[opensuse-factory] Suggestions for openSUSE team regarding factory stability and TW as rolling distro
Dear all, There's an idea growing in my mind that was spawned by latest announcement from The Team and I'd like to share it with you. I'm just a user, and a novice to the oSS mailinglists at that so please excuse my ignorance on the subject. To start with full disclosure/background first: I'm a TW user and the reason I moved to it is specifically because I've read somewhere GKH is the maintainer. The only time I've used SuSE before that was in 2005, when oSS wasn't. Anyway, to the point: Since The Team expressed wish to move to improving the backbone and the goal of having functional factory, wouldn't it be a sensible idea introduce a monthly freeze? Have a frozen-factory where the packages wouldn't be updated for a month to allow bugfixing for the next month when the new refresh would be done. That is where TW would come in. Have a rolling distro that _is_ frozen-factory and is used by users and developers _and_ has the stability potential. Obviously here the new structure would need to be made and this is something you (oSS team) wants anyway. I'd like to contribute in any way possible to extent of my abilities. I'd really like to hear what you gentlemen have to say on the topic since I personally have no experience to the inner workings here but would _really_ like oSS to thrive. The quality as is is something that many strive for in the Linux community but few posses and oSS is one of them. Kind regards, Jason -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am 07.02.2014 18:41, schrieb Baron Kelvin:
Have a frozen-factory where the packages wouldn't be updated for a month to allow bugfixing for the next month when the new refresh would be done. That is where TW would come in. Have a rolling distro that _is_ frozen-factory and is used by users and developers _and_ has the stability potential.
Hi Jason, Thanks for your input. But we already do monthly freezes to release milestones. The problem we have is that while we freeze to get a milestone out, we have plenty of updates piling up. Those will make the next month a huge challenge and make factory unusable in between milestones. So I don't see how what you suggest would change anything for anyone. Greetings, Stpehan -- Ma muaß weiterkämpfen, kämpfen bis zum Umfalln, a wenn die ganze Welt an Arsch offen hat, oder grad deswegn. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2/8/14, Stephan Kulow
Am 07.02.2014 18:41, schrieb Baron Kelvin:
Have a frozen-factory where the packages wouldn't be updated for a month to allow bugfixing for the next month when the new refresh would be done. That is where TW would come in. Have a rolling distro that _is_ frozen-factory and is used by users and developers _and_ has the stability potential.
Hi Jason,
Thanks for your input. But we already do monthly freezes to release milestones. The problem we have is that while we freeze to get a milestone out, we have plenty of updates piling up. Those will make the next month a huge challenge and make factory unusable in between milestones. So I don't see how what you suggest would change anything for anyone.
Greetings, Stpehan
Hi Mr Stephan, Thank you for your quick reply! While your answer reads quite definitive, I hope you don't mind allowing me to flex and exercise this 'idea' further. I went to Factory wiki page to understand better the development cycle, and while the info is pretty scarce,this is what I gather: Factory that 'can be in any state and is a moving target' and the snapshots which are to be released once a month. Same as you said. I further went to download the snapshot as directed but was greeted with its unavailability. I then double checked wikipedia.org article on opensuse and it tells me that 13.1 was released on Nov 19, which puts it at around three months since today? Nevertheless, it was holiday time so it is definitely understandable. Since you highlight the problem to be specifically the monthly freeze it could still be better to place Tumbleweed in the 'line of fire' of Factory that 'can be in any state and is a moving target' and leave development milestone, now TW monthly snapshot //like Debian Sid// Throw everything in Factory, but have TW pick it up a week or few later. This could benefit everyone, users and developers because: * it would help bring you the stability the team strives for; * user coverage would increase; * it would get more hands on from community; * currently unavailable development snapshot, Factory and (available) tw have similar nature and that is one of a rolling distro; * the effort put in both is in doubled since there are two groups working in a similar nature * having Greg K-H involved is on its own very much welcome. This would obviously require creating a proper 'manifest' and adjust the structure accordingly. There is probably more but I'm the uninitiated here and surely other, experienced members could chip in on the subject. Again, thank you for taking time to consider my input and giving me a reply. My personal wish is to see openSUSE growing beyond its boundaries because it deserves so. The quality and sleekness of the distribution is there thanks to all of you making it possible and it should be leveraged further. Kind regards, Jason
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