[opensuse-factory] RC1 i386 Installation
1. During installation 'add online repositories before installation' should NOT in my opinion be the default. It causes more trouble than it's worth and takes far too long to complete. Adding repositories after installation is a much faster and cleaner process. 2. The installation process did not ask for or set the network Default Gateway. 3. Literally hundreds of the following message had to be acknowledged. 'Patch Process Callback nn' 4. Replying OK to the message requesting permission to perform a reboot after an online update did not initiate the reboot. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Sonntag 23 September 2007 schrieb Keith Goggin:
1. During installation 'add online repositories before installation' should NOT in my opinion be the default. It causes more trouble than it's worth and takes far too long to complete. Adding repositories after installation is a much faster and cleaner process. Sorry for you, it adds value for tons of other users.
2. The installation process did not ask for or set the network Default Gateway. You don't have a DHCP server?
3. Literally hundreds of the following message had to be acknowledged.
'Patch Process Callback nn' Yes, read the official "most annoying bugs" section before you write your own :)
4. Replying OK to the message requesting permission to perform a reboot after an online update did not initiate the reboot. It doesn't imply it would reboot either. But it could be a feature enhancement at least to the desktop applets. So if it doesn't yet exist, please file it in bugzilla.
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Am Sonntag 23 September 2007 schrieb Keith Goggin:
1. During installation 'add online repositories before installation' should NOT in my opinion be the default. It causes more trouble than it's worth and takes far too long to complete. Adding repositories after installation is a much faster and cleaner process. Sorry for you, it adds value for tons of other users.
As a matter of fact: This is imho, one of the most valuable options added, if not the most important.( I love it the most ;-) See the improvement: Network is up as early as possible: sources are enclosed, so you do not have to download first, and then burn, and then install. So it saves a lot of time. Also it can be made possible to add another source, like nfs, or the dvd-player on another pc..
4. Replying OK to the message requesting permission to perform a reboot after an online update did not initiate the reboot. It doesn't imply it would reboot either. But it could be a feature enhancement at least to the desktop applets. So if it doesn't yet exist, please file it in bugzilla.
If it is up to me, i would like an option like in the new updater: choose for to install updates that require a reboot, or not. Reboot after install? y/n
Greetings, Stephan
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M9. wrote:
See the improvement: Network is up as early as possible: sources are enclosed, so you do not have to download first, and then burn, and then install. So it saves a lot of time.
may be a fix: don't set it as default on dvd install? many dvd install don't have any network at hand at all and if they go just a littl too fast and don't remove the click, they got i truble. The option is ok, make it the default is the only problem
4. Replying OK to the message requesting permission to perform a reboot after an online update did not initiate the reboot.
this must not be done without great care, it's only needed for kernel change and in the past such change where not always armless I hope the old kernel is still available (but it was not the case in the past) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Stephan Kulow schrieb:
Am Sonntag 23 September 2007 schrieb Keith Goggin:
1. During installation 'add online repositories before installation' should NOT in my opinion be the default. It causes more trouble than it's worth and takes far too long to complete. Adding repositories after installation is a much faster and cleaner process. Sorry for you, it adds value for tons of other users.
I don't see the added value either. I tried adding the online repositories during installation, just to be told that 30MB will be installed from DVD and the other >2GB(!) will be downloaded. Exactly _why_ did I download the DVD then? This turns a 30 minute install from DVD into a download session that takes hours! Not to speak about the timeouts that occured and caused the installation to be interrupted until I pressed the "try downloading again" button. Shouldn't the downloader be able to retrieve some files via internet without me pressing a button all the time? Regards nordi --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Stephan Kulow schrieb:
Am Sonntag 23 September 2007 schrieb Keith Goggin:
1. During installation 'add online repositories before installation' should NOT in my opinion be the default. It causes more trouble than it's worth and takes far too long to complete. Adding repositories after installation is a much faster and cleaner process.
Sorry for you, it adds value for tons of other users.
I don't see the added value either. I tried adding the online repositories during installation, just to be told that 30MB will be installed from DVD and the other >2GB(!) will be downloaded. Exactly _why_ did I download the DVD then? This turns a 30 minute install from DVD into a download session that takes hours! You're aware that you're speaking about a bug, right? It never happened to me
Am Sonntag 23 September 2007 schrieb nordi: though, so I would be very interested in what exactly you did. Note though that tomorrow we'l sync out factory again and then it will be normal that the installation prefers the online variant. But today factory is definitely of the same age as RC1. Greetings, Stephan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Stephan Kulow wrote:
You're aware that you're speaking about a bug, right? It never happened to me though, so I would be very interested in what exactly you did.
Note though that tomorrow we'l sync out factory again and then it will be normal that the installation prefers the online variant. But today factory is definitely of the same age as RC1.
It happened with beta3 IIRC, so it probably was normal behaviour. As long as this stuff does not happen with the final version everything should be ok. Regards nordi --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
nordi wrote:
Stephan Kulow schrieb:
Not to speak about the timeouts that occured and caused the installation to be interrupted until I pressed the "try downloading again" button. Shouldn't the downloader be able to retrieve some files via internet without me pressing a button all the time?
It would be preferable that the installation continued with the next file automatically, or at least after some time of no user response, with an option to cancel that repo, or to find another repo. -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from RC1) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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It would be preferable that the installation continued with the next file automatically, or at least after some time of no user response, with an option to cancel that repo, or to find another repo.
This did not occur to me, there was no stop, nor did i have to intervene, or pushing whatever button. It just worked perfect ;-) (for me it did.)
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On Sunday 23 September 2007 06:24:15 am Carlos E. R. wrote:
nordi wrote:
Stephan Kulow schrieb:
Not to speak about the timeouts that occured and caused the installation to be interrupted until I pressed the "try downloading again" button. Shouldn't the downloader be able to retrieve some files via internet without me pressing a button all the time?
