* Olaf Hering [03-14-14 03:58]:

On Thu, Mar 13, Johannes Kastl wrote:

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Is there any particular reason, why the virtualization-project (https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/Virtualization) is not built against/for tumbleweed? If not, could one of the maintainers please correct that?

Is there a particular reason why the 13.1 repository in Virtualization is not good enough?

I will try to answer this. Tumbleweed *only* matches 13.1 repos when 13.1 is very new and after aligns more closely with 13.1-Updates but not completely and in the future will be aligned with 13.2 or the successor to 13.1. A Tumbleweed user adding 13.1 repos is looking for future, and maybe even present, unforseen problems Greg KH advises *only*: openSUSE Current OSS openSUSE Current OSS debug openSUSE Current OSS non-OSS openSUSE Current OSS updates Tumbleweed (standard) You can see that 13.1 doesn't fit. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

* Stefan Seyfried [03-14-14 19:29]:

Am 14.03.2014 14:37, schrieb Patrick Shanahan:

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Greg KH advises *only*: openSUSE Current OSS

which is 13.1

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openSUSE Current OSS debug

which is 13.1-debug

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openSUSE Current OSS non-OSS

which is 13.1-non-oss

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openSUSE Current OSS updates

which is 13.1-updates

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Tumbleweed (standard)

You can see that 13.1 doesn't fit.

I cannot see that.

The equate to 13.1 *now*, but when 13.1+ is out, they will not. So that's what.

BTW, Virtualization/Tumbleweed also wouldn't fit, so what?

But it is built for Tumbleweed and while Greg does not advise it, I have it and other *designated* Tumbleweed builds integrated into my desktop system. Would you advise adding a 12.3 repo to a 13.1 install or the opposite, as 13.1 repo to a 12.3 install. They both might work, for a while, or not. A little common sense is definitely applicable. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

* Stefan Seyfried [03-14-14 19:39]:

Am 15.03.2014 00:35, schrieb Patrick Shanahan:

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The equate to 13.1 *now*, but when 13.1+ is out, they will not. So that's what.

Well, when 13.2 is out, then Virtualization will also get 13.2 enabled.

But the *idea* of Tumbleweed is a semi-tranparent continual version upgrade and using Tumbleweed repos does not require the <user> to drop one repo and install another as in *this* case.

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BTW, Virtualization/Tumbleweed also wouldn't fit, so what?

But it is built for Tumbleweed and while Greg does not advise it, I have it and other *designated* Tumbleweed builds integrated into my desktop system.

But as long as no vital dependencies for the Virtualization packages are much newer in Tumbleweed, that will not make a difference.

And you have included a limiting parameter. *What* if dependencies *are* changed?

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Would you advise adding a 12.3 repo to a 13.1 install or the opposite, as 13.1 repo to a 12.3 install. They both might work, for a while, or not.

No, but Tumbleweed is not 13.2, it is 13.1 plus a few selected updates.

That is correct and it is not "13.1" as you have indicated. It is "Tumbleweed". This argument can continue ad .... and while *you* are *specifically* correct, your logic is not as Tumbleweed is intended and will eventually cause problems, especially for one not understanding. One may also utilize rpm's from other distros and/or compile from tar-ball and see no *immediate* problems, but will eventually get bit unless he possesses the knowledge, ability and resources to solve the problem he creates. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

* Olaf Hering [03-17-14 05:28]:

On Fri, Mar 14, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Stefan Seyfried [03-14-14 19:39]:

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Am 15.03.2014 00:35, schrieb Patrick Shanahan:

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The equate to 13.1 *now*, but when 13.1+ is out, they will not. So that's what.

Well, when 13.2 is out, then Virtualization will also get 13.2 enabled.

But the *idea* of Tumbleweed is a semi-tranparent continual version upgrade and using Tumbleweed repos does not require the <user> to drop one repo and install another as in *this* case.

If thats the case, you certainly have a point.

But as of today it would mean that all "openSUSE_13.1" repos get dropped in favor of a "openSUSE_Tumbleweed" repo. And by the time Tumbleweed builds against the next release (13.2) everything gets a "openSUSE_13.1" repo, but no "openSUSE_13.2" repo.

No, iiuc, Greg KH determines when openSUSE "Version", 13.2 in the current case, is palatable and redirects the openSUSE "Current ..." and Tumbleweed (standard ...) repos to use 13.2 builds. Tumbleweed repos essentially represent *Current* versions builds. "Or" I misunderstand your statement.

While I can easily adjust Virtualization to burn more OBS and mirroring resources, its not the call of Virtualization maintainers to make such decision. Instead some clear guidelines have to be defined and written down (with reasoning!) how addon repos have to look like.

While *many* packagers appear to have decided on their own to provide Tumbleweed builds, some packagers have provided Tw builds based on user requests. I fail to understand the need for guidelines other than acknowledging user *requests*. Aside the current conversation, your contributions as a packager are much appreciated. Thankyou -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 17.03.2014 10:25 Olaf Hering wrote:

While I can easily adjust Virtualization to burn more OBS and mirroring resources, its not the call of Virtualization maintainers to make such decision.

I was away for some time, has anything been happening in regard to this issue? Regards, Johannes - -- Is our children learning? (George W. Bush) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SeaMonkey - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlMtO0AACgkQzi3gQ/xETbKi6gCgkEOGl7ikAe+m6FAsGta6CA3F IKoAoIuIYF4dWiIULsWkireqvaEW1mKm =jwYu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Stefan, On 22.03.14 15:32 Stefan Seyfried wrote:

Am 22.03.2014 08:26, schrieb Johannes Kastl:

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On 17.03.2014 10:25 Olaf Hering wrote:

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While I can easily adjust Virtualization to burn more OBS and mirroring resources, its not the call of Virtualization maintainers to make such decision.

I was away for some time, has anything been happening in regard to this issue?

There is no issue. The 13.1 repositories will just work fine with Tumbleweed.

Actually, I'll have to try it, as no one seems to need this combination but me. So I'll let you know what happens... Maybe I misunderstood, what Tumbleweed was about. Maybe all the stuff in Virtualization should be in Tumbleweed itself. Greg, wanna have a say? Regards, Johannes - -- Working with Unix is like wrestling a worthy opponent. Working with windows is like attacking a small whining child who is carrying a .38. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 Comment: Using GnuPG with SeaMonkey - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlMvNQUACgkQzi3gQ/xETbIdcQCfU1JdjzJjFhy2NNWAKglBgwv+ hnEAn0Hl9bxZgwWwn6BOVoXvHOn7ub6N =4kZg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org