[opensuse-factory] Any thoughts about openSUSE creating their own font for the desktop environment, wiki and forums
Hello List mates, Has any one thought about openSUSE creating their own font type for their desktops wiki and forums. Ubuntu, Mac and $Microsoft use their own style. Cheers! Roman ------------------------------------------------------- openSUSE -- Get it! Discover it! Share it! ------------------------------------------------------- http://linuxcounter.net/ #179293 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Saturday 2013-07-06 00:53, Roman Bysh wrote:
Has any one thought about openSUSE creating their own font type for their desktops wiki and forums. Ubuntu, Mac and $Microsoft use their own style.
Creating a readable font is time-intensive, and hard to get right too. The time would be better spent on improving the existing fonts like DejaVu or Liberation. In fact, that is _just_ what happened. <!-- from 50-suse-pre-user.conf The SUSE fonts have been dropped from SuSE Linux >= 10.1 in favour of the DejaVu fonts. All extensions the SUSE fonts had over the original Bitstream fonts have already been merged into the DejaVu fonts and the DejaVu fonts contain many glyphs not in the SUSE fonts. Therefore there is no reason to use the SUSE fonts anymore. --> That said, "Ubuntu" looks terrible (no serifs, in fact, not even essential strokes in 'f', 't'), "Droid" has very wide bodies it seems, and the Microsoft "C" series (Cantarell, etc.) is just a rehash of the Monotype fonts they had in XP and before. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2013-07-06 08:50 (GMT+0200) Jan Engelhardt composed:
"Droid" has very wide bodies it seems,
Compared to average, wider yes. But, the only Droid I see that isn't the same (mono) or narrower (serif, sans) than DejaVu is bold mono: http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-face-samplesFW.html Overall, the DejaVus, from which Sans is what a every standard openSUSE installation has used for several years for UI, same as most Linux distros, are wider than everything except Verdana. My most used systems have fontconfig preferring the Droids to all else.
and the Microsoft "C" series (Cantarell, etc.) is just a rehash of the Monotype fonts they had in XP and before.
A "rehash" that involves making them mostly significantly smaller than other common web fonts: http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-msvista.html -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Jan Engelhardt schrieb:
On Saturday 2013-07-06 00:53, Roman Bysh wrote:
Has any one thought about openSUSE creating their own font type for their desktops wiki and forums. Ubuntu, Mac and $Microsoft use their own style.
Creating a readable font is time-intensive, and hard to get right too. The time would be better spent on improving the existing fonts like DejaVu or Liberation.
I completely agree that it's best to stick with already available, openly licensed fonts. FWIW, Firefox for Android packages and uses Charis SIL Compact and Open Sans for its serif and sans-serif default fonts (mostly because the already existing fonts on most Android devices were deemed not easy enough to read, esp. for larger amounts of text). You can find the files they're using in their source tree at http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/mobile/android/fonts/ Robert Kaiser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/06/2013 08:17 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote:
Jan Engelhardt schrieb:
On Saturday 2013-07-06 00:53, Roman Bysh wrote:
Has any one thought about openSUSE creating their own font type for their desktops wiki and forums. Ubuntu, Mac and $Microsoft use their own style.
Creating a readable font is time-intensive, and hard to get right too. The time would be better spent on improving the existing fonts like DejaVu or Liberation.
I completely agree that it's best to stick with already available, openly licensed fonts.
FWIW, Firefox for Android packages and uses Charis SIL Compact and Open Sans for its serif and sans-serif default fonts (mostly because the already existing fonts on most Android devices were deemed not easy enough to read, esp. for larger amounts of text). You can find the files they're using in their source tree at http://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/mobile/android/fonts/
Robert Kaiser
That said... What are your system font settings in KDE4 and Firefox Linux? I also noticed source sans pro. Check it out. -- Cheers! Roman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Saturday 2013-07-06 18:54, Roman Bysh wrote:
That said...
What are your system font settings in KDE4 and Firefox Linux? I also noticed source sans pro. Check it out.
