https://build.opensuse.org/package/files?package=fontconfig-infinality&project=M17N

Mine are on home:ketheriel:infinality, it's mainly rebuilds from upstream, it needs a bit more or love and some refactoring, but they are working ok with me.

Or maybe we can push it into M17N/Factory with a new name like freetype2-infinality?

I don't believe we can distribute them in the distribution due to patent infringements :/ I am aware of that, though having them around is a big plus for users and for people who might want to remaster spins.

I'm not sure if most of us agree with the infinality solution to sub-pixel rendering. I saw a lot of disagreement in packaging list last time when I try to push it.

Something to be expected :)

The only tech thing to notice is we need a new package instead of patching default freetype. (because infinality doesn't release at the same day as freetype2. it's hard to maintain if in one package)

There are several ways of doing this. Let me clear a bit more this packages and try to improve this :) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

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* Nelson Marques [08-25-12 15:13]:

...

...

https://build.opensuse.org/package/files?package=fontconfig-infinality&project=M17N

Mine are on home:ketheriel:infinality, it's mainly rebuilds from upstream, it needs a bit more or love and some refactoring, but they are working ok with me.

...

Or maybe we can push it into M17N/Factory with a new name like freetype2-infinality?

I don't believe we can distribute them in the distribution due to patent infringements :/

Then you best take a good look at the rules of obs, I believe that encumbered packages are not allowed on obs.

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On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:31:57 +0100 Nelson Marques wrote:

Next time you believe you have something to say to me, remember previous interventions from you, and keep those thoughts for yourself.

Start there, please: http://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mailing_list_netiquette -- WBR Kyrill -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

He cannot be bothered with rules. They do not apply to him. Netiquette is about being polite, amoung other things.

Mark my words; a long time ago when I run to the board you made quite an interesting claim without knowing me from anywhere. I don't see how my previous remark toward's you can break the policy. Being 'agressive' is one thing, remarking that I don't care jack for anything you say is something very different. a damn waste of time. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Hi Linda,

[...] I mean really, I have more fonts than my machines can keep track of, but I still look for great fonts... so the more fonts the better...

If you don't know, you may like the M17N:fonts repository. We have 126 font packages now. Find new fonts here: https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=M17N%3Afonts http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/M17N:/fonts/ -- Gruß/Regards, Thomas Schraitle ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH (o< Maxfeldstrasse 5 /\\ Documentation Specialist 90409 Nuernberg, Germany _\_v http://www.suse.com http://lizards.opensuse.org/author/thomas-schraitle/ SUSE LINUX GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Hi,

On 08/27/2012 02:00 PM, Thomas Schraitle wrote:

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Hi Linda,

...

[...] I mean really, I have more fonts than my machines can keep track of, but I still look for great fonts... so the more fonts the better...

If you don't know, you may like the M17N:fonts repository. We have 126 font packages now. Find new fonts here:

https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=M17N%3Afonts http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/M17N:/fonts/

So why are not in Factory ?

What do you mean? The fonts are packaged for Factory and other distributions. And most of them (if not all) are also submitted to Factory. -- Gruß/Regards, Thomas Schraitle ---------------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH (o< Maxfeldstrasse 5 /\\ Documentation Specialist 90409 Nuernberg, Germany _\_v http://www.suse.com http://lizards.opensuse.org/author/thomas-schraitle/ SUSE LINUX GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 11:43:44AM +0200, pgajdos@suse.cz wrote:

also in factory. I use now croscore fonts and am satisfied with them.

Without infinality, forgot to add ;-). Petr

I don't know exactly what 'infinality fonts' term means, so this can be offtopic.

Infinality is a set of patches for the freetype rendering engine that enables/improves TTF and ClearType rendering with sub-pixel hinting; This set of patches (and configuration files) beat the fuck out of freetype-freeworld and you get font rendering which doesn't embarass Linux when compared to Windows and OSX. The issue is that most fonts traditionally shipped by openSUSE/SUSE (and other distros) don't really support to the full extent the capabilities of this patch set. If you use Microsoft Fonts or for example the Ubuntu Font Family, you will get amazing results... That's what it does :) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 11:22:14AM +0100, Nelson Marques wrote:

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Infinality is a set of patches for the freetype rendering engine that enables/improves TTF and ClearType rendering with sub-pixel hinting;

And intinality subpixel hinting algorithm in this patchset isn't patented until 2019? If yes, this is completely useless for me. http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/fontconfig/2012-June/004177.html http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/fontconfig/2012-June/004178.html Petr

Hi Nelson, On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Nelson Marques wrote:

http://infinality.net

Just install this two packages on this repo and relog... Then let us know if you see any improvement.

