's split the a11y issue in two parts
1. the application part
- which interface makes an application accessible
- which functions/methods are avaiable to collect information about
    controls, text, attributes  etc.

2. the distribution and screenreader part
- which configuration is the best for the end-user to use/install opensuse
- how should we combine gnome and console screenreading
- what is the best configurtion for speech
- what is the best for braille
- how can we combine speech and braille

an aplications that supports/provides  a11y interfaces
does not make a distribution accessible

if the screenreader is not configured correctly and/or the sound is not 
working
the visually impaired user is not able to use the distribution - so it is 
not accessible

a11y is very complex - it depends on many other packages not only on orca, 
sbl, espeak, speechd

if there are changes in pulseaudio or alsa, gnome, udev, python etc. we 
have to check if this will work for the a11y configuration

and we have to check this again and again and again
and in most cases we have to modify/adjust our configuration and/or add 
improvements to the screenreaders

OK, that was JFYI to get an very short overview of a11y

let's come back to opensuse 11.2:
in the latest orca the braille interface has changed - so my patch does 
no longer work with orca
that's why I added brlapi.py to the sbl package
many thanks to Halim Sahin - he was/is a very helpful contributor
currently it is only available in my home repo
http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/marco

maybe, I'll have time this weekend to improve the package and check 
it in to factory

I also updated the speechd package - the espeak driver was missing on 11.1

but I don't know if opensuse 11.2 will be accessible or not

there are so many other little (but time consuming) things to do


marco








> When I first got involved with the community nearly 2 years ago and
> focused on a11y, my biggest problem was that it took many many months to
> figure out who was involved in a11y.  I mean MANY months.   And I'm
> still even today, unsure if I have figured out who everyone is.
>
> As a matter of fact, Stephen and I stumbled across each other during an
> IRC conversation when for a few weeks prior, neither of us knew about
> the other's interest in a11y.
>
> So that's where Stephen's initiative comes from.
>
> Also we have created http://en.opensuse.org/Accessibility a while back,
> which needs some love to get up to date again.
>
>
>
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