It would be preferable that the installation continued with the next file automatically, or at least after some time of no user response, with an option to cancel that repo, or to find another repo.
The problem can be slow server response. I had that few times on normal days. Press Retry few times and installation continues. IMHO, there is no ideal solution. If default is to try few times before pops the window with message asking user decision, than with bad repository it will take forever to download files. It will never pop the message, but process will spend more time trying again than actually installing files. -- Regards, Rajko. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Rajko M. wrote
The problem can be slow server response. I had that few times on normal days. Press Retry few times and installation continues.
IMHO, there is no ideal solution. If default is to try few times before pops the window with message asking user decision, than with bad repository it will take forever to download files.
Why not handle it the same way as the reboot messages? They say "System will reboot in xx seconds. [OK] [Cancel]" and automatically count down. Why not have a message like: "Downloading xyz.rpm failed because of connection timeout. Will retry downloading in xx seconds." This way, a user sitting in front of the system will get a quick reply from the installer and someone that installs over night is also happy. Regards nordi --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 23 September 2007 11:07:23 am nordi wrote:
Rajko M. wrote
The problem can be slow server response. I had that few times on normal days. Press Retry few times and installation continues.
IMHO, there is no ideal solution. If default is to try few times before pops the window with message asking user decision, than with bad repository it will take forever to download files.
Why not handle it the same way as the reboot messages? They say "System will reboot in xx seconds. [OK] [Cancel]" and automatically count down. Why not have a message like:
"Downloading xyz.rpm failed because of connection timeout. Will retry downloading in xx seconds."
This way, a user sitting in front of the system will get a quick reply from the installer and someone that installs over night is also happy.
Even better, it retries later with that package, and uses time to download some other package from the list, but either way it is not implemented right now, so feel free and add this to the: http://en.opensuse.org/Feature_Wishlist/YAST_related -- Regards, Rajko. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
El Domingo, 23 de Septiembre de 2007 08:55:11 Stephan Kulow escribió:
Am Sonntag 23 September 2007 schrieb Keith Goggin:
1. During installation 'add online repositories before installation' should NOT in my opinion be the default. It causes more trouble than it's worth and takes far too long to complete. Adding repositories after installation is a much faster and cleaner process.
Sorry for you, it adds value for tons of other users.
Here I see two good ideas but a wrong implementation of them. Really most users are willing a dvd install, as full featured, fast and simply as it is possible even in scenarios where no internet is available. Of course, the rest of users should be the "tons of other users" you're talking about, and they prefer a network install. IMHO, both are valid _separate_ concepts. The wrong thing is to force dvd users to perform a network install by default. If we are talking about to install 10.3 in a home pc, no matter if we have to wait 14 hours to get it installed, but when you translate this to an office with... lets say 10 pc's, its simply unusable. I hope we can improve both concepts for 11.0 Miquel. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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Here I see two good ideas but a wrong implementation of them.
Really most users are willing a dvd install, as full featured, fast and simply as it is possible even in scenarios where no internet is available.
Of course, the rest of users should be the "tons of other users" you're talking about, and they prefer a network install.
IMHO, both are valid _separate_ concepts. The wrong thing is to force dvd users to perform a network install by default.
If we are talking about to install 10.3 in a home pc, no matter if we have to wait 14 hours to get it installed, but when you translate this to an office with... lets say 10 pc's, its simply unusable.
I hope we can improve both concepts for 11.0
I agree also with this, ( i had probs with unsolvable deps, when using both dvd and network install) 1) Impossible to get both options at same time: If Network is choosen: dvd greyed out. 2) Not default option. My suggestion, i do not know if it is possible: Network set-up has to be working, if not: Network install NA. Is this possible?
Miquel.
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Am Sonntag 23 September 2007 schrieb Miquel A. Noguera:
El Domingo, 23 de Septiembre de 2007 08:55:11 Stephan Kulow escribió:
Am Sonntag 23 September 2007 schrieb Keith Goggin:
1. During installation 'add online repositories before installation' should NOT in my opinion be the default. It causes more trouble than it's worth and takes far too long to complete. Adding repositories after installation is a much faster and cleaner process.
Sorry for you, it adds value for tons of other users.
Here I see two good ideas but a wrong implementation of them.
Really most users are willing a dvd install, as full featured, fast and simply as it is possible even in scenarios where no internet is available.
Of course, the rest of users should be the "tons of other users" you're talking about, and they prefer a network install.
IMHO, both are valid _separate_ concepts. The wrong thing is to force dvd users to perform a network install by default.
openSUSE is not forcing anyone. We're suggesting it just by default - the DVD is only half of our packages. Greetings, Stephan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Sunday 23 September 2007, Keith Goggin wrote:
1. During installation 'add online repositories before installation' should NOT in my opinion be the default. It causes more trouble than it's worth and takes far too long to complete. Adding repositories after installation is a much faster and cleaner process.
2. The installation process did not ask for or set the network Default Gateway.
3. Literally hundreds of the following message had to be acknowledged.
'Patch Process Callback nn'
4. Replying OK to the message requesting permission to perform a reboot after an online update did not initiate the reboot.
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There is no way to give a wirless card an WEP key to get a network connection so it fails , For people in the same situation as me this is a total stopper my internet connection is via wirless not hard wired that has not been taken into account therefore i am unable to update until rebooted and fully configured . (ps i share an internet connection with the shop next door after having the landline taken out here ) -- SuSE Linux 10.3-Alpha3. (Linux is like a wigwam - no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
participants (9)
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Carlos E. R. -
jdd -
Keith Goggin -
M9. -
Miquel A. Noguera -
nordi -
peter nikolic -
Rajko M. -
Stephan Kulow