I have the two packages a try and the improvements are clearly visible. There's one note from me though, the default 'sans-serif' font seems to be a serif one and I can't find a way to correct it. I've attached an example from Firefox ( although I see it in system dialogs as well ) and my gnome 3 font configuration. Running 12.2 x86_64, Gnome 3 and freetype-infinality-2.4.9-1.1.x86_64 fontconfig-infinality-1-20120615.1.noarch Thanks, Robert

obs://home:ketheriel:infinality -- (I've undeleted it now, so it should take a few minutes to rebuild, and we can improve the spec file)...

2012/8/28 Nelson Marques :

...

...

I don't know exactly what 'infinality fonts' term means, so this can be offtopic.

Infinality is a set of patches for the freetype rendering engine that enables/improves TTF and ClearType rendering with sub-pixel hinting; This set of patches (and configuration files) beat the fuck out of freetype-freeworld and you get font rendering which doesn't embarass Linux when compared to Windows and OSX.

The issue is that most fonts traditionally shipped by openSUSE/SUSE (and other distros) don't really support to the full extent the capabilities of this patch set. If you use Microsoft Fonts or for example the Ubuntu Font Family, you will get amazing results...

That's what it does :)

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And 'anti-aliasing' should be RGB :) 2012/8/28 Nelson Marques :

You need to make sure that the fonts do support the hinting; like I said previously, the only ones I know that can take up to the full extent of this are the Microsoft fonts and the Ubuntu Font Family.

Most of the fonts around don't really support this to full extent. Try with a font that support it's it please and see if it helps :)

NM

2012/8/28 Robert Munteanu :

...

Hi Nelson,

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Nelson Marques wrote:

...

http://infinality.net

Just install this two packages on this repo and relog... Then let us know if you see any improvement.

I have the two packages a try and the improvements are clearly visible. There's one note from me though, the default 'sans-serif' font seems to be a serif one and I can't find a way to correct it.

I've attached an example from Firefox ( although I see it in system dialogs as well ) and my gnome 3 font configuration.

Running 12.2 x86_64, Gnome 3 and freetype-infinality-2.4.9-1.1.x86_64 fontconfig-infinality-1-20120615.1.noarch

Thanks,

Robert

...

obs://home:ketheriel:infinality -- (I've undeleted it now, so it should take a few minutes to rebuild, and we can improve the spec file)...

2012/8/28 Nelson Marques :

...

...

I don't know exactly what 'infinality fonts' term means, so this can be offtopic.

Infinality is a set of patches for the freetype rendering engine that enables/improves TTF and ClearType rendering with sub-pixel hinting; This set of patches (and configuration files) beat the fuck out of freetype-freeworld and you get font rendering which doesn't embarass Linux when compared to Windows and OSX.

The issue is that most fonts traditionally shipped by openSUSE/SUSE (and other distros) don't really support to the full extent the capabilities of this patch set. If you use Microsoft Fonts or for example the Ubuntu Font Family, you will get amazing results...

That's what it does :)

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On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 3:36 PM, Nelson Marques wrote:

By the way, if you want to do a quick test drive to Ubuntu Font Family and see how it looks, try this:

1. wget -c http://font.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu-font-family-0.80.zip && unzip ubuntu-font-family-0.80.zip 2. su -c "mkdir /usr/share/fonts/ubuntu-font-family" && cp ubuntu-font-family-0.80/*.ttf /usr/share/fonts/ubuntu-font-family 3. cd /usr/share/fonts/ubuntu-font-family && sudo mkfontdir && sudo mkfontscale

Then configure your system to use the ubuntu fonts and don't forget to change the aliasing to RGB; see how it looks :) You can pretty much do the same for the .ttf fonts fonts from Windows. Let us know of the achievements and if this changes or not the user experience...

