[opensuse-factory] Deselecting Zenworks
Hi, When installing 10.2 B2 (X86 DVD) I found deselecting Zenworks and selecting instead the "lightweight alternative to Zenworks" did not prevent the ubiquitous Zenworks from being installed. Note the red icon along side the "deselected" Zenworks is defined as "Taboo-Never Install" I know this has already been reported but I think this is potentially very serious at this late stage of testing. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Keith Goggin
Hi,
When installing 10.2 B2 (X86 DVD)
I found deselecting Zenworks and selecting instead the "lightweight alternative to Zenworks" did not prevent the ubiquitous Zenworks from being installed. Note the red icon along side the "deselected" Zenworks is defined as "Taboo-Never Install"
I know this has already been reported but I think this is potentially very serious at this late stage of testing.
There're already bug reports for these - I'll check this next week, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Hello, Am Sonntag, 12. November 2006 12:34 schrieb Andreas Jaeger:
Keith Goggin
writes: I found deselecting Zenworks and selecting instead the "lightweight alternative to Zenworks" did not prevent the ubiquitous Zenworks from being installed. Note the red icon along side the "deselected" Zenworks is defined as "Taboo-Never Install"
I know this has already been reported but I think this is potentially very serious at this late stage of testing.
There're already bug reports for these -
The only one I found (searching for "pattern taboo") is https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=215355 (current state is INVALID...) The "problem" is that marking a pattern as taboo does not mark the contained packages as taboo. The packages are "only" unselected and can be re-selected via dependencies (which happens with zmd). This is not the expected behaviour and can cause confusion - especially for the zenworks pattern which is probably the "top taboo" pattern ;-)
I'll check this next week,
Andreas, are there any results on this yet? Regards, Christian Boltz -- vi-Befehle sind sogar relativ einfach zu merken. Wenn man einmal weiß, was dw db de d) d( d} d{ dd d^ d$ d0 dG sowie cw und yw machen, dann weiß man auch, was cb ce c) c( c} c{ cc c^ c$ c0 cG sowie yb ye y) y( y} y{ yy y^ y$ y0 yG machen. [Bernd Bordesser in suse-linux] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
* Christian Boltz
The "problem" is that marking a pattern as taboo does not mark the contained packages as taboo. The packages are "only" unselected and can be re-selected via dependencies (which happens with zmd).
Thats a general problem with the way patterns are implemented. Currently they represent dependencies to packages - which is fine for dependency resolution (and raising a dependency error if pattern dependencies are violated). However, in the described scenario, they really should be groups (ZENworks calls them 'bundles'). This would also make de-installing a pattern easier - something we don't have a solution for yet. Stuff for further discussion I guess. Klaus --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Christian Boltz
Hello,
Am Sonntag, 12. November 2006 12:34 schrieb Andreas Jaeger:
Keith Goggin
writes: I found deselecting Zenworks and selecting instead the "lightweight alternative to Zenworks" did not prevent the ubiquitous Zenworks from being installed. Note the red icon along side the "deselected" Zenworks is defined as "Taboo-Never Install"
I know this has already been reported but I think this is potentially very serious at this late stage of testing.
There're already bug reports for these -
The only one I found (searching for "pattern taboo") is https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=215355 (current state is INVALID...)
The "problem" is that marking a pattern as taboo does not mark the contained packages as taboo. The packages are "only" unselected and can be re-selected via dependencies (which happens with zmd).
This is not the expected behaviour and can cause confusion - especially for the zenworks pattern which is probably the "top taboo" pattern ;-)
I'll check this next week,
Andreas, are there any results on this yet?
It works now - the pattern magic in this case was a bit too involved, the bug report is: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=218492 You can now deselect the pattern and install the other one, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Hello, Am Mittwoch, 15. November 2006 11:13 schrieb Andreas Jaeger:
Christian Boltz
writes: The only one I found (searching for "pattern taboo") is https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=215355 (current state is INVALID...)
