[opensuse-factory] [status report] openSUSE distribution, week 17
Hi, Beta1 is out and we see a lot of testing by a lot of you, many thanks for that. You can see the status of it in the list of most annoying bugs - not too bad, not too good either :) But I want to stress an important page, that Holgi was so nice to put together: the list of implemented features: http://en.opensuse.org/Testing:Features_11.0 Why is this important? Because these features are often the reason for changes that cause bugs and as such are the central thing to test for new products. So beside your usual "this is what I'm doing with it" testing, it would be perfect if everyone could look at some. For details how we think it could be done, see the text on the page:
If you want to help testing, select the feature you want to test, edit this page and set it's "Testing Result" to "running" when starting the tests. After finishing the test, please edit the page again and set the result either to "passed" or to "failed".
If the test do not pass, please also create a bug report in Bugzilla (see Bug Reporting FAQ for details) including the "Feature No".
If you are unable to finish the test, please reset the status from "running" to "idle".
Thanks a lot for your support. Please note that this is the first time we're doing it this way. Hopefully we'll have better tools for future versions, so we'll gladly hear your feedback on what works and what doesn't. Greetings, Stephan -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Stephan Kulow napsal(a):
Hi,
Beta1 is out and we see a lot of testing by a lot of you, many thanks for that. You can see the status of it in the list of most annoying bugs - not too bad, not too good either :)
But I want to stress an important page, that Holgi was so nice to put together: the list of implemented features:
If would be nice if we had some filters for that page: * Category: Configuration, Installation, YaST, Desktop ... * Status: Implementation, Done, Verified * Test status: Idle, Pending, ... Reported (bug#), Works fine ;) There are currently 207 features on one page and that's not well-readable. L.
Lukas Ocilka schreef:
Stephan Kulow napsal(a):
Hi,
Beta1 is out and we see a lot of testing by a lot of you, many thanks for that. You can see the status of it in the list of most annoying bugs - not too bad, not too good either :)
But I want to stress an important page, that Holgi was so nice to put together: the list of implemented features:
If would be nice if we had some filters for that page:
* Category: Configuration, Installation, YaST, Desktop ... * Status: Implementation, Done, Verified * Test status: Idle, Pending, ... Reported (bug#), Works fine ;)
There are currently 207 features on one page and that's not well-readable.
L.
Pffff.. Its quite a lot yeah.. I agree to chop it to eatable chunks too ;0 -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.25-rc8-12-default x86_64 Current user: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 System: openSUSE 11.0 (x86_64) Alpha3 KDE: 4.00.68 (KDE 4.0.68 >= 20080402) "release 6.4" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2008-04-22 at 12:48 +0200, Stephan Kulow wrote:
Hi,
Beta1 is out and we see a lot of testing by a lot of you, many thanks for that. You can see the status of it in the list of most annoying bugs - not too bad, not too good either :)
But I want to stress an important page, that Holgi was so nice to put together: the list of implemented features:
http://en.opensuse.org/Testing:Features_11.0
Why is this important? Because these features are often the reason for changes that cause bugs and as such are the central thing to test for new products. So beside your usual "this is what I'm doing with it" testing, it would be perfect if everyone could look at some.
For details how we think it could be done, see the text on the page:
If you want to help testing, select the feature you want to test, edit this page and set it's "Testing Result" to "running" when starting the tests. After finishing the test, please edit the page again and set the result either to "passed" or to "failed".
If the test do not pass, please also create a bug report in Bugzilla (see Bug Reporting FAQ for details) including the "Feature No".
If you are unable to finish the test, please reset the status from "running" to "idle".
Thanks a lot for your support. Please note that this is the first time we're doing it this way. Hopefully we'll have better tools for future versions, so we'll gladly hear your feedback on what works and what doesn't.
Greetings, Stephan
This page is an extremely good idea and a very nice addition for
testing. This could also be useful for marketing, e.g. "207 new features
in openSUSE 11.0" if ya want to go all Apple style ;-)
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Kevin "Yo" Dupuy | Public Mail
Hello, on Dienstag, 22. April 2008, Stephan Kulow wrote:
Beta1 is out and we see a lot of testing by a lot of you, many thanks for that. You can see the status of it in the list of most annoying bugs - not too bad, not too good either :)
I'd call the status quite good for a beta1 - at least for my usecases.