Thanks for the pointer, I somehow assumed that the SourceSans fonts supported this. The ubuntu fonts look quite nice ; I could see an improvement already after logging in without switching to MS or Ubuntu fonts. Out of curiosity, is there a simple test to see if a font supports sub-pixel hinting? Robert

NM

2012/8/28 Nelson Marques :

...

And 'anti-aliasing' should be RGB :)

2012/8/28 Nelson Marques :

...

You need to make sure that the fonts do support the hinting; like I said previously, the only ones I know that can take up to the full extent of this are the Microsoft fonts and the Ubuntu Font Family.

Most of the fonts around don't really support this to full extent. Try with a font that support it's it please and see if it helps :)

NM

2012/8/28 Robert Munteanu :

...

Hi Nelson,

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Nelson Marques wrote:

...

http://infinality.net

Just install this two packages on this repo and relog... Then let us know if you see any improvement.

I have the two packages a try and the improvements are clearly visible. There's one note from me though, the default 'sans-serif' font seems to be a serif one and I can't find a way to correct it.

I've attached an example from Firefox ( although I see it in system dialogs as well ) and my gnome 3 font configuration.

Running 12.2 x86_64, Gnome 3 and freetype-infinality-2.4.9-1.1.x86_64 fontconfig-infinality-1-20120615.1.noarch

Thanks,

Robert

...

obs://home:ketheriel:infinality -- (I've undeleted it now, so it should take a few minutes to rebuild, and we can improve the spec file)...

2012/8/28 Nelson Marques :

...

> I don't know exactly what 'infinality fonts' term means, so this can > be offtopic.

Infinality is a set of patches for the freetype rendering engine that enables/improves TTF and ClearType rendering with sub-pixel hinting; This set of patches (and configuration files) beat the fuck out of freetype-freeworld and you get font rendering which doesn't embarass Linux when compared to Windows and OSX.

The issue is that most fonts traditionally shipped by openSUSE/SUSE (and other distros) don't really support to the full extent the capabilities of this patch set. If you use Microsoft Fonts or for example the Ubuntu Font Family, you will get amazing results...

That's what it does :)

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On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 8:42 PM, Robert Munteanu wrote:

Thanks for the pointer, I somehow assumed that the SourceSans fonts supported this.

Only truetype and cleartype fonts support hinting and kerning... .ttf/.otf suffix doesn't mean it's a true truetype font.... If you use the wrong font, and the hinting technology will make sans-serif look like serif since it cuts and blurs the font edges.

Out of curiosity, is there a simple test to see if a font supports sub-pixel hinting?

You can check it out with fontforge autohint command. but usually google search is much faster. by the way you can use fc-match -s sans-serif to see which font is used as sans-serif in your system. if there're missing characters in the first font, it will use the second font for the missing characters. We Chinese font tweakers use this technology to display english with a font and Chinese with another in fonts.conf. sometimes if you mess up your .fonts.conf. You may assign a serif font as the default sans-serif. Hope it helps Marguerite -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Richard (MQ) wrote:

On 28/08/12 11:22, Nelson Marques wrote:

...

http://infinality.net

Just install this two packages on this repo and relog... Then let us know if you see any improvement.

obs://home:ketheriel:infinality -- (I've undeleted it now, so it should take a few minutes to rebuild, and we can improve the spec file)...

I'd love to try this but

...

# zypper ar -c obs://home:ketheriel:infinality infinality Adding repository 'infinality' > ...[done] Can't find a valid repository at given location: [|] Repository type can't be determined. Could not determine the type of the repository. Please check if the defined URIs (see below) point to a valid repository:

http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/ketheriel:/infinality/openSU...

There seems to be nothing in the directory "/ketheriel:/infinality" - am I doing something wrong?

