On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 01:11:21 +0200 "Carlos E. R." wrote: ...

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Remember? Now is the time ;-)

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View this thread: http://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php?t=478023

This one is covered, although none of developers came to help.

View this thread: http://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php?t=478234

I answered this one. Want to check facts and collect info before it lands in bugzilla.

Or do we tell them to remove apper & friends? Nobody has come to the rescue yet...

No, there is better method, update all to openSUSE 12.2 :) (Then fix nouveau and clock and ... ) By the time all is working, who will remember that problem was updater :P -- Regards, Rajko. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 11 Sep 2012 12:45:36 Carlos E. R. wrote:

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On 2012-09-11 06:35, Rajko wrote:

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On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 01:11:21 +0200 "Carlos E. R." <> wrote:

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Remember? Now is the time ;-) : :D

Thanks.

I'm organising a post 12.2 bug triage and Apper will be a focus of that. Additionally I want 'More than lip service paid to desktop update applets' as a feature for 12.3. WIll -- Will Stephenson, openSUSE Board, Booster, KDE Developer SUSE LINUX GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstraße 5 90409 Nürnberg Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 11 Sep 2012 16:48:18 Martin Schlander wrote:

I watched the Linux Action Show review of openSUSE 12.2 yesterday. Their main pain point was "package management" issues (all packagekit related of course) - the usual suspects: 1) packagekit frontends failing to actually install updates (without any useful error message) and 2) packagekit blocking YaST/zypper and refusing to go away when told.

Thanks for watching it for me, US tech podcasts seem make me grind my teeth more than is good for them. I guess it is good that the pain point was something we know about. Will -- Will Stephenson, openSUSE Board, Booster, KDE Developer SUSE LINUX GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstraße 5 90409 Nürnberg Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 11 Sep 2012 16:56:07 DenverD wrote:

On 09/11/2012 01:05 PM, Will Stephenson wrote:

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I'm organising a post 12.2 bug triage and Apper will be a focus of that.

Additionally I want 'More than lip service paid to desktop update applets' as a feature for 12.3.

having spent far too much time trying to help new-to-linux and new-to-openSUSE users, i confer to you:

openSUSE User's Hero, 2012!

Let's see if I get any results, this time around. Will -- Will Stephenson, openSUSE Board, Booster, KDE Developer SUSE LINUX GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstraße 5 90409 Nürnberg Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 11 Sep 2012 17:01:14 Sven Burmeister wrote:

Am Dienstag, 11. September 2012, 13:05:18 schrieb Will Stephenson:

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I'm organising a post 12.2 bug triage and Apper will be a focus of that.

Additionally I want 'More than lip service paid to desktop update applets' as a feature for 12.3.

Of what use is a bug triage if there is nobody working on the back-end?

Gives us something to throw up the ladder, doesn't it?

Or are you again going to spend time on getting into code you actually are not supposed to maintain and start fixing bugs because nobody else cares?

Gary fixed the PK zypp backend bugs I triaged-out-of-Apper for 12.2, and I'm the closest to being the person responsible in openSUSE for KDE Apper PK bugs. The upstream developer is only interested in PackageKit 0.8 support for Apper now, so it's my problem. Whether I do get work time for directly fixing this or have to talk someone else into it is another question. Will -- Will Stephenson, openSUSE Board, Booster, KDE Developer SUSE LINUX GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstraße 5 90409 Nürnberg Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 11 September 2012 20:03, Jon Nelson wrote:

OK, so why are we using PackageKit 0.7, then?

Because last time I checked there wasn't a zypp backend compatible with the new 0.8 API. Even less optimized for it. Michael Andres is working on it. He came back from vacations just two weeks ago... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 11 Sep 2012 14:55:38 Jon Nelson wrote:

On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Cristian Morales Vega

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OK, so why are we using PackageKit 0.7, then?

Because last time I checked there wasn't a zypp backend compatible with the new 0.8 API. Even less optimized for it. Michael Andres is working on it. He came back from vacations just two weeks ago...

Ah. Also, I see that 0.8 is not considered a "stable" release, yet. However, I *do* see 0.7.5 and 0.7.6 out. 0.7.6 might help fix one of the bugs I've encountered...

So BURP and test it, please! Will -- Will Stephenson, openSUSE Board, Booster, KDE Developer SUSE LINUX GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstraße 5 90409 Nürnberg Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 12 September 2012 09:43, Will Stephenson wrote:

I wonder who's porting packagekit-zypp to PK 0.8 though?

http://lists.opensuse.org/zypp-devel/2012-08/msg00010.html -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Tuesday 11 Sep 2012 17:01:14 Sven Burmeister wrote:

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Am Dienstag, 11. September 2012, 13:05:18 schrieb Will Stephenson:

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I'm organising a post 12.2 bug triage and Apper will be a focus of

Tirsdag den 11. september 2012 20:43:56 Will Stephenson skrev: that.

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Additionally I want 'More than lip service paid to desktop update applets' as a feature for 12.3.

Of what use is a bug triage if there is nobody working on the back- end?

Gives us something to throw up the ladder, doesn't it?

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Or are you again going to spend time on getting into code you actually are not supposed to maintain and start fixing bugs because nobody else cares?

Gary fixed the PK zypp backend bugs I triaged-out-of-Apper for 12.2, and I'm the closest to being the person responsible in openSUSE for KDE Apper PK bugs. The upstream developer is only interested in PackageKit 0.8 support for Apper now, so it's my problem.

So that means even if someone manages to fix some of the issues in 12.2, we'll start all over again in 12.3. I thought PK was supposed to _help_ application developers, not giving them the run-around. But considering where it comes from... -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Tuesday, 2012-09-11 at 01:11 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:

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Remember? Now is the time ;-)

View this thread: http://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php?t=478023

View this thread: http://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php?t=478234

View this thread: http://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php?t=478476 I must remember all that the intention of this thread (as discussed in other threads recently and at large) is only to remind the apper and package kit and gnome applet supporters of what problems people are finding with apper and friends in the forums, and that YOU go there and help them, because WE will not (bluntly said on purpose). If you don't go there, we will tell them again not to use any of packagekit friends. :-P So far, only Rajko has tried, bless him. :-) The purpose of this thread is not to argue here again about apper and friends. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 12.1 x86_64 "Asparagus" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlBUWAkACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UjPgCghWde6+wlpk1mt5anJj3p4QSa ypEAoItCZOPqKmQK1FGCERgvcHcjMa92 =9IDz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org