But I want to stress an important page, that Holgi was so nice to put together: the list of implemented features:
http://en.opensuse.org/Testing:Features_11.0
Why is this important? Because these features are often the reason for changes that cause bugs and as such are the central thing to test for new products. So beside your usual "this is what I'm doing with it" testing, it would be perfect if everyone could look at some.
The list is also great to answer the question "What's new in 11.0?" :-)
For details how we think it could be done, see the text on the page:
If you want to help testing, select the feature you want to test, edit this page and set it's "Testing Result" to "running" when starting the tests. ... If you are unable to finish the test, please reset the status from "running" to "idle".
Lazy people could also skip the "running" status and only set the status to "passed" or "failed" ;-) I'd like to propose that people should sign off the test result with their username ("--~~~~"). Advantages: - you know who has run a test and can ask for details, if necessary (try to find out after 40 edits when no username is stated... ;-) - maybe two persons running the test get different results. With the username added, everybody could add "his" result. Oh, and if a test failes, a link to the bugreport ("{{bug|123456}}") should be added. (Wiki page not changed yet - I'd like to hear some feedback first.)
Thanks a lot for your support. Please note that this is the first time we're doing it this way. Hopefully we'll have better tools for future versions, so we'll gladly hear your feedback on what works and what doesn't.
It was already said that a wiki page with about 200 items is too large. What about using the old betatestdb.suse.de for this? I think it should work for this usecase. I'd like to add another issue: Some of the features lack a useful description - take "Easy-to-use time/date applet needed (Feature No: 4134)" as an example. The only thing I can see is that it is desktop-related (what a surprise...), but the description is empty. Therefore it's impossible to comment on it if I don't know what it is about. I guess the page was auto-generated from FATE (which is OK in general, I don't want to force anybody to do it manually) - but please go through the page and add some details in cases like described above. One more: Some features include links to bugzilla.suse.de which are redirected to bugzilla.novell.com. Unfortunately the redirect leads to the wrong page. http://bugzilla.suse.de/show_bug.cgi?id=34654 redirects to https://bugzilla.novell.com/index.cgi?id=34654 but should go to https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=suse34654 (yes, the "suse" part in the id is correct - AFAIK all bugs that were in bugzilla.suse.de got an alias "suse<original bug number>".) Oh, and I have just set two features to "passed" :-) Regards, Christian Boltz -- vi-Befehle sind sogar relativ einfach zu merken. Wenn man einmal weiß, was dw db de d) d( d} d{ dd d^ d$ d0 dG sowie cw und yw machen, dann weiß man auch, was cb ce c) c( c} c{ cc c^ c$ c0 cG sowie yb ye y) y( y} y{ yy y^ y$ y0 yG machen. [Bernd Bordesser in suse-linux] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hi Christian,
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Why is this important? Because these features are often the reason for changes that cause bugs and as such are the central thing to test for new products. So beside your usual "this is what I'm doing with it" testing, it would be perfect if everyone could look at some.
The list is also great to answer the question "What's new in 11.0?" :-)
For details how we think it could be done, see the text on the page:
If you want to help testing, select the feature you want to test, edit this page and set it's "Testing Result" to "running" when starting the tests. ... If you are unable to finish the test, please reset the status from "running" to "idle".
Lazy people could also skip the "running" status and only set the status to "passed" or "failed" ;-)
I'd like to propose that people should sign off the test result with their username ("--~~~~"). Advantages: - you know who has run a test and can ask for details, if necessary (try to find out after 40 edits when no username is stated... ;-) - maybe two persons running the test get different results. With the username added, everybody could add "his" result.
Oh, and if a test failes, a link to the bugreport ("{{bug|123456}}") should be added.
(Wiki page not changed yet - I'd like to hear some feedback first.)
I'm fine with that improvements.
Thanks a lot for your support. Please note that this is the first time we're doing it this way. Hopefully we'll have better tools for future versions, so we'll gladly hear your feedback on what works and what doesn't.
It was already said that a wiki page with about 200 items is too large.
Sure the list is quite long, but every feature can be edited on his own.
What about using the old betatestdb.suse.de for this? I think it should work for this usecase.
It's not an option anymore.