The repo isn't yet published I guess, try the links from OBS https://build.opensuse.org/package/binaries?package=fontconfig-infinality&project=home%3Aketheriel%3Ainfinality&repository=12.2 https://build.opensuse.org/package/binaries?package=freetype-infinality&project=home%3Aketheriel%3Ainfinality&repository=12.2 Robert

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I assume you have 'osc'... so you can always do something like: $ osc getbinaries home:ketheriel:infinality freetype-infinality x86_64 $ osc getbinaries home:ketheriel:infinality fontconfig-infinality x86_64 $ zypper install binaries/`ls *.rpm | grep -v devel` That should do the trick :) NM 2012/8/28 Richard (MQ) :

On 28/08/12 14:53, Robert Munteanu wrote:

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On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 4:47 PM, Richard (MQ) wrote:

...

On 28/08/12 11:22, Nelson Marques wrote:

...

http://infinality.net

Just install this two packages on this repo and relog... Then let us know if you see any improvement.

obs://home:ketheriel:infinality -- (I've undeleted it now, so it should take a few minutes to rebuild, and we can improve the spec file)...

....

...

...

...

http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/ketheriel:/infinality/openSU...

There seems to be nothing in the directory "/ketheriel:/infinality" - am I doing something wrong?

The repo isn't yet published I guess, try the links from OBS

https://build.opensuse.org/package/binaries?package=fontconfig-infinality&project=home%3Aketheriel%3Ainfinality&repository=12.2

https://build.opensuse.org/package/binaries?package=freetype-infinality&project=home%3Aketheriel%3Ainfinality&repository=12.2

Hmm, these pages suggest it was built a few hours ago, but the "Go to download repository" link takes me back to the link I gave above which is still empty.

I'll wait a while then try again...

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On Tue, 28 Aug 2012 14:47:56 +0100 "Richard (MQ)" wrote:

On 28/08/12 11:22, Nelson Marques wrote:

...

http://infinality.net

Just install this two packages on this repo and relog... Then let us know if you see any improvement.

obs://home:ketheriel:infinality -- (I've undeleted it now, so it should take a few minutes to rebuild, and we can improve the spec file)...

I'd love to try this but

...

# zypper ar -c obs://home:ketheriel:infinality infinality Adding repository 'infinality' > ...[done] Can't find a valid repository at given location: [|] Repository type can't be determined. Could not determine the type of the repository. Please check if the defined URIs (see below) point to a valid repository:

http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/ketheriel:/infinality/openSU...

There seems to be nothing in the directory "/ketheriel:/infinality" - am I doing something wrong? Hi They are there, just not published.... https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=home%3Aketheriel%3Ainfinalit...

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On 08/28/2012 04:16 PM, Nelson Marques wrote: I see the freetype rpm for 12.2, but it is not present for 12.1. Should it be? -- -- Roger Oberholtzer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

I've focused on 12.2 because that's what I use. It fails the build for 12.1 because of the recent Xorg package name changes, sure, it need a fix. When I have time or when someone submits it. This isn't really urgent until we find a way to go with this packages. NM 2012/8/31 Roger Oberholtzer :

On Thu, 2012-08-30 at 01:45 +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:

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On 08/28/2012 04:16 PM, Nelson Marques wrote:

I see the freetype rpm for 12.2, but it is not present for 12.1. Should it be?

No comment? Shouldn't there be a freetype RPM for 12.1 as there is for 12.2? It is not in OBS.

Yours sincerely,

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There is no need to mess with Xorg; From 12.1 to 12.2 Xorg RPM set has changed the name of a few packages, that's why the build fails, because of one of those packages. The fix is pretty much adding a conditional to the spec for the missing package, ex: %if 0%{?suse_version} >= 1220 BuildRequires: xorg-foobar %else BuildRequires: xorg-old-foobar %endif That would fix it (with the respective modifications for the package name); I'll take a look later, but I doubt this is going to be useful since I doubt this is going to be merged with openSUSE. NM 2012/9/3 Roger Oberholtzer :

On Mon, 2012-09-03 at 12:22 +0100, Nelson Marques wrote:

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I've focused on 12.2 because that's what I use. It fails the build for 12.1 because of the recent Xorg package name changes, sure, it need a fix. When I have time or when someone submits it. This isn't really urgent until we find a way to go with this packages.

Are the renamed packages available for 12.1 in the XOrg repository? Could that repo be added for the 12.1 build?

Yours sincerely,

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So, post some screenshots (100% and 400% zoom).

http://susepaste.org/56713227 http://susepaste.org/58296740 This ok ? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org