On 6 November 2017 at 14:20, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

so we resort to top posting and don't even bother to remove the sig.

My apologies - I posted before my morning coffee, made my formatting a little sloppy it seems. Hopefully this post and the many others I do make it obvious that is not a common problem for me

and probably did not even bother to read the first cited msg/"issues" which contained reference to six bug reports. the poster definitely did not like openSUSE, nor make an effort to find explanations for his "issues", past citing bug reports.

While I think it would have been useful if Fabian linked to the specific comment in question, rather than a whole thread, I did read the thread, in full, as far as I can see. However, the post you reference was written by someone which has been blocked to me on reddit for the last 4 months after I got tired of the individuals trolling. As the individual is blocked, I did not see the persons post until your reply made it obvious I was missing something. I would have noticed the inconsistency if the post had been direct linked also. Thank you for clearing that up.

if one is inclined to slam a post, at least the "facts" should be accurate.

Indeed, I agree. But on a platform like reddit where subreddit moderation, shadow banning, and self-moderation are all commonplace, I think it's reasonable to assume that not everyone will always have as a complete a view of the 'facts' as, lets say if the pertinent data had been copy/pasted in the OP's mail. Regards, -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Mon, Nov 06, 2017 at 05:39:50PM +0100, Daniele wrote:

Il 06/11/2017 09:33, Fabian Vogt ha scritto:

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Hi everyone,

on reddit I came across this topic which resulted in some interesting feedback from former and current users (only slightly KDE related):

https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/7azp43/kde_plasma_praise_report/dpe3lo...

Any ideas what can be done to fix the mentioned issues?

Fix btrfs would be a good start ;) Daniele.

Great idea, let's fix btrfs, I wonder why nobody thought of it before. And once we fix it, we should fix networking, memory management, scheduler, ... Don't forget about security vulnerabilities, those should be definitely fixed, too. And then we will all live happily ever after. Michal Kubeček -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Daniele schrieb:

I don't understand your sarcasm here. Btrfs, makes system unuseable while rebalancing.. it's a well known issue (since years).

I've been using btrfs as may main filesystem for ages and even when I rebalance manually, which I do every now and then, I never saw the whole system freeze up in any bad way, so not sure what you are talking about. KaiRo -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Monday, 6 November 2017 22:24:47 CET Daniele wrote:

Il 06/11/2017 20:52, Robert Kaiser ha scritto:

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Daniele schrieb:

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I don't understand your sarcasm here. Btrfs, makes system unuseable while rebalancing.. it's a well known issue (since years).

I've been using btrfs as may main filesystem for ages and even when I rebalance manually, which I do every now and then, I never saw the whole system freeze up in any bad way, so not sure what you are talking about.

KaiRo

https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1064249 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1063638 But the problem it's not new. Debated in this ml few time. For me, just yesterday, pc unuseable, Sysrq->reboot. I'm using btrfs only on a test machine..

I agree the statement "fix btrfs" but of course in this way of very generic phrasing it's not helpful. https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1017461 is one of the "long standing" bugs but it *is* resolved. The ones mentioned above - one reported by me - are more specific and therefore more likely to be fixed sooner :) If a problem does not get fixed that fast it might be for the following reasons: 1) It's actually not *a* problem but multiple ones -> your help would be appreciated to pinpoint and separate the issues 2) The problem is not (easily) reproducible by anyone that could fix it -> your help would be appreciated to make the problem more easily reproducible Actually we also try to cover this bug(s) with our openQA tests and we have at least one test that reproducibly shows that there is something missing to be fixed: https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests/524584#step/force_cron_run/13 Regards, Oliver -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 11/07/2017 06:52 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote:

Daniele schrieb:

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I don't understand your sarcasm here. Btrfs, makes system unuseable while rebalancing.. it's a well known issue (since years).

I've been using btrfs as may main filesystem for ages and even when I rebalance manually, which I do every now and then, I never saw the whole system freeze up in any bad way, so not sure what you are talking about.

I've seen the entire system stall for several minutes (system load goes from ~1 to ~12, and becomes very sluggish) during the scheduled rebalance. However, I haven't seen this happen recently, which tells me that the long-standing qgroup performance problems have probably been resolved in newer kernels. -- Aleksa Sarai Senior Software Engineer (Containers) SUSE Linux GmbH https://www.cyphar.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org