I'd like to add another issue:
Some of the features lack a useful description - take "Easy-to-use time/date applet needed (Feature No: 4134)" as an example. The only thing I can see is that it is desktop-related (what a surprise...), but the description is empty. Therefore it's impossible to comment on it if I don't know what it is about.
I guess the page was auto-generated from FATE (which is OK in general, I don't want to force anybody to do it manually) - but please go through the page and add some details in cases like described above.
That's true for some features. My suggestion is to leave this features untouched for the moment. Otherwise it can be set to someting like NEEDINFO as an hint to add some more information for us.
One more: Some features include links to bugzilla.suse.de which are redirected to bugzilla.novell.com. Unfortunately the redirect leads to the wrong page.
http://bugzilla.suse.de/show_bug.cgi?id=34654 redirects to https://bugzilla.novell.com/index.cgi?id=34654 but should go to https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=suse34654 (yes, the "suse" part in the id is correct - AFAIK all bugs that were in bugzilla.suse.de got an alias "suse<original bug number>".)
Fixed that.
Oh, and I have just set two features to "passed" :-)
Thanks a lot for your feedback and your support. Best wishes, Holgi --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Well, yes 200 items is indeed very long list. Maybe it can be categorized. Add main topics, like in bugzilla, and what doesn't belong, will be in "Other Category". Categories like: -KDE -GNOME -Yast -Kernel -... -- -Alexey Eromenko "Technologov" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Tue 22 Apr 2008 22:48:18 NZST +1200, Stephan Kulow wrote:
But I want to stress an important page, that Holgi was so nice to put together: the list of implemented features:
Very useful - thanks for that! (Reminds me of the old test case web page that went on forever too.) There is confusion though: plenty of entries with status=done but result=idle. That shouldn't happen - if the test is done, the result should be pass or fail. And what is status=implementation? Thanks, Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag, 24. April 2008 schrieb Volker Kuhlmann:
On Tue 22 Apr 2008 22:48:18 NZST +1200, Stephan Kulow wrote:
But I want to stress an important page, that Holgi was so nice to put together: the list of implemented features:
Very useful - thanks for that! (Reminds me of the old test case web page that went on forever too.)
There is confusion though: plenty of entries with status=done but result=idle. That shouldn't happen - if the test is done, the result should be pass or fail. And what is status=implementation?
Did you read my mail other than the link? This is a list of features, idle means no-one tested it. Greetings, Stephan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Stephan Kulow schreef:
Did you read my mail other than the link? This is a list of features, idle means no-one tested it.
Greetings, Stephan
I read it also, but it was not clear, but now it is: thnx. -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.25-rc8-12-default x86_64 Current user: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 System: openSUSE 11.0 (x86_64) Alpha3 KDE: 4.00.68 (KDE 4.0.68 >= 20080402) "release 6.4" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Fri 25 Apr 2008 03:14:58 NZST +1200, Stephan Kulow wrote:
There is confusion though: plenty of entries with status=done but result=idle. That shouldn't happen - if the test is done, the result should be pass or fail. And what is status=implementation?
Did you read my mail other than the link? This is a list of features, idle means no-one tested it.
Yes I do read all your emails. And the part you are referring to I read at least twice at http://en.opensuse.org/Testing:Features_11.0#openSUSE_11.0_Feature_Test_List from where you copied it. It does not mention the status field, and that is the first I see when I want to know whether a test has already been done. If you meant to say "ignore the status field", why on earth did you put it there in the first place? Creating confusion can't be in your interest, but that's what it does to me (and to the other person in this thread too). Thanks, Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hi Volker,
There is confusion though: plenty of entries with status=done but result=idle. That shouldn't happen - if the test is done, the result should be pass or fail. And what is status=implementation? Did you read my mail other than the link? This is a list of features, idle means no-one tested it.
Yes I do read all your emails. And the part you are referring to I read at least twice at http://en.opensuse.org/Testing:Features_11.0#openSUSE_11.0_Feature_Test_List from where you copied it.
It does not mention the status field, and that is the first I see when I want to know whether a test has already been done. If you meant to say "ignore the status field", why on earth did you put it there in the first place? Creating confusion can't be in your interest, but that's what it does to me (and to the other person in this thread too).
I changed the text "status" on the wiki page to "Test Result". I hope it is clear now. Thanks a lot for your support. Best wishes, Holgi --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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