The "problem" is that marking a pattern as taboo does not mark the contained packages as taboo. The packages are "only" unselected and can be re-selected via dependencies (which happens with zmd).
This is not the expected behaviour and can cause confusion - especially for the zenworks pattern which is probably the "top taboo" pattern ;-)
It works now - the pattern magic in this case was a bit too involved, the bug report is: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=218492
You can now deselect the pattern and install the other one,
Andreas, I'm afraid we are talking about different issues - even if they have the same result ;-) I'll write short summaries about the bugs to make it clear: a) Bug 218492 ("your" one): fix the patterns so that you can uninstall zmd without trouble b) Bug 215355 ("my" one): taboo'ing a pattern does not taboo the contained packages - which is (maybe) technically correct, but very confusing for users Please read bug 215355, especially comment #4 and #5. Regards, Christian Boltz, who should probably reopen more bugs instantly ;-) --
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Christian Boltz
Hello,
Am Mittwoch, 15. November 2006 11:13 schrieb Andreas Jaeger:
Christian Boltz
writes: The only one I found (searching for "pattern taboo") is https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=215355 (current state is INVALID...)
The "problem" is that marking a pattern as taboo does not mark the contained packages as taboo. The packages are "only" unselected and can be re-selected via dependencies (which happens with zmd).
This is not the expected behaviour and can cause confusion - especially for the zenworks pattern which is probably the "top taboo" pattern ;-)
It works now - the pattern magic in this case was a bit too involved, the bug report is: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=218492
You can now deselect the pattern and install the other one,
Andreas, I'm afraid we are talking about different issues - even if they have the same result ;-)
I'll write short summaries about the bugs to make it clear:
a) Bug 218492 ("your" one): fix the patterns so that you can uninstall zmd without trouble
b) Bug 215355 ("my" one): taboo'ing a pattern does not taboo the contained packages - which is (maybe) technically correct, but very confusing for users
Please read bug 215355, especially comment #4 and #5.
Ah I see - yes, we have to find ways to improve this in 10.3, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Hello, Am Donnerstag, 16. November 2006 09:31 schrieb Andreas Jaeger:
Christian Boltz
writes: [...] b) Bug 215355 ("my" one): taboo'ing a pattern does not taboo the contained packages - which is (maybe) technically correct, but very confusing for users
Please read bug 215355, especially comment #4 and #5.
Ah I see - yes, we have to find ways to improve this in 10.3,
IMHO you should change it in 10.2 already ;-) A proposal that doesn't do any harm and avoids lots of confusion: Current behaviour: If I click the checkmark of a selected pattern, it switches to "taboo". Proposal: - switch to "do not install" (empty checkbox) (not to "taboo") - taboo should _only_ be available via right mouse button because it's very rarely used for patters Regards, Christian Boltz -- liegt es vielleicht an den lauschigen 34°, die der Prozessor oder sowas nicht mitmacht? -> Soll ich mit dem Rechner jetzt zum Baggersee rausfah- ren und ihm ne Abkühlung verpassen... [Sebastian Schulze in suse-linux] --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Christian Boltz
Hello,
Am Donnerstag, 16. November 2006 09:31 schrieb Andreas Jaeger:
Christian Boltz
writes: [...] b) Bug 215355 ("my" one): taboo'ing a pattern does not taboo the contained packages - which is (maybe) technically correct, but very confusing for users
Please read bug 215355, especially comment #4 and #5.
Ah I see - yes, we have to find ways to improve this in 10.3,
IMHO you should change it in 10.2 already ;-)
A proposal that doesn't do any harm and avoids lots of confusion:
Current behaviour: If I click the checkmark of a selected pattern, it switches to "taboo".
Proposal: - switch to "do not install" (empty checkbox) (not to "taboo") - taboo should _only_ be available via right mouse button because it's very rarely used for patters
This needs further changes that are too involved to do now :-( Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
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Andreas Jaeger
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Christian Boltz
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Keith Goggin
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Klaus Kaempf