For me, Arial/TimesNR - the default resolve targets for sans/serif in /etc/fonts/conf.d/58-suse-post-user.conf. For xterms, it gotta be LM Mono (ctan-latinmodern-fonts.rpm). The latex-class font is unbeatable - which is probably why you see it in about every other scientific PDF that has not fallen victim to a publisher's stylesheets (yet). Normally I'd pick LM for sans/sans-serif display too, but the TTF variant sucks so much (failed stroke thickness, monstrous line heights...). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/06/2013 01:05 PM, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Saturday 2013-07-06 18:54, Roman Bysh wrote:
That said...
What are your system font settings in KDE4 and Firefox Linux? I also noticed source sans pro. Check it out.
For me, Arial/TimesNR - the default resolve targets for sans/serif in /etc/fonts/conf.d/58-suse-post-user.conf.
For xterms, it gotta be LM Mono (ctan-latinmodern-fonts.rpm). The latex-class font is unbeatable - which is probably why you see it in about every other scientific PDF that has not fallen victim to a publisher's stylesheets (yet).
Normally I'd pick LM for sans/sans-serif display too, but the TTF variant sucks so much (failed stroke thickness, monstrous line heights...).
I completely forgot about /etc/font/ directory. How does one use these .conf files other than reading them for reference? -- Cheers! Roman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Saturday 2013-07-06 19:26, Roman Bysh wrote:
I completely forgot about /etc/font/ directory. How does one use these .conf files other than reading them for reference?
Can be used to set your own preferences. (~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf) <?xml version="1.0"?> <!DOCTYPE fontconfig SYSTEM "fonts.dtd"> <fontconfig> <!-- Switch from thinline bitmaps to automatically-scaling strokes for CJK above 14px --> <match target="font"> <test name="fontformat"> <string>TrueType</string> </test> <test name="family"> <string>MS Gothic</string> <string>MS PGothic</string> <string>MS UI Gothic</string> <string>MS Mincho</string> <string>MS PMincho</string> ... </test> <test name="pixelsize" compare="more_eq"> <double>15</double> </test> <edit name="embeddedbitmap"> <bool>false</bool> </edit> <edit name="antialias"> <bool>true</bool> </edit> </match> </fontconfig> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/07/2013 03:33 AM, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Saturday 2013-07-06 19:26, Roman Bysh wrote:
I completely forgot about /etc/font/ directory. How does one use these .conf files other than reading them for reference?
Can be used to set your own preferences. (~/.config/fontconfig/fonts.conf)
<?xml version="1.0"?> <!DOCTYPE fontconfig SYSTEM "fonts.dtd"> <fontconfig> <!-- Switch from thinline bitmaps to automatically-scaling strokes for CJK above 14px --> <match target="font"> <test name="fontformat"> <string>TrueType</string> </test> <test name="family"> <string>MS Gothic</string> <string>MS PGothic</string> <string>MS UI Gothic</string> <string>MS Mincho</string> <string>MS PMincho</string> ... </test> <test name="pixelsize" compare="more_eq"> <double>15</double> </test> <edit name="embeddedbitmap"> <bool>false</bool> </edit> <edit name="antialias"> <bool>true</bool> </edit> </match> </fontconfig>
Thanks Jan, I'll test it out. Cheers! Roman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 07/06/2013 01:05 PM, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Saturday 2013-07-06 18:54, Roman Bysh wrote:
That said...
What are your system font settings in KDE4 and Firefox Linux? I also noticed source sans pro. Check it out.
For me, Arial/TimesNR - the default resolve targets for sans/serif in /etc/fonts/conf.d/58-suse-post-user.conf.
For xterms, it gotta be LM Mono (ctan-latinmodern-fonts.rpm). The latex-class font is unbeatable - which is probably why you see it in about every other scientific PDF that has not fallen victim to a publisher's stylesheets (yet).
Normally I'd pick LM for sans/sans-serif display too, but the TTF variant sucks so much (failed stroke thickness, monstrous line heights...).
I forgot to add. In KDE4 there is a Font settings window. Can you provide a screenshot? Or are you using GNOME? -- Cheers